Topper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Both men and woman wear Graments, the so called Holy Underwear. Garments and Temple rituals are something that most Mormons find to sacred too talk about. Boshenia, You Live down in The 4 corners area? I love that part of the country. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I grew up Mormon, and some of those people are great individuals. However, as an organized religion, it sucks as bad as the rest of them. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I grew up Mormon, and some of those people are great individuals. However, as an organized religion, it sucks as bad as the rest of them Westernxer, You Might be able to give us some insight in to the LDS Chruch and it's people. It would be good to get a view from someone who has been on the inside? By the way did you do a Mission? Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 By the way did you do a Mission? Sí, in Argentina. Only thing left for me was marriage, but at that point I had enough of community-based peer pressure. Graduated from Brigham Young University, too. I have no Utah polygamist roots. My mother's family was converted in Samoa. My father's grandparents were converts from Vermont and Minnesota, I believe. Krakauer's book is about the extremist elements of Mormon society, not the boring, mainstream members who raise families and root for fellow Mormon athletes like Steve Young and Danny Ainge. The vocalist for Killers is Mormon, believe it or not. So is the guitarist for Nine Inch Nails. I should know, I used to babysit him. Napoleon Dynamite is about Mormons in Preston, Idaho, even though it doesn't refer to their religion explicitly. (Gosh!) Southeastern Idaho is predominantly Mormon. South Park's Mormon episode summarizes the religion quite effectively... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_About_Mormons It's used to be on YouTube, but not anymore. The religion may sound silly, but so does much of the Bible. Still, I love the ritual aspect of religion. From a distance, of course. Link to post Share on other sites
michelangelo Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 My wife's family is LDS. Her parents wore the temple undies all the time and said it protected them from evil. You could not even get a pair of the darn things until you passed muster in the church and were deemed worthy of getting sealed in the temple. I personally thing it is a lot of silliness. But they saw it as a badge of honor because it meant they were destined for the celestial kingdom and my father in law would get to rule a planet. They would never bring up the subject, i found this stuff out by pumping them for it. As much as what they believe is a bunch of whoeee, IMHO, if there is ever a disaster in town, find a mormon, they'll help you out. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 She says she is NEVER allowed to take them off! Ever. When she takes one pair off she slips them down one leg while she is slipping the new pair on the other. She even has to bathe with them touching her... A true "Molly Mormon". The male version is "Peter Priesthood". Cool Mormons (the ones who allow you to play with their children) don't like associating with those people. They even drink Coke and Pepsi, but not coffee. Link to post Share on other sites
boshemia Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Never coke or Pepsi, but they drink Dr. Pepper Warm???? And I forgot all about that, they come prepared for natural disasters like no one else. During the Y2K scare my ex's Mormon family stocked everyone up on some of their home canned food. It's not home canned as in jars, it all actually come in what looked like unlabeled coffee cans. After it was all over, every sent their surplus my way. We had sugar, oats, dried milk (We didn't have to buy formula for six months) and their potatoes. I don't know what is differed about those dried potatoes but they come in little pellets, and you add just a few spoonfuls to a whole pot of water. I've never had any other like them, they taste just like fresh made mashed potatoes... I guess it's the lack of preservatives. Man they were good. I guess they have their own packing facilities or something... good stuff! Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 I guess they have their own packing facilities or something... They do. LOL Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 The story in the Book of Mormom seems so...farfetched... It's no more "far fetched" than the bull-krap in the Torah, Bible and Koran. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Not only do they own their own Packing Plants. They also have their own farms, ranches, and grain elevators. the Largest Cattle Ranch in Fla Is owned by the LDS Chruch. All this goes to What is called the Bishops store houses. Hugh warehouses stocked with food clothing and whatever else you would need for the end times. Link to post Share on other sites
Author norajane Posted March 3, 2007 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 They also own some media, as I just discovered via Wikipedia - newspapers and radio stations in many markets...one of my friends works for a radio station owned by the LDS Church - I wonder if he knows they are the owners. Link to post Share on other sites
michelangelo Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 It's no more "far fetched" than the bull-krap in the Torah, Bible and Koran. Except the Torah describes historical events that are documented in sources other than the Hebrew Bible. Places and names are verifiable and traceable. The book of Mormon? Not even. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 The book of Mormon? Not even. It's about the Western Hemisphere. Mormons take it seriously, moreso than the Bible. Other than that, I couldn't care less. Read it enough times during the mission phase to regurgitate it in my sleep. Now it's just a point of reference that I can vaguely recall. Link to post Share on other sites
CardPlay3r Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Wow, unreal some of the things I've seen on this thread. Really sad when a religion brainwashes to the extent of denying individuality and making women be doormats. I don't want to know what goes on behind closed doors when they "disobey" Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 That's the book I'm reading! I picked it up at the airport the other day because I liked Krakauer's "Into Thin Air"... I really liked Into Thin Air too. I just ordered Under the Blanket of Heaven off ebay after reading the recommendations. Religion fascinates and repels me for so many reasons. Link to post Share on other sites
michelangelo Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 It's about the Western Hemisphere. Mormons take it seriously, moreso than the Bible. Other than that, I couldn't care less. Read it enough times during the mission phase to regurgitate it in my sleep. Now it's just a point of reference that I can vaguely recall. That's just it, it purports to be of the western hemisphere and there is no physical evidence of what is said to have occurred. No dna evidence in the local populations that relate back to Israelites, no archaeological evidence, nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 That's just it, it purports to be of the western hemisphere and there is no physical evidence of what is said to have occurred. No dna evidence in the local populations that relate back to Israelites, no archaeological evidence, nothing. Faith does not require evidence or logic. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Faith does not require evidence or logic. its funny how IRL most people are very distrustful of others but when it comes to God and spirituality they'll believe almost anything... Link to post Share on other sites
Author norajane Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 That's just it, it purports to be of the western hemisphere and there is no physical evidence of what is said to have occurred. No dna evidence in the local populations that relate back to Israelites, no archaeological evidence, nothing. And they believe the Garden of Eden was really in Jackson County, Missouri. Maybe that's part of the religion's appeal - it brings it all much closer to home than Jerusalem. Link to post Share on other sites
michelangelo Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Faith does not require evidence or logic. Oh, I won't argue that point, that is true. I also know that Mormons are taught to ignore logic and intellectual argumentation in favor of what they feel. What I was attempting to point out is that the things that occur in the Hebrew Bible, purporting to be a spiritual accounting of the Israelites can be verified by archaeological, historical, and biological methods. The events described in the Book of Mormon cannot be verified. Whether someone believes a religion is true ultimately is a matter of faith. Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 What I was attempting to point out is that the things that occur in the Hebrew Bible, purporting to be a spiritual accounting of the Israelites can be verified by archaeological, historical, and biological methods. The events described in the Book of Mormon cannot be verified. I agree with you. Amazing how Mormons were able to convert so many people. Personally, I think the Book of Mormon is a joke, but it's what makes Mormons who they are... shiny, happy people holding hands, even if their happiness is based on a false premise. Some of those Utah chicks are hot, too. But I'm not falling for it. Most of my family is very active in church. I'm a pariah, so I keep my distance most of the time. My immediate family doesn't give me stick about it, even though my mother likes to break my balls (like most mothers). LOL Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Some of those Utah chicks are hot, too. But I'm not falling for it. but WEST....just think, you could marry 5 or 6 of those underage hotties and live in bliss in a small trailer home forever Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I first moved to Utah in 1995. I lived in a rural area about an hour outside of Salt lake City. About a 1/4 mile from my cabin was a compound with 5 homes all the same, all looking like a small army barracks. it was a Polygamist compound. I was later told that they were related to the Singer Polygamist group. The Singers were involved in the bobing of a Church. That lead to being involved standoff and a shootout with local police and the FBI. This was back around 1984. Scary things happen when you mix God Gun and Money. Link to post Share on other sites
Author norajane Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 I first moved to Utah in 1995. I lived in a rural area about an hour outside of Salt lake City. About a 1/4 mile from my cabin was a compound with 5 homes all the same, all looking like a small army barracks. it was a Polygamist compound. I was later told that they were related to the Singer Polygamist group. The Singers were involved in the bobing of a Church. That lead to being involved standoff and a shootout with local police and the FBI. This was back around 1984. Scary things happen when you mix God Gun and Money. That's one of the unfortunate things about the Fundamentalist Mormons...they truly believe that God is their only authority and they are in no way bound to follow the laws of the United States. That and the whole blood retribution thing being okey dokey with God. And the pedophiliac way they practice polygamy. Ugh, but Fundies of any religious stripe are scary... Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Norajane, i need to go back and reread Under the Banner of Heaven. Your right the most deadly people in the World are the " true believers. " It really doesn't matter if they are Christian, Muslim, Communist or Nazi i have another book you may like . might be hard to find but well worth a read. It is Blood of the Prophets by Will Bagley. Link to post Share on other sites
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