Evolution of Humans

[lonelybird]

Yes that TV show changed my whole life. I now Know that Neanderthals were just a bunch of misunderstood teenage mutants. I can't wait to be enlightened by Love Hurts on how the Devil was also ahead of God on this. That pesky devil how does he getaway with leading all those scientist a stay?

OK I'm out of here. Got to go down to the Natural history Museum for a prayer vigil.

So one single TV show changed your opinion so quickly?

[lonelybird]

Lonely bird is OK she seems to have a good heart and even if I do give her a hard time I still respect her right to believe as she does.

now on the Other hand Lovehurts is just asking for it. By the way have not seen LH post lately, whats up with that.

Maybe the devil broke the computer?

Thank you, topper

I miss LH too

[Topper]

So one single TV show changed your opinion so quickly?

 

You do know that I was being sarcastic don't you?

I find it very odd that many fundamentalist Christan's find in necessary to tell lies in the name of God.

If there is a judgment day then those that spread falsehood in the name of God will have some explaining to do.

[Moai]

You do know that I was being sarcastic don't you?

I find it very odd that many fundamentalist Christan's find in necessary to tell lies in the name of God.

If there is a judgment day then those that spread falsehood in the name of God will have some explaining to do.

 

Here here! I too find it odd that God needs people to lie for Him. One Creationist wrote that if lying leads even one person to the Lord, than it was a good thing. Ah, the end justifies the means. Jesus said the opposite. Go figure.

[lonelybird]

You do know that I was being sarcastic don't you?

I find it very odd that many fundamentalist Christan's find in necessary to tell lies in the name of God.

If there is a judgment day then those that spread falsehood in the name of God will have some explaining to do.

You don't have courage and gut, but Love Hurts has....

[lonelybird]

Here here! I too find it odd that God needs people to lie for Him. One Creationist wrote that if lying leads even one person to the Lord, than it was a good thing. Ah, the end justifies the means. Jesus said the opposite. Go figure.

when would you come out of the bondage of people's opinions? people's opinion has anything to do with YOUR relationship with God?

people say this, people say that, ok, ok...everybody is right EXCEPT God????

[Gunny376]

Do you really want to know?

 

http://www.sitchin.com/

[sb129]

Here here! I too find it odd that God needs people to lie for Him. One Creationist wrote that if lying leads even one person to the Lord, than it was a good thing. Ah, the end justifies the means. Jesus said the opposite. Go figure.

 

The Bible is FULL of contradictions.

 

You don't have courage and gut, but Love Hurts has....

LonelyBird that was uncalled for.

 

when would you come out of the bondage of people's opinions? people's opinion has anything to do with YOUR relationship with God?

people say this, people say that, ok, ok...everybody is right EXCEPT God????

I don't believe God because he has never personally spoken to me, and I doubt he will because he doesn't exist.

The "opinions" you talk about LB are scientific facts that have been proven in a logical manner.

 

If you can prove to me that God exists without using a SINGLE reference to the Bible, I am all ears.

These other issues (evolution) I have seen with my own eyes, so I am leaning towards believing those.

[Moai]

when would you come out of the bondage of people's opinions? people's opinion has anything to do with YOUR relationship with God?

people say this, people say that, ok, ok...everybody is right EXCEPT God????

 

Yet again, "huh"?

 

I have no relationship with things that do not exist, save YOUR mind.

 

The point I made is that a Creationist--a Holy Spirit-filled believer like you--said that if you lie to someone to save them, that is ok.

 

Jesus said very clearly that the end NEVER justifies the means. EVER. That is Jesus's opinion. I am just repeating it.

 

Moreover, I do not accept very many things based on someone's opinion. They have evidence, or they do not. Opinion about most things means little--in science it means virtually nothing.

 

Let's take biology. I cannot devote the time to the study of biology that most scientists in the field can. I have to earn a living, for one thing.

 

But, I WOULD take someone's opinion who makes a living in biology ahead of mine. Why? Because his ideas are undergoing CONSTANT peer review. Everything he asserts is under scrutiny, all the time. His fellow biologists are actively looking for his errors, and want to point them out. Because their system of thought is self-correcting, I can take it at face value as valid.

 

And I would take their opinion over yours, or the Bible's, or my neighbor's. They have evidence. I can look at it all I want. So can you. That is what is so all-fired cool about it.

[Topper]

You don't have courage and gut, but Love Hurts has....

 

I have no Idea what you mean by I ddon't have courage and guts? Please explain yourself.

I am simply pointing out that to tell falshoods in the name of God is wrong. I would think that any Christain would see this as being a sin.

If I were a christain I would have the courage to stand up to the liers and point out their errors. That is my idea of courage. Whats yours?

[Moose]

When will people learn this?

[sb129]

Are you talking about the infinite?

 

I understand infinity as a mathematical and scientific concept.

 

But if you are talking about God the answer is never, because to me god doesn't exist, there is no proof,and a bunch of books written by some loonies isn't enough to convince me.

They are great storytellers. Thats about it.

 

 

When will people learn this?

[Moose]

But if you are talking about God the answer is never

Never say never.......

because to me god doesn't exist

That's a bummer.....

there is no proof

There isn't enough room on the LS server for me to give you ALL of the proof.....

 

Nor do I see any point in doing so.....

[Rooster_DAR]

Never say never.......That's a bummer.....There isn't enough room on the LS server for me to give you ALL of the proof.....

 

Nor do I see any point in doing so.....

 

Believe me, there is not proof. If you want to present faith as proof, you are fundamentally presenting nothing at all.

[lonelybird]

I have no Idea what you mean by I ddon't have courage and guts? Please explain yourself.

I don't want to.....

 

Habakkuk’s Problem

Problem #1: Why does God allow wicked practices to continue in the land?

God's Answer: I will eventually bring judgment (1:5-11)

Problem #2: Why will God use wicked people to punish others?

God's Answer: I will judge even those whom I use for judgment (2:2-20)

[lonelybird]

The Bible is FULL of contradictions.

 

 

LonelyBird that was uncalled for.

 

 

I don't believe God because he has never personally spoken to me, and I doubt he will because he doesn't exist.

The "opinions" you talk about LB are scientific facts that have been proven in a logical manner.

 

If you can prove to me that God exists without using a SINGLE reference to the Bible, I am all ears.

These other issues (evolution) I have seen with my own eyes, so I am leaning towards believing those.

What can make you feel fulfilled, deep satisfaction, rejoice? Science?

[lovelorcet]

I don't want to.....

 

 

This is about as good as the "satan did it" argument...

[Moose]

Believe me, there is not proof. If you want to present faith as proof, you are fundamentally presenting nothing at all.

Well, you're welcome to your own, "Opinion", however, Faith isn't what was I was talking about......

 

Tell you what.....since you feel so strongly about this, start a thread proving to us that God does not exist.....

[sb129]

What can make you feel fulfilled, deep satisfaction, rejoice? Science?

 

Love. Family. And love from people not god. Even other people who don't believe in god too (the heathens:eek: )

 

Well, you're welcome to your own, "Opinion", however, Faith isn't what was I was talking about......

 

Tell you what.....since you feel so strongly about this, start a thread proving to us that God does not exist.....

 

Prove to us that god DOES exist without quoting from scripture.

[Moose]

Prove to us that god DOES exist without quoting from scripture.

God reveals Himself to everyone in one way shape or form on His own time table.

 

Since you're blinded by your own idealism, you wouldn't consider a word I typed, even if I were able to raise someone from the dead right before your eyes, you wouldn't believe it. So it's pointless.

 

Besides, I believe I was talking to someone else....

[sb129]

I am not blinded by my "idealism" thanks very much.

Repeated scientific fact and research helps me draw my conclusions.

I don't have a need to believe in a god, I am happy as I am. Why do you have such a problem with that?

It is still possible to be a good person and NOT believe in god.

 

Who cares who you were talking to this is a public forum.

 

CAN you raise someone from the dead?

If you can, by all means show me and I may reconsider my beliefs.

 

 

I didn't think so.

 

 

Note: I am not insulting the believers. I am not saying YOU are blinded and idealistic. I am not criticising your beliefs- I am merely saying mine are different, and why they are.

 

So the Christian is the one flinging the dirt in a most un-Christian way towards the non-Christian.

How ironic.

[sb129]

PS Moose- you are very rude for a Christian.

 

So much for loving and respecting all others huh.

 

Do you guys have some kind of pyramid sell thing going on?

 

Or a rewards system based on how many you convert to your beliefs?

[Moose]

I am not blinded by my "idealism" thanks very much.

This says otherwise:

there is no proof,and a bunch of books written by some loonies isn't enough to convince me.

They are great storytellers. Thats about it.

Repeated scientific fact and research helps me draw my conclusions.

"Scientific fact" is always under it's own scrutiny....."Scientific Research" is always proving, "Scientific fact", to be incorrect.....where's the, "absolute" in science?

I don't have a need to believe in a god, I am happy as I am. Why do you have such a problem with that?

I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is when you say one thing:

Note: I am not insulting the believers. I am not saying YOU are blinded and idealistic. I am not criticising your beliefs- I am merely saying mine are different, and why they are.

Right after you say things like:

The Bible is FULL of contradictions. and I doubt he will because he doesn't exist.

 

Just because I'm a Christian, it doesn't revoke my right to challenge what you're trying to make others believe as, "fact".

PS Moose- you are very rude for a Christian.

If you don't believe in God, than how can you catagorize me as a, "Christian"? (things that make you go....hmmmm?)

So much for loving and respecting all others huh.

When I'm challenging non-believers such as yourself, it IS out of love.....not disrespect. It doesn't hurt my feeling one bit that you take it as rude.

Do you guys have some kind of pyramid sell thing going on?

We, (Christians), should always be on the job to add to our Father's house.

Or a rewards system based on how many you convert to your beliefs?

Not on Earth, but in heaven when we give up our crowns to Christ, yes....

[sb129]

This says otherwise: "Scientific fact" is always under it's own scrutiny....."Scientific Research" is always proving, "Scientific fact", to be incorrect.....where's the, "absolute" in science?I don't have a problem with that. Just because I'm a Christian, it doesn't revoke my right to challenge what you're trying to make others believe as, "fact".If you don't believe in God, than how can you catagorize me as a, "Christian"? (things that make you go....hmmmm?)When I'm challenging non-believers such as yourself, it IS out of love.....not disrespect. It doesn't hurt my feeling one bit that you take it as rude. We, (Christians), should always be on the job to add to our Father's house.Not on Earth, but in heaven when we give up our crowns to Christ, yes....

 

I am respecting your beliefs by calling you a christian- because you are one aren't you?

I didn't say that the Bible is full of contradictions to INSULT you, I said it because its true! Its an observation I have made.

 

What you say about science is true to a point- and thats the great thing about it! There are LOTS of absolutes... but there is also room for expansion and change of opinion. There isn't when it comes to god and his rules, thats what I have a problem with.

 

I know you will never agree with me Moose, and that is fine, because I won't ever agree with you on this matter either.

 

I am sorry if the "books by a bunch of loonies" caused offense, but IMO The Book Of Mormon is exactly that, and the loony in question, Joseph Smith, was a very persuasive, charismatic man who convinced alot of people he was right.

But I don't believe he ever saw any golden plates...

no proof you see.

[Moose]

I am respecting your beliefs by calling you a christian- because you are one aren't you?

Yes I am, and thank you.

I didn't say that the Bible is full of contradictions to INSULT you, I said it because its true! Its an observation I have made.

But what you're saying here, or what you want others to believe is simply not true.

 

These, "contradictions", that you speak of come from people who read the scriptures out of it's CONTEXT. They don't consider the time, genre, or situation when reading or diciphering it.

 

This is where more people need to study history and understand why it was written, who it was written for, and the situation surrounding the events.

 

But again, you're set on what you're going to believe, and that's that. I have to live with it, and so I will. I do have a problem when you INSIST on it as fact, and not an opinion.

What you say about science is true to a point- and thats the great thing about it! There are LOTS of absolutes... but there is also room for expansion and change of opinion. There isn't when it comes to god and his rules, thats what I have a problem with.

Maybe you should reconsider what you think God's, "rules" are. They aren't far from what you said earlier that would make you happy. Love from others, including the, "heathens"......it's really not ALL fire and brimestone....

I am sorry if the "books by a bunch of loonies" caused offense, but IMO The Book Of Mormon is exactly that, and the loony in question, Joseph Smith, was a very persuasive, charismatic man who convinced alot of people he was right.

But I don't believe he ever saw any golden plates...

no proof you see.

It didn't really offend me because I'm used to hearing it, but the, "Book of Mormon" and the Bible are two entirely different entities and should NEVER be grouped in the same catagory....

 

I sincerely hope that you can accept my apology if I ticked you off a bit. I just don't feel like I should hide any aspect of my faith and belief from anyone no matter how they take it....but it is my duty to defend it.....take her easy!