Lost my faith, might find it again...but might not

[Island Girl]

What other god died for you?

What god claimed you worthy of dieing for?

 

To be "factual" - as you yourself have posted before - God did not die for anyone. Nor did God claim man worthy of dying for.

 

That was, according to the bible, Jesus - God's son.

 

That said, I would have to first believe in God and the bible to make that next great leap of belief that a deity or son thereof died for me.

 

 

Again - you are using the bible to prove the bible is true. It is a dead argument.

 

If you are going to actually pose something inspiring discussion and real thought then by all means post away. But just posting biblical verse as if it on its own proves itself true is just ridiculous.

 

I could quote passages from Flowers In The Attic but that doesn't mean that there was actually a very wealthy grandmother who locked her 4 grandchildren in an attic and systematically fed them arsenic laced sugar cookies.

"But it is written!"

[amerikajin]

What other god died for you?

What god claimed you worthy of dieing for?

 

There is no way to communicate with people like you.

 

This is typical of Christianity and Islam, I'm afraid. In both religions, true faith means a lack of education; a lack of logic. I have always felt that this is the exact opposite of what God would want - considering he gave us enormous intellectual capacity to think on our own.

[Love Hurts]

To be "factual" - as you yourself have posted before - God did not die for anyone. Nor did God claim man worthy of dying for.

 

That was, according to the bible, Jesus - God's son.

 

That said, I would have to first believe in God and the bible to make that next great leap of belief that a deity or son thereof died for me.

 

 

Again - you are using the bible to prove the bible is true. It is a dead argument.

 

If you are going to actually pose something inspiring discussion and real thought then by all means post away. But just posting biblical verse as if it on its own proves itself true is just ridiculous.

 

I could quote passages from Flowers In The Attic but that doesn't mean that there was actually a very wealthy grandmother who locked her 4 grandchildren in an attic and systematically fed them arsenic laced sugar cookies.

"But it is written!"

 

Actually my friend God and His word are not dead.

But instead its you who are dead; you who denounce Him and His word…

He has a name for you; The Spiritually Dead.

 

Better known as; Dead Man Walking.

Wake up my friend.

[Love Hurts]

There is no way to communicate with people like you.

 

This is typical of Christianity and Islam, I'm afraid. In both religions, true faith means a lack of education; a lack of logic. I have always felt that this is the exact opposite of what God would want - considering he gave us enormous intellectual capacity to think on our own.

Your intellect is too great for the word of God.

[Island Girl]

Actually my friend God and His word are not dead.

But instead its you who are dead; you who denounce Him and His word…

 

I said it was a dead argument.

 

Did you fail reading comprehension?

 

And how come you never answer my questions of whether you are freely moving about or behind walls somewhere?

 

 

I've said it before - you remind me of the mother in Carrie. The religious zealot who made her daughter into a freak, remember?

When I read your posts it is her voice in my head, with your words, in the ranting and raving tone she had before she burned up.

[pricillia]

I said it was a dead argument.

 

Did you fail reading comprehension?

 

And how come you never answer my questions of whether you are freely moving about or behind walls somewhere?

 

 

I've said it before - you remind me of the mother in Carrie. The religious zealot who made her daughter into a freak, remember?

When I read your posts it is her voice in my head, with your words, in the ranting and raving tone she had before she burned up.

 

 

Yes, sometimes I worry about LH, thinking that anyone who does not have the same personal relationship with God that she does that there is soemthing wrong with that.

 

LH Island Girl has her own opinion how does that make her a "dead man walking"

 

and if you please talk to me without the scriptures I can relate beter that way.

[bluetuesday]

Actually my friend God and His word are not dead.

But instead its you who are dead; you who denounce Him and His word…

He has a name for you; The Spiritually Dead.

 

Better known as; Dead Man Walking.

Wake up my friend.

 

i'm astonished you think it's acceptable to be this judgmental, LH. be careful not to overlook the beam in your own eye while you're inspecting everyone else's eyes for motes. you have been instructed by jesus to love and never to judge. the way of god is love, not fear. if you were able to take an impartial look at your posts i think you would see that they are often filled with fear. 'if you do this you'll go to hell. if you don't think that you'll go to hell. god punishes sinners' etc etc etc.

 

please stop speaking like this, for your own good as well as other people's. if you want to live in fear of hell and think god is an angry, vengeful being, good for you. you're wrong, but you have every right to be if you want. seriously, you risk turning people off christianity with this incessant fearmongering. some of the people here might benefit from coming closer to a loving god, but you are speaking as if god is something to be feared. i'm afraid it comes across as if there is very little love in your posts - only judgment about what everyone else is doing wrong. i don't condemn you for it, but if you know god you should know better.

 

i know you think you are doing it for their own good, but actually it appears that you are placing people on a scale of being less worthy than you are. you even said in another post that you wonder who is saved and who isn't. why is this your concern? while you look at people to categorise them into 'saved' and 'damned' you are not seeing them as god sees them. the message of jesus is one of love. if you're speaking on behalf of jesus, you should be preaching it.

[Moai]

Interesting thread so far.

 

There are a few things I'd like to add:

 

First, quoting passages from the Bible to prove that the Bible is true in nonsensical. So is repeating the tenets of the belief itself. Mentioning that Christianity is the only religion that suggests deity sacrifice is meaningless. All religions have beliefs unique to them, and that is not indicative of their truth in any way. Vishnu is the only blue, multi-armed diety I am aware of, but that doesn't make him real.

 

Second, the Jesus story so closely parallels Mithraism that they are basically the same. Also, many of the important dogmatic beliefs come from the Horus myth from ancient Egypt. Claiming originality in Christianity is a red herring.

 

Third, while I appreciate the benevolence and compassion most Christians ascribe to their faith, that belief is not scriptural. God actually IS wrathful, vengeful, etc. In Numbers 31, God commands the Hebrews to kill all of the men, women and children of the Midianites. The only children to be spared are virgin girls, who are to be taken as sex slaves, for all intents and purposes, by said Hebrews.

 

This is the same god who sent his son Jesus. Many believers try to separate the god of the Old Testament from what happens in the new, but they do so in vain. The god is the same. And he is not a very nice guy. In Numbers 25 God rewards Phinehas and his sons with priesthood forever because they impaled and interracial couple.

 

Ask yourself how you would feel toward a person who did such things. Wouldn't you demand their punishment? We do not encourage our military to exterminate everything and take maidens as slaves. Why not?

 

Jesus was not the loving "godman" he is made out to be by many believers--mainly because they haven't read their own book. Luke 3:17 clearly says that the damned will burn. In Luke 19:22-27 Jesus commands his followers to round up unbelievers and kill them in front of him. Also, there are more commandments than just the Ten, and if you don't follow every single one of them, you go to Hell. That's in Matthew 5:17-19.

 

There is not one single scripture that says Jesus came to let us off the hook from any commandments, or the wrath of god. Not one.

 

I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that all one need do is read the Bible for him- or herself and decide if it is a book that contains morality worth following. Human morality has changed (and improved) over time, but the book remains the same. Apologists try and try to wedge it into a modern moral framework, but they fail. How is it that the Bible has been used for centuries to oppress and torture people, and now it is a book of love? Those people read the same book, and believed it just as earnestly.

 

The answer is that secular ideas of morality were shown to be more humane and beneficial, and so were adapted IN SPITE OF what the Bible says, not because of it.

 

So, while I truly admire the sense of compassion expressed by many on this thread, Love Hurts is right: God is going to burn you up and you will gnash your teeth forever unless you accept his book. You are supposed to fear him.

 

I find it interesting that not one religion has anything positive to say about intelligence. Gee, I wonder why that is?

[lonelybird]

There is no way to communicate with people like you.

 

This is typical of Christianity and Islam, I'm afraid. In both religions, true faith means a lack of education; a lack of logic. I have always felt that this is the exact opposite of what God would want - considering he gave us enormous intellectual capacity to think on our own.

IF your intellectual capacity doesn't make you think you are better than "people who lack of education", then it is good thing . because God hates pride. and God protect poor and needy people, protect orphans...

Actually your intellectual capacity can serve other people

[lonelybird]

To be "factual" - as you yourself have posted before - God did not die for anyone. Nor did God claim man worthy of dying for.

 

That was, according to the bible, Jesus - God's son.

 

That said, I would have to first believe in God and the bible to make that next great leap of belief that a deity or son thereof died for me.

 

 

Again - you are using the bible to prove the bible is true. It is a dead argument.

 

If you are going to actually pose something inspiring discussion and real thought then by all means post away. But just posting biblical verse as if it on its own proves itself true is just ridiculous.

 

I could quote passages from Flowers In The Attic but that doesn't mean that there was actually a very wealthy grandmother who locked her 4 grandchildren in an attic and systematically fed them arsenic laced sugar cookies.

"But it is written!"

Did you watch movie The Passion of The Christ? IF this cannot move you, what will move you?

Actually Biblical verses are living, they can work to awaken your soul, well, if your soul were not wrapped by lies so thick that cannot penetrate...

[lonelybird]

I said it was a dead argument.

 

Did you fail reading comprehension?

 

And how come you never answer my questions of whether you are freely moving about or behind walls somewhere?

 

 

I've said it before - you remind me of the mother in Carrie. The religious zealot who made her daughter into a freak, remember?

When I read your posts it is her voice in my head, with your words, in the ranting and raving tone she had before she burned up.

Fear is working in you, and Fear does not come from God. but true LOVE cast out fear

[pricillia]

IF your intellectual capacity doesn't make you think you are better than "people who lack of education", then it is good thing . because God hates pride. and God protect poor and needy people, protect orphans...

Actually your intellectual capacity can serve other people

 

 

but there is some truth to be said for very religious beings vs spritual that spritual or people who choose science as thier way are more educated which make them rationaly think things out all the while being loving and compassionate without all the fear talk.

 

You can be proud and have pride and still be a good person there is nothing wrong with that, also it seems to me that when one is so intertwined in the bible so much so that they quote from the book instead of speaking from the heart it is as if that person is either brainwashed or is covering up a pain that needs to be delt with.

 

Like that person is hiding from all normal human interaction because there is a lack of control in that persons life.

 

Trying to convince others that if they do not follow the word of God the way that that person belives it to be then they will be judged and can not be saved.

 

There are many people who have thier own relationship with religion or not, but god accepts all reguardless of the degree that they choose to believe.

 

I think that there is a control issue when it comes to this subject for some.

[pricillia]

Fear is working in you, and Fear does not come from God. but true LOVE cast out fear

 

 

no fear is working in you...

[Island Girl]

Your intellect is too great for the word of God.

 

This is an entire post - NOT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT IN ANY WAY

 

 

ACCORDING TO LOVE_HURTS (who seems to be the end all be all of religious knowledge)

 

 

Apparently intelligent people have too great of an intellect for the word of god.

 

Only those lacking in intelligence can grasp it.

 

 

So smarties there is no room in heaven for you!

 

Uh oh. I think I am one of the 'cursed' intelligent ones. *sigh*

[pricillia]

This is an entire post - NOT TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT IN ANY WAY

 

 

ACCORDING TO LOVE_HURTS (who seems to be the end all be all of religious knowledge)

 

 

Apparently intelligent people have too great of an intellect for the word of god.

 

Only those lacking in intelligence can grasp it.

 

 

So smarties there is no room in heaven for you!

 

Uh oh. I think I am one of the 'cursed' intelligent ones. *sigh*

 

 

I am sighing along with you IG

[lonelybird]

the way of god is love, not fear. if you were able to take an impartial look at your posts i think you would see that they are often filled with fear. 'if you do this you'll go to hell. if you don't think that you'll go to hell. god punishes sinners' etc etc etc.

Be honestly, that was what I thought, fear, but when I reread LH posts, big surprise, whole new different light shine in. I don't think I can be that patient and loving like her to lift up a sister's spirit so tirelessly.

 

what can I say? tough love, tough love

 

Praise Jesus, you love us and died for us, we live for you now, what a joy!!! They don't understand, but it's ok, they will. Lord, please open their eyes and ears, they are on the road now.

Thank you God

[lonelybird]

Interesting thread so far.

 

There are a few things I'd like to add:

 

First, quoting passages from the Bible to prove that the Bible is true in nonsensical. So is repeating the tenets of the belief itself. Mentioning that Christianity is the only religion that suggests deity sacrifice is meaningless. All religions have beliefs unique to them, and that is not indicative of their truth in any way. Vishnu is the only blue, multi-armed diety I am aware of, but that doesn't make him real.

 

Second, the Jesus story so closely parallels Mithraism that they are basically the same. Also, many of the important dogmatic beliefs come from the Horus myth from ancient Egypt. Claiming originality in Christianity is a red herring.

 

Third, while I appreciate the benevolence and compassion most Christians ascribe to their faith, that belief is not scriptural. God actually IS wrathful, vengeful, etc. In Numbers 31, God commands the Hebrews to kill all of the men, women and children of the Midianites. The only children to be spared are virgin girls, who are to be taken as sex slaves, for all intents and purposes, by said Hebrews.

 

This is the same god who sent his son Jesus. Many believers try to separate the god of the Old Testament from what happens in the new, but they do so in vain. The god is the same. And he is not a very nice guy. In Numbers 25 God rewards Phinehas and his sons with priesthood forever because they impaled and interracial couple.

 

Ask yourself how you would feel toward a person who did such things. Wouldn't you demand their punishment? We do not encourage our military to exterminate everything and take maidens as slaves. Why not?

 

Jesus was not the loving "godman" he is made out to be by many believers--mainly because they haven't read their own book. Luke 3:17 clearly says that the damned will burn. In Luke 19:22-27 Jesus commands his followers to round up unbelievers and kill them in front of him. Also, there are more commandments than just the Ten, and if you don't follow every single one of them, you go to Hell. That's in Matthew 5:17-19.

 

There is not one single scripture that says Jesus came to let us off the hook from any commandments, or the wrath of god. Not one.

 

I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that all one need do is read the Bible for him- or herself and decide if it is a book that contains morality worth following. Human morality has changed (and improved) over time, but the book remains the same. Apologists try and try to wedge it into a modern moral framework, but they fail. How is it that the Bible has been used for centuries to oppress and torture people, and now it is a book of love? Those people read the same book, and believed it just as earnestly.

 

The answer is that secular ideas of morality were shown to be more humane and beneficial, and so were adapted IN SPITE OF what the Bible says, not because of it.

 

So, while I truly admire the sense of compassion expressed by many on this thread, Love Hurts is right: God is going to burn you up and you will gnash your teeth forever unless you accept his book. You are supposed to fear him.

 

I find it interesting that not one religion has anything positive to say about intelligence. Gee, I wonder why that is?

Because intelligence easily produce pride. are you pride? are you humble? doesn't seem so

 

Actually Old Testament and New Testament describe same God. Like I said before, Bible is like a mirror. Meek humble sheep reflect out Love of God, but wrong doer and rebellion goat reflect out anger of God. why God angry? He wants people to treat people right and with love, He wants people to be humble, when people did things wrong or oppress other people, God would angry. Why did you pick out the anger part from Bible? I thought God try to protect meek sheep from wolf:p

[Island Girl]

Praise Jesus, you love us and died for us, we live for you now, what a joy!!! They don't understand, but it's ok, they will. Lord, please open their eyes and ears, they are on the road now.

 

lonelybird I am further down that road than you are.

 

I hope you continue on with the journey instead of stopping to splash in the mud puddles and lounge in the shade.

[lonelybird]

lonelybird I am further down that road than you are.

 

I hope you continue on with the journey instead of stopping to splash in the mud puddles and lounge in the shade.

FINE. happy and enjoy your journey.

am I in a wrong forum not "religion?" I should check it again

[Island Girl]

FINE. happy and enjoy your journey.

am I in a wrong forum not "religion?" I should check it again

 

Easily lost I see.

 

You mentioned the road.

 

I quoted it and let you know that I am further down that supposed road we are all on -- further down that road than you are.

 

The road being the metaphysical one - that YOU brought up.

 

*sigh*

[lonelybird]

Easily lost I see.

 

You mentioned the road.

 

I quoted it and let you know that I am further down that supposed road we are all on -- further down that road than you are.

 

The road being the metaphysical one - that YOU brought up.

 

*sigh*

*sigh*......

[Love Hurts]

Yes, sometimes I worry about LH, thinking that anyone who does not have the same personal relationship with God that she does that there is soemthing wrong with that.

 

LH Island Girl has her own opinion how does that make her a "dead man walking"

 

and if you please talk to me without the scriptures I can relate beter that way.

 

When we claim Christ as our Lord and Savior we are filled with the Holy Spirit.

Those that hunger and thirst for righteousness; are filled with His living spirit.

 

This is another reason we know Christ lives... you know when He is in your heart… Your heart is the driver. Not the mind…

We can sleep mentally; but still He is in our heart.

He is a love you can’t get from anyone or anything on earth.

 

There are levels of the Holy Spirit in people that are still unsaved. It has to be or who could get saved?

 

There is a diff in His Spirit of Christ once Saved…. Each gets a portion of the Holy Spirit some more than others upon Salvation itself… Once Saved we are all sealed…

 

The more we seek Christ in our walk of Faith the Holy Spirit increases in us, as we study to show ourselves approved and through prayer. Above all Oh for Faith to trust Him more…

 

We are ever growing in Him… its never ending…

Any unsaved can walk into a spirit filled church and feel the spirit of God, they too may partake of more-of- through claiming Jesus as Lord. Likewise we can walk into the den of iniquity and feel the presence of evil spirits.

 

[This is if your conscience is working…. Some people never pay attention to it and it seems to be broken] …so we can feel the spirits… Holy or evil.

 

The best description I can give of the Holy Spirit is my personal experience; as unsaved and seeking God… I had not made that step to Him. There were times I could describe the Holy Spirit like a blanket or a cloak that covers you.

 

The diff is… Upon Salvation … The Holy Spirit extraordinarily moved inside and magnified itself, I saw things with new eyes. I was as scripture says born again… there is a diff.

 

Christ tells us many have no heart for Him. They lack His Holy Spirit… He calls them Dead… Spiritually Dead.

__________________________________________

 

You did not want scripture but I added two so you can see what He says. Its easy to read and understand.

 

Ephesians 4:30 Don’t grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

 

[The day of redemption is the day you are saved; we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit through Sin…Sealed He Has Claimed Us As His Own For Eternity..

(a promise we are His)]

 

Ok in Matthew 22:32

I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

See on earth we have the living some are the living dead; some are the living in Christ.

 

To consider the living dead, they lack; heart or mind for Christ, for His word His truth and righteousness…lastly they lack His Spirit.

[Many are more than lacking many are worshippers of evil. And that’s whole new page. ]

 

And the phrase Dead Man Walking; is slang

for the living dead… [it’s the same diff]

 

God Bless*

[Love Hurts]

To be "factual" - as you yourself have posted before - God did not die for anyone. Nor did God claim man worthy of dying for.

 

That was, according to the bible, Jesus - God's son.

 

That said, I would have to first believe in God and the bible to make that next great leap of belief that a deity or son thereof died for me.

 

 

Again - you are using the bible to prove the bible is true. It is a dead argument.

 

If you are going to actually pose something inspiring discussion and real thought then by all means post away. But just posting biblical verse as if it on its own proves itself true is just ridiculous.

 

I could quote passages from Flowers In The Attic but that doesn't mean that there was actually a very wealthy grandmother who locked her 4 grandchildren in an attic and systematically fed them arsenic laced sugar cookies.

"But it is written!"

 

I said it was a dead argument. Did you fail reading comprehension?

To be "factual" - as you yourself have posted before - God did not die for anyone. Nor did God claim man worthy of dying for.

That was, according to the bible, Jesus - God's son.

That said, I would have to first believe in God and the bible to make that next great leap of belief that a deity or son thereof died for me.

Again - you are using the bible to prove the bible is true. It is a dead argument.

______________________________________________

 

Those are all your words...spiritually dead my friend … If you had a heart for Christ in the slightest you would not speak like this.

[Island Girl]

Point blank I am asking you these questions:

 

Do you believe that the bible is the word of god?

 

Do you accept that the bible is true?

 

----

 

As for the other one's I have asked you a couple of times on this thread and others over the last few months - it's alright. You don't have to answer.

 

It must be difficult to be locked away from society. You must fear stigma.

 

But don't worry - your secret is safe with me.

[Love Hurts]

Actually one of Gods gifts of our family line is of beauty and youth.

I pray I do not take His gifts for granted; and destroy what He has given.

So no. Praise Jesus I do not feel the need to hide of hiding behind walls.

I choose not to exploit myself ...thats the diff.

 

See you look at the life through worldly eyes… I don’t … I did… I no longer do.

You can’t fathom that there is nothing in this life; that is greater than Christ. Outward appearance is a gift but you know where the gold is?

Its what flows from the inside outwardly? It’s a beautiful person inside that is attractive.

The most beautiful person can open their mouth and their words smell like a garbage-can. Its not appealing to see who’s inside.

 

As we are all sinners saved by grace and we grow and or fall back and get up again. We strive to be more for Christ. He alone is Holy...He alone is righteous. I am faarrrr from perfection; but the good news is… I have eternity to strive for perfect in the Lord… a never-ending quest.

 

In the end ... You know the cliché… birds of a feather flock together.

Like minded and like hearted people are attracted to one another.

 

See this goes into the spiritual realm; as those walking in light are attracted to one another and those walking in darkness are attracted to one another. Life is more than what we see with the naked eye. There is a world within a world that we exist in.

 

 

[:love:lol..funny movie part of your post]