Prostitutes...

[RecordProducer]

What? You are thinking that selling your body can only be done in a sexual manner.

Obviously everybody understood that I meant "pussy" except YOU. Do I have to DRAW things for you?

 

No matter what occupation you have, you will always be under someone elses control and used for your time, which essentially means labor(body) and mind.

I might be one of those "rare" people who are OK with being used as a skilled person, but not OK with having starnger's stinky penises inserted in my mouth for money?

 

Kissing, sex scenes, breast-touching etc in movies all done for money. EVERYONE has their price!

Yeah, for how much money would you kiss Brad Pitt?

 

Just a matter of perspective and how one is brought up. If one thinks the vagina is the holy grail (as most women and men think), then they are likely to think as you: prostitutes are worthless and at the bottom of society.

I wonder if you're a woman who thinks this low of herself or a man who is sounds so tolerant toward prostitutes. If you're a man then you're excused. But if you're a woman - as LW told Fiona - you sound like a prostitute.

It's nice when someone's WORTH is based on their VAGINA and not their mind or character.

It's not the "vagina's" value, it's exactly the mind and character value in question - when you sell your vagina for money!

[Mirror]

I think the big difference is the stigma attached to carnal prostitution. There'd be less junkies in the trade, if being a hooker was not social anathema.

 

 

It's not just a stigma because BS don't want their H having sex with some random person. (Even though that's a pretty valid reason.) "

 

"There would be less junkies in the trade, if being a hooker was not a social anathema"

 

- If you apply that, then that means there would be less cigarette smokers/ suicides/ crime if we didn't just worry about. False. It's a stigma because I don't want my daughter/son to become a prostitute; therefore, you instill in them the morals and values that would make them look down on prostitutes. It's a stigma because a lot of our laws are based on religion and prostitution is no exception. Every prostitute is someone's daughter/sister/wife/mother/friend.

[RecordProducer]

It's not just a stigma because BS don't want their H having sex with some random person. (Even though that's a pretty valid reason.) There would be less junkies if people didn't think so badly about it- If you apply that, then that means there would be less cigarette smokers/ suicides/ crime if we didn't just worry about. False. It's a stigma because I don't want my daughter/son to become a prostitute; therefore, you instill in them the morals and values that would make them look down on prostitutes. It's a stigma because a lot of our laws are based on religion and prostitution is no exception.

True. Discrimination has two sides. We all know the cases of parents raising their children with an open mind just to see them becoming or marrying the wrong person.

[Topper]

I will say his again Prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. Sociologist have done some experiments useing monkeys. they would give the male monkeys all the food. It did not take long for the female monkeys to become sexually aggressive to the male monkeys But they would only allow them to have sex after the male turned over a Banana. It isn't hard to see the early humans would do pretty much the same thing. Of course Pairing would also take place for the mutual raising of Offspring and mutual support. By studying primates we can get a glimpse of how we as humans formed socially. Another interesting thing is the first evidence of religion is the Venus figures found in caves in many parts of the world. these Figures were carved or made of baked clay. They were of a woman with wide hips depicted as pregnant and usually with an overemphasized Virgina. most anthropologist think that the first deity's might have been feminine rather then male. The male deities start appearing as humans start the long road from hunter gathers clans into communities and the discovery farming grains. Some think that the discovery of beer may very well set man on the road to becoming farmers. But that is another topic.

There is also a religious aspect to early prostitution. is some ancient cults there were sacred prostitutes or Priestesses. One such cult survives to this day. The Tantric sacred sex movement has been around in India for thousands of years. The famous book the Kara Sutra is one of the sacred books of that cult. It is now gaining ground now in the Western world.

Prostitution has been here since before recorded history and as long as their are males and females for better or worse, it will be a part of society.

Like most people Prostitutes come in all forms. There are the trophy wives who are at the top of the food chain. Then Mistress to wealthy men. High Class hookers working out of expensive town homes and Condos in places like Beverly Hills, NY City. Las Vegas. Any place there is mega wealth you will find these woman who are paid better then Dr's or Lawyers. Then there is what is know as soft hookers Woman who are working in a regular job but Moonlight on week ends as prostitutes to have a better life style. There are those who see their Profession as Liberating and those that are enslaved by the trade.

Some of us may even have a prostitute in the family tree. in the 1880 it was felt that 1 out of 4 woman in the lower classes of London society worked as a prostitute at some point.

When the first income tax was instituted In Seattle one in six woman listed their occupation as a seamstress. This was a common way to hide the income from being a Hooker. In The gold rush era many a Hooker became respectable after marrying a guy who made some money on a claim. As long as men want sex There will be a woman willing or not who will sell her body.

[a4a]

Another interesting thing is the first evidence of religion is the Venus figures found in caves in many parts of the world. these Figures were carved or made of baked clay. They were of a woman with wide hips depicted as pregnant and usually with an overemphasized Virgina. .

 

oh they just totally neglected to show her OHIO as being important?

[lindya]

oh they just totally neglected to show her OHIO as being important?

 

IDAHO last night, but she didn't look like the baked clay model Topper's describing.

[Topper]

Damn I need to proof read more. "Virgina" That's what i get for multi tasking

[alphamale]

The stigma IS attached because some of us don't feel like screwing people we don't know and love for money. You as a male can't understand that anyone who touches our body leaves a deep scar in our souls.

trust me sister....If I was anally gang raped by a bunch of dudes....there would be a lot of scars.

[PussInHeels]

In Nevada they have strict testing: they have not had a single known case of HIV transmission in legalized brothels since 1986, when testing of prostitutes first began. I don't know what the statistics are on violence against women in these brothels, but I am willing to bet it is much, much lower in legal brothels than it is for women on the street. Remember that women in a legal brothel are basically independent contractors who probably either pay a fee to work in a stable or they collect a certain percentage a la franchises; street prostitutes have to fork over their money to thuggish pimps, many of whom are in and out of prisons and are tied to other underground businesses like the drug trade.

I was happy to hear when Nevada implemented the testing and also laws that forbade prostitutes with STDs from working. I somehow don't think legalizing prostitution in DC or Maryland or New York would have quite the same effect. I would be nice if it did, but I don't think so. I also don't think the majority of states would be interested in legalizing prostitution.

 

On a side note, because I really don't know and I'm curious, those prostitutes that work for stables in Nevada...do they get employee health care and retirement benefits? As a legal means of employment, I guess they should...

[1DeadB]

Stick a fork in this thread...it's done!

[alphamale]

On a side note, because I really don't know and I'm curious, those prostitutes that work for stables in Nevada...do they get employee health care and retirement benefits? As a legal means of employment, I guess they should...

I was always under the impression they were independent contractors so they would have to buy their own benefits... sort of like the strippers who work in higher class clubs.

[Fiona]

The European prostitutes have full benefits, pension, health plan and... their income is tax free.

[PussInHeels]

The European prostitutes have full benefits, pension, health plan and... their income is tax free.

Well I guess there's plenty of people here with non-sex related jobs who don't get those benefits, so I guess it would be silly to expect prostitutes to receive them.

[1DeadB]

That list there is going to apply to A LOT of people.

 

 

Maybe being a sex adict is normal?

 

Why fight it?

[IpAncA]

Maybe being a sex adict is normal?

 

Why fight it?

I'd be worried if no one thought about it.

[Guest Also]

The original poster said he wanted to know if he was crazy because his relationship with his SO had improved since had begun his "hobby" of seeing escorts. He hs been with this woman for 10 years. It is not that she is withholding sex, sex has gotten boring and predictable, she is unwilling to experiment much.

 

The problems he's describing can all be solved by just sitting down and talking honestly with each other instead of his sneaking around paying for sex with people he doesn't know anything about, except that they will accept money for sex. He doesn't know how many people the escorts he is visiting screw in a week. He doesn't know their background or anything about them. He is exposing himself and his SO to all kinds of disease.

 

My guess is he is perplexed and angry because his SO does not want to have sex with him much anymore. Rather than seek out the reasons for her resistance, he exercises a poor option because it is better than almost no sex at all.

 

This is a really sad situation. It makes me think that the man is afraid to be intimate enough to his SO to be honest with her. He has been with her for 10 years, for heaven's sake. They should be able to talk about anything.

 

The problem isn't the prostitutes, the problem is his apparent unwillingness to get down to the nitty gritty of what is behind the sexual dissatisfaction in their relationship. Perhaps their relationship has simply run it's course and they don't do good things for each other anymore.

 

I don't think he's crazy for liking sex with prostitutes, as by doing so he can avoid dealing with the great big elephant in the bedroom. He doesn't have to talk about it with his SO. He doesn't have to hear anything "bad". He is taking the easy way out.. instead of working it out with his SO, he can feel angry and justified and get even with her instead.

 

Cheating is the worst, most unfair, most dishonorable way to end a relationship. Think carefully about what the repercussions would be if your SO found out. Consider whether it might be better to just leave her instead of cheating on her.

[Mirror]

I will say his again Prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. Sociologist have done some experiments useing monkeys. they would give the male monkeys all the food. It did not take long for the female monkeys to become sexually aggressive to the male monkeys But they would only allow them to have sex after the male turned over a Banana. It isn't hard to see the early humans would do pretty much the same thing. Of course Pairing would also take place for the mutual raising of Offspring and mutual support. By studying primates we can get a glimpse of how we as humans formed socially. Another interesting thing is the first evidence of religion is the Venus figures found in caves in many parts of the world. these Figures were carved or made of baked clay. They were of a woman with wide hips depicted as pregnant and usually with an overemphasized Virgina. most anthropologist think that the first deity's might have been feminine rather then male. The male deities start appearing as humans start the long road from hunter gathers clans into communities and the discovery farming grains. Some think that the discovery of beer may very well set man on the road to becoming farmers. But that is another topic.

There is also a religious aspect to early prostitution. is some ancient cults there were sacred prostitutes or Priestesses. One such cult survives to this day. The Tantric sacred sex movement has been around in India for thousands of years. The famous book the Kara Sutra is one of the sacred books of that cult. It is now gaining ground now in the Western world.

Prostitution has been here since before recorded history and as long as their are males and females for better or worse, it will be a part of society.

Like most people Prostitutes come in all forms. There are the trophy wives who are at the top of the food chain. Then Mistress to wealthy men. High Class hookers working out of expensive town homes and Condos in places like Beverly Hills, NY City. Las Vegas. Any place there is mega wealth you will find these woman who are paid better then Dr's or Lawyers. Then there is what is know as soft hookers Woman who are working in a regular job but Moonlight on week ends as prostitutes to have a better life style. There are those who see their Profession as Liberating and those that are enslaved by the trade.

Some of us may even have a prostitute in the family tree. in the 1880 it was felt that 1 out of 4 woman in the lower classes of London society worked as a prostitute at some point.

When the first income tax was instituted In Seattle one in six woman listed their occupation as a seamstress. This was a common way to hide the income from being a Hooker. In The gold rush era many a Hooker became respectable after marrying a guy who made some money on a claim. As long as men want sex There will be a woman willing or not who will sell her body.

 

 

Okay...thanks for the history lesson but how does this pertain to a man who's cheating on his wife? I mean, history repeats itself with everything- there has been slavery since the dawn of man too but that doesn't mean we shouldn't break the cycle. What is in the past does not make it right.

[Mirror]

I'm going to go off the deep end, but hear me out.

 

It should come as no surprise at all that men seek out sex on business trips -- because that's what we're born to do. The same evolutionary forces which shaped male aggression in such a way to use violence are the same forces which shaped male aggression to spread the seed. Males are the aggressive gender, and nature made us this way. It does not excuse cheating, but it makes it more understandable. I just wish we could have a discussion on this kind of thing without involving the Bible and without feminism and political correctness.

 

The transition had to be extremely difficult for men in particular. Male aggression, which had been shaped by the forces of evolution and adaptation to his own ruthless environment over MILLIONS of years, suddenly had to be turned off like a switch. But it was impossible. Men continued to find ways to use male aggression to their advantage, often fighting their way to the top of the community in which they lived. Up to that point, might had always made right for humans, in the same way that it force and aggression has continued to reward other species in nature. The species that survived...is the one that learned to be more aggressive. More aggressive in its use of tactical violence, and more aggressive in its attempts to spread the seed.

 

But again, the adaptation couldn't have been easy: men were programmed for years to steal resources from other tribes; to use violence to drive others from their territory; to rape their competitors tribes' women to create more of their own offspring and to terrorize their neighbors into leaving their hunting and gathering grounds. Brutal, yes; but the evidence suggests that such brutality was clearly rewarded by God. Those who weren't brutal enough, were simply wiped out of existence.

 

 

I disagree with you. In some animals, the female is more aggressive than the male, and even nowadays, females are usually the ones to initiate a relationship since so many men are afraid of rejection. Therefore, it would seem females are more agressive.

 

The way you say, "It would be no surprise," is really sad. Why let the wrongs of the forefathers justify your behavior?

 

The entire argument is based on a fallacy:

 

1. Animals cheat on animals.

2. Humans evolved from animals.

3. It is natural for a human to cheat.

 

Fallacies, my friend, can be exaggerated as so:

 

1. Africans usedto cannibalize

2. All people ancestors came from Africa.

3. It is natural to canibalize.

 

Or

 

1. Unicelluar organims undergo mitosis for reproduction, and produce clones.

2. All animals evolved from unicelluar organims including humans.

3. It is natural for a man to want to clone himself.

 

All of the above statements are also true, and based on your fallacy of evolution and keeping traits of animals in man like cheating would all be "natural" for humans.

 

If that's not a fallacy, I don't know what is. The only thing that is natural and that should "come as no surprise" is man rationalization for their actions to make themselves feel better. You said you did not want to talk about the bible, so I won't.

 

Also, women stole, killed, and raped to survive as well. Not just men. Men are programmed to be aggressive?? Then why doesn't the OP see his wife's unsexuality as a challenge and do everything possible to reach the goal of them enjoying sex together instead of finding prostitutes-the coward's way out?

[justagirlforever]

The European prostitutes have full benefits, pension, health plan and... their income is tax free.

Sorry to stray OT - but this statement is incorrect. Which part of Europe exactly ? To the best of my knowledge it's free enterprise in the UK with no benefits - it's not even regulated. Though legal. And taxes most certainly have to be paid as with any normal profession. Whether or not they declare it, is questionable.

[Fiona]

Sorry to stray OT - but this statement is incorrect. Which part of Europe exactly ? To the best of my knowledge it's free enterprise in the UK with no benefits - it's not even regulated. Though legal. And taxes most certainly have to be paid as with any normal profession. Whether or not they declare it, is questionable.

I know it's true for the German speaking countries, and wouldn't doubt it's true for France.

 

An Art gallery got hit in Vienna. The goods sold and money placed in Switzerland. The thief would travel there on a regular basis and bring cash back into Austria. He was arrested for tax evasion but quickly let go. He was a registered male prostitute, visiting clients in Switzerland, who just happened to pay extreemly well. (true story).

[amerikajin]

I disagree with you. In some animals, the female is more aggressive than the male, and even nowadays, females are usually the ones to initiate a relationship since so many men are afraid of rejection. Therefore, it would seem females are more agressive.

 

First of all, I didn't say that males were more aggressive than females in all animal species; I said that males were more aggressive than females in our species, and that in our species, aggression was rewarded by survival, as it is in countless other species. I believe in "survival of the fittest" and "natural selection", as there is evidence to support this theory.

 

The way you say, "It would be no surprise," is really sad. Why let the wrongs of the forefathers justify your behavior?

 

The entire argument is based on a fallacy:

 

1. Animals cheat on animals.

2. Humans evolved from animals.

3. It is natural for a human to cheat.

 

Nowhere did I say that the wrongs of my forefathers *justified* cheating. For one thing, these so-called wrongs wouldn't have necessarily been so wrong in the times of pre-historic man; it wasn't until we settled in cities that we began to define things in terms of "right" and "wrong", as it was necessary to keep the peace.

 

Secondly, irrespective of the above, I never said that our genetic tendencies *justified* anything; only that they made our behavior understandable. When a guy goes out looking for sex, or when he gets horny at a bar after talking to some girl he barely knows, and considers a fling on the side an option, I'm not saying that it's justified; I'm saying that it's perhaps understandable in light of how we are hard-wired. And I'm sorry -- we are definitely hard-wired in different ways. You can say whatever you want; I'm not buying it. Anyone who knows anything about women and men and can just cut through the p.c. bullshyte knows that we are programmed to gravitate toward certain behaviors based on our gender. The degree to which we do so will depend on many factors, including our environment; but the genetic tendencies can't be emphasized enough.

 

Fallacies, my friend, can be exaggerated as so:

Also, women stole, killed, and raped to survive as well. Not just men. Men are programmed to be aggressive?? Then why doesn't the OP see his wife's unsexuality as a challenge and do everything possible to reach the goal of them enjoying sex together instead of finding prostitutes-the coward's way out?

 

Women might have stole and killed (and even raped, if you say so) but not to the degree that men did. No way. Has it dawned on you that men are naturally more muscular than women? Did men evolve to be more muscular so that they could stay at home and knit quilts?

[RecordProducer]

The entire argument is based on a fallacy:

 

1. Animals cheat on animals.

2. Humans evolved from animals.

3. It is natural for a human to cheat.

 

Fallacies, my friend, can be exaggerated as so:

 

1. Africans usedto cannibalize

2. All people ancestors came from Africa.

3. It is natural to canibalize.

 

Or

 

1. Unicelluar organims undergo mitosis for reproduction, and produce clones.

2. All animals evolved from unicelluar organims including humans.

3. It is natural for a man to want to clone himself.

 

All of the above statements are also true, and based on your fallacy of evolution and keeping traits of animals in man like cheating would all be "natural" for humans.

Mirror, I love your mind. However, we still have leftovers from our distant ancestors. Greed, seeking power, aggressiveness, jealousy, and many other traits are basically unnecessary in the contemporary society, but still warm up our heads.

 

My 8-year old son asked me the other day: "Mom, how come it takes so long for Nature to make a chnage and humans make incredible changes like in the last 50 years?" We develop faster than nature. Nature can't keep up with humans. While we've invented internet and lawyers and

equal rights for everyone, nature is still shaking us with her mindless and primitive instincts.

[Glass]

[quote=amerikajin;1137819 I believe in "survival of the fittest" and "natural selection", as there is evidence to support this theory.

 

And I'm sorry -- we are definitely hard-wired in different ways. You can say whatever you want; I'm not buying it. Anyone who knows anything about women and men and can just cut through the p.c. bullshyte knows that we are programmed to gravitate toward certain behaviors based on our gender. The degree to which we do so will depend on many factors, including our environment; but the genetic tendencies can't be emphasized enough.

 

Women might have stole and killed (and even raped, if you say so) but not to the degree that men did. No way. Has it dawned on you that men are naturally more muscular than women? Did men evolve to be more muscular so that they could stay at home and knit quilts?

 

I agree- we are definitely hard-wired in different ways because Im not aggressive at all, but that's one of the few things I agree with in your post.

 

"You can say whatever you want; I'm not buying it." Then, I suppose there is no point in me addressing your responses anyway.

 

Besides, that, if you havent noticed my previous account has been banned for "inticing" and therefore, I'm not going to argue with you if these are your personal beliefs- I really dont want to be banned anymore for responses or thread high-jaking as I would be doing if I continue.

[guest]

You know if a guy wants to go sleep with a prostitute when he is married I guess no one is going to be able to say anything to stop him, not his wife, not his kids, not his parents, no one.

 

But, I can not imagine paying someone to allow me to have sex with them KNOWING that where I am going to put my whoha there have been 20 other whoha's that day.....ick, ick, ick, double ick.....just the thought of it would make the ole whoha limp.

[Guest Poster]

Yes... ick... ick... ick...

 

AND I wonder whether it ever crosses his mind that when his wife goes down on him she puts her mouth where the well used prostie put her mouth and then with that same mouth she kisses their children. Just yuck. What's wrong with people? I used to think people who kissed their dogs on the mouth were gross. There's worse things I guess.