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It's unfortunate that you have no precedent with her mom to simply ask her to be open and direct with you.

 

Her mom will say to me "I don't know anything because she doesn't tell me much..." which is true. If she is having any major problems with her fiance she will not talk it over with her family. Maybe her dad but not her mom, especially knowing that her mom likes me.

 

At this point I think her mom is just trying to make sure that I do the right thing and not even hint at any negative feelings that might get back to my ex.

 

Ah, I see. This is new information to me. Well, from what you have described, it sounds like you certainly presented yourself as a prize, by handling the situation Friday with self-assurance and social aplomb. It will be interesting to see what may develop in the next few days.

 

So far, nothing, but that's to be expected. She got her fill of me on Friday so while I thought she might be poking around the web site, she hasn't.

 

I got what I needed which was to walk away feeling good about myself with my dignity in tact. She followed me around, I did not follow her. She asked me a TON of questions which by her standard is a lot. Granted, we haven't seen each other in over 6 months or talked so maybe that had a lot to do with it.

 

We'll see. It's not in my hands right now. That I am leaving over to God because I have learned the more I try to manipulate the outcome of anything the more screwed up I make things. Better to leave it to grow on it's own or fade away altogether.

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We'll see. It's not in my hands right now. That I am leaving over to God because I have learned the more I try to manipulate the outcome of anything the more screwed up I make things. Better to leave it to grow on it's own or fade away altogether.

I think you've pretty much summed it up right there.

 

You have two choices. Continuing to pursue her or walk away. She's engaged to be married to someone else but continues to give out signals to you. Bad mojo.

 

For your own mental health, walk away from this woman. She continues to try to addict.

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I think you've pretty much summed it up right there.

 

You have two choices. Continuing to pursue her or walk away. She's engaged to be married to someone else but continues to give out signals to you. Bad mojo.

 

For your own mental health, walk away from this woman. She continues to try to addict.

 

That's pretty much what I have been doing.

 

No chasing on my part. Why feed her ego? It has never led to anything of substance.

 

I'm through chasing her. She's have to swallow a lot of pride to ever come back to me and I just don't think, even if she thinks she made a mistake, that she would do that.

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I suppose if you don't want to put yourself out there - then you you will need to just sit back and see what pans out for the next few months..

 

BTW - when is she scheduled to be married?

 

Hang tough - whatever is supposed to be is the it will end up... ;)

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I suppose if you don't want to put yourself out there - then you you will need to just sit back and see what pans out for the next few months..

 

My plan is to live life and not really concern myself with what she is doing. Right now, she is doing nothing to lead me to believe she wants to pursue something. Still has his ring, still living with him.

 

BTW - when is she scheduled to be married?

 

Who knows. She said the wedding is on the back burner but they could elope at any time, which is what she has always said she wanted to do. By the way, she turns 30 next month so maybe that's her timeline. To be married by age 30.

 

Hang tough - whatever is supposed to be is the it will end up... ;)

 

Thanks. That's exactly what I am sticking to. I just think her odd behavior is something I'll never figure out. I realize it's impossible to tell what she is thinking but it's nice to hear a female's point of view as to what she's up to.

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wooow... long story. Sorry bout' the friend.... and the ex. I can see why you're confused by her odd behavior.

 

The hidden ring - I had an ex hide her engagement ring. Assumed she just didn't want to hurt my feelings. Fair enough.

 

Mixed signals - who knows? women are as nutty as us guys... :D

First thoughts after reading your post- she's unsure. About everything. You two had a bad breakup. Who's the dumper/dumpee... doesn't matter. She cheated right? She knows that .... and also had plenty of time to think. Im sure she has some kinda guilt regardless of being engaged to someone else. Deep down inside, she knows she did you wrong in the worst way and knows she messed up a good thing with a good guy. Every girl evenutally realizes that after awhile... as do most guys who screw up a good thing. She chased him? Got the ring? Her fun is over. Now things are serious for her as she's wearing his ring. Marriage is forever.... (well at least it's suppose to be) I'm sure she's having cold feet about him, herself... what she did to you.

The signs are all there.... the website hits, the blog reads... the eye contact, hangin' out near you at the house... it's pretty evident her mind is twisted.

 

The thing is.... it's outta your hands. I agree with the posts .... leave it God's hands... You did what you had to do...for the friend. You were a man about it, went regardless of the possible fiance' being there... and left when you were ready. Good for you. Must've been very awkard though....

 

Try not to drive yourself crazy over all the "Why's???" and just know, she's a mess in the head right now.....

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wooow... long story. Sorry bout' the friend.... and the ex. I can see why you're confused by her odd behavior.

 

Yeah, she left me with more questions than answers.

 

The hidden ring - I had an ex hide her engagement ring. Assumed she just didn't want to hurt my feelings. Fair enough.

 

Not just hiding the ring, but also lying about where she was going afterwards. She had to know that I knew there were races there that weekend and no track days. She had to know that I knew she was lying.

 

Mixed signals - who knows? women are as nutty as us guys... :D

First thoughts after reading your post- she's unsure. About everything. You two had a bad breakup. Who's the dumper/dumpee... doesn't matter. She cheated right?

 

Emotionally yes, physically no.

 

She knows that .... and also had plenty of time to think. Im sure she has some kinda guilt regardless of being engaged to someone else. Deep down inside, she knows she did you wrong in the worst way and knows she messed up a good thing with a good guy. Every girl evenutally realizes that after awhile... as do most guys who screw up a good thing.

 

I hope that is the case. I never did her any wrong, so she has no reason to be angry at me (which I don't think she is). When I saw her fiance at last month's races (she wasn't there) he was giving me dirty looks and wouldn't look me in the eye. That's why I think he caught her looking at my web site and probably laid down the law to her.

 

She chased him? Got the ring? Her fun is over. Now things are serious for her as she's wearing his ring. Marriage is forever.... (well at least it's suppose to be) I'm sure she's having cold feet about him, herself... what she did to you.

 

That is VERY much how she thinks too. Marriage in her eyes is forever and it makes me believe that she may be having some doubts or regrets.

 

The signs are all there.... the website hits, the blog reads... the eye contact, hangin' out near you at the house... it's pretty evident her mind is twisted.

 

Even she will admit she is a confused individual. I'm sure her fiance treats her well (she has said as much to others) and he probably is a very humble and kind guy. He's just not the kind of guy she told me she always wanted to marry. His spiritual side is lacking sorely and that will catch up to them in the future. That's where I think her regrets will be in the future and it could be why she is re-thinking her decision (if that is the case.) Either way, I have no control over the situation.

 

The thing is.... it's outta your hands. I agree with the posts .... leave it God's hands... You did what you had to do...for the friend. You were a man about it, went regardless of the possible fiance' being there... and left when you were ready. Good for you. Must've been very awkard though....

 

It was at first but once I got past the initial stages (I was a little nervous but got over it before she approached me). Once I settled in I was the old confident, secure guy I had always been before I met her. Just a lot less abrasive and much more fun. I was happy, easy going, humble, etc. All the things I hadn't been around her for years. That's why I left feeling good. I could feel the happy me returning and I could see in her eyes, those long stares, that she was trying to figure out if it was real. If I would trip myself up and go back to being that doormat/clingy guy she got to know. As far as I can tell, I did not leave her with even a hint of that image.

 

Try not to drive yourself crazy over all the "Why's???" and just know, she's a mess in the head right now.....

 

Agreed. But then again, she's always been confused.

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Didn't you say she got fake boobs recently? She's probably just an insecure person all around. Those aren't fun to touch anyway, I hear from guys, consider yourself lucky.

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Didn't you say she got fake boobs recently? She's probably just an insecure person all around. Those aren't fun to touch anyway, I hear from guys, consider yourself lucky.

 

Yep. And she had been wanting them long before she met me. Didn't help her ex before me insulted her lack of "fullness" up top. Never bothered me though. I was more interested in who she was, not what she was.

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Caliguy, will you marry me? Just kidding - but you sound very nice and on top of things. You are absolutely right about your feelings and the way you handled things. You will be just fine!

 

Interestingly, I ran into the new woman the Mad Texter is interested in now. Boy, not much downtime before he started in with her.

 

Here's the thing. When I saw her, I thought... WHAT!? Now I don't normally judge someone by the way they look, but, when you know someone and they all of a sudden pull a 180 with a person that doesn't even remotely act, think or look like what they are interested in, you know immediately - Rebound!!

 

He still has the same issues - that won't change until he works on them - and she's already saying how she's glad he won't be around this weekend... You have to wonder.

 

Here's the good news. Like you, I'm happier, much, much calmer, and standing on my own two feet without a "filler" person to occupy my time. I'm glad I'm not in a relationship that is a disaster waiting to happen. Ehhh.

 

Anyway, Caliguy, keep your chin up, yes, she's fishing and wondering and feeling like she really, really messed up, because SHE DID.

 

I have the same thing on my end, not to the extent yet that you have, but I'll see him at a social function \this week, and he is in for quite a shock. I've worked out now for a long time, it shows, my hair is sexy and shiny, ...Mostly, I'm calm and people I work with have really noticed.

 

I'll be fine, just like you. :)

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That's all you can do is live and enjoy life. You can't control what other people do and living in the past destroys your present and future.

 

Might as well get on with things.

 

I hate that I over-analyze things so much. Sometimes I wish I could just turn my brain off :)

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I hate that I over-analyze things so much. Sometimes I wish I could just turn my brain off

 

Hear hear. Its a thousand times harder than quitting cigarettes

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Sorry about the friend CG.

 

If you want some insight into the psychology of of reunion (or attempted reunion) this is worth a read:

 

Grace Gabe - Psychology Today Article

 

While this deals with a 30 year gap before reunion, I believe the basic principles apply in any situation involving true love and breakups regardless of when the breakup occurred.

 

Here's something else to think about...

 

Direct communication (verbal, e-mail etc) makes it easy to lie as evidenced by your EX's lies.

 

Indirect communication (body language, expressions, gestures etc) makes lying much more difficult but is tough to interpret.

 

Perhaps we should be paying more attention to indirect communication than direct when it comes to offers of reconciliation......discuss :D.

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Sorry about the friend CG.

 

If you want some insight into the psychology of of reunion (or attempted reunion) this is worth a read:

 

Grace Gabe - Psychology Today Article

 

While this deals with a 30 year gap before reunion, I believe the basic principles apply in any situation involving true love and breakups regardless of when the breakup occurred.

 

Very interesting read. The most important part I got out of that is both parties must have changed and grown over time. That's the problem with so many second chances. They're rushed with little time between to reflect and understand what went wrong, where you both can improve and the requirement that you start from scratch all over again. You can not pick up where you left off or you'll just crash again.

 

Here's something else to think about...

 

Direct communication (verbal, e-mail etc) makes it easy to lie as evidenced by your EX's lies.

 

Indirect communication (body language, expressions, gestures etc) makes lying much more difficult but is tough to interpret.

 

Perhaps we should be paying more attention to indirect communication than direct when it comes to offers of reconciliation......discuss :D.

 

True. She did lie, but I think more to save my feelings than to give me the idea she might be having problems with her fiance.

 

One thing is for sure. Her body language, her smiles, her intense eye contact, her initiating a lot of the conversation all said "I am interested in you and what you have to say." Also, her admitting to having looked up what kind of work I am doing now was not like her. What does she care what my career is now? Having me move her bike for her, following me downstairs, getting me a band-aid, sitting around watching me work on our friend's bike. She obviously wanted to be around me, but why?

 

I wish I could know with absolute certainty why she chose to hide her engagement ring and why she lied about where she was going. Was it to save my feelings? I know she is engaged and who she is engaged to. What does it matter? It doesn't bother me anymore. I do know that she is very private and protective of her privacy. Even to her family. Maybe that is more or less a reflection of who she is, not necessarily how she feels about me.

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she misses you. Remember, it's been what? 15-16 months or something? Add the time + what she did to you (guilt) + atomsphere (minus her fiance') + your newfound confidence = someone worth hanging around and paying attention too. (besides, for her, who knows the next time she may get the chance)

 

I wish I could know with absolute certainty why she chose to hide her engagement ring and why she lied about where she was going. Was it to save my feelings?
I still believe hiding the ring was just a first instinct on her part. Remember, she was probably pretty nervous about seeing you. "Why stir up old waters that settled by rubbin' a ring from the guy she was messin' with in your face?" Again, it may have just been her first instincts. Imagine her ride home??? She's probably STILL talkin' to herself!! :D She basically had two choices, keep it out in the open and be flashy with it OR hide it from you and not risk upsetting you, or bringin' up old reminders. Then there's the third possible reason.... she's embarrassed.
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Could you turn your brain off if you discussed all this with her? Or is that out of the question? Say something like, hey, I know you have been looking at my blog and stuff and I just want to know why? I'm getting ready to move to San Diego and I want to make sure that .....blah, blah...blah. Maybe she is having doubts about her engagement. If you ask and come to her with direct questions, you will know. I would think you wouldn't want her to mistake by marrying someone who you think (because of how well you know her) doesn't share the same things (religion/spirtuality) as you know she does.

 

I have a hard time turning off my brain too, drives me crazy, what if, what does this mean, etc.., etc... and really, the fastest way to get it straightened out for yourself is to ask.

 

Happy Thursday!

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she misses you. Remember, it's been what? 15-16 months or something? Add the time + what she did to you (guilt) + atomsphere (minus her fiance') + your newfound confidence = someone worth hanging around and paying attention too. (besides, for her, who knows the next time she may get the chance)

 

I agree, it sure looked like she missed me.

I agree she has guilt.

I agree she saw new confidence and me being happy.

I agree in that atmosphere, without the fiance, she felt comfy around me. I am familiar.

 

 

I still believe hiding the ring was just a first instinct on her part. Remember, she was probably pretty nervous about seeing you.

 

Yes, it was the first time I had seen her in a long time and definitely since she's been engaged.

 

"Why stir up old waters that settled by rubbin' a ring from the guy she was messin' with in your face?" Again, it may have just been her first instincts.

 

The more I contemplate it, the more I think it was she didn't want to hurt me AND that she was embarrassed.

 

Imagine her ride home???

 

Technically she went right to the track and spent the weekend with her fiance. It was a long ride there (2 hours) so she had plenty of time to think.

 

She's probably STILL talkin' to herself!! :D

 

I think so too, but I would think that if she was thinking about me that she would go back to the web site. She hasn't as of yet so maybe what the interaction did was show her I was fine without her and relieve some of her guilt. There's no way to tell for sure.

 

She basically had two choices, keep it out in the open and be flashy with it OR hide it from you and not risk upsetting you, or bringin' up old reminders. Then there's the third possible reason.... she's embarrassed.

 

It's one of those three, I agree completely. I tend to learn towards the "didn't want to hurt me" one. She's also deeply private. With everyone, not just me. Even her parents. She didn't even tell anyone she was engaged until a month after. Not even her friends. So it's my guess that she just didn't want to hurt my feelings (even though she knows that I know she's engaged). Why else would she lie about what she was doing after. She told a partial truth, that she was going to the track, but she said to ride and I know that she did not ride because they don't have track days during race weekens.

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Could you turn your brain off if you discussed all this with her? Or is that out of the question? Say something like, hey, I know you have been looking at my blog and stuff and I just want to know why? I'm getting ready to move to San Diego and I want to make sure that .....blah, blah...blah. Maybe she is having doubts about her engagement. If you ask and come to her with direct questions, you will know. I would think you wouldn't want her to mistake by marrying someone who you think (because of how well you know her) doesn't share the same things (religion/spirtuality) as you know she does.

 

I have a hard time turning off my brain too, drives me crazy, what if, what does this mean, etc.., etc... and really, the fastest way to get it straightened out for yourself is to ask.

 

Happy Thursday!

 

While this would be true of most any women on the planet, it's not true of her. If I were to start asking personal questions and show any kind of interest in her, she would withdraw. She's so deeply private and hates people digging into her personal life.

 

She does it because she doesn't want to disappoint anyone or hurt them. Even me.

 

If she knew that I knew she had been visiting the web site that would freak her out, regardless of HOW I found out.

 

I know that I have been wracking my brain over this but I also know with absolute certainty if things were bad between them that she would not hesitate to contact me over something stupid to get a conversation started. She would go to the web site if she still had questions.

 

The more I think about it, the more I am sure that once she found out where I was moving that satisfied her curiosity on the web site. I think she either got busted by her fiance for looking at it at the end of Feb or that is when she found out where I was moving. Either way she went from visiting the site 3-5 times a week to roughly once every 10 days.

 

That tells me that she resolved whatever was bothering her and since she hasn't made any effort to contact me that things are fine with her and her fiance.

 

In other words, move on with my life and let her figure out her problems on her own. If I even so much as try to insert myself in her life, especially if she's trying to figure out what to do about her current guy, then I will bare the blame if things go wrong.

 

Trust me, she has no problem pulling out of a relationship if something doesn't feel right to her. She has a methodical way of doing it so that the last person to know will be him.

 

And I did smile at her and talk to her so at least she knows that I am not bitter or angry anymore. That, if anything, should give her the knowledge that she can come talk to me when she is ready.

 

It doesn't mean I would take her back, but I would listen to what she had to say. After all, what assurances could she give me that things would not end up the same way? I really would rather not get involved with her unless she had changed immsensely. And I saw a lot of the old her mixed in with some new maturity. Not quite where she needs to be but she's getting better.

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a few things continue to jump out at me ...

 

1) i wonder if she actually would honor being faithful as the years come along - because her trying to attract YOUR attention while she is engaged is really not very respectful of her fiance.

 

2) she seems to be a gal that will always need the limelight and for you to stroke her ego... this can be very emotionally exhausting and draining on any relationship.

 

3) it really is a bummer to be with anyone over years of time that is very insecure - and yes- i do see her this way. remember i am older and wiser than you are... :laugh:

 

4) i understand from a long time ago that you really enjoyed your physical relationship. it is darn tough to duplicate that with others and alot of times we can allow our minds to feel happy about the memories with that person mainly because we remember how much physical pleasure was received from being around them. this only goes so far and works for so long when the reality of married life - kids- job stresses etc - come into play. great sex is amazing - but it doesn't get you to the 30 year mark...

 

5) we tend to forget with time passing how hurtful it may have been while we were with that person (emotionally speaking). if she is emotionally inept - then that will be a factor in any relationship she carries throughout all her years - including her children.

 

6) i am uncomfortable with the way she reacted to your presence given that she is engaged... that is disrespectful of him and their future and tells me that her character is not up to par with your priorities. how would you like it if she did that to him if you two were ever engaged? (hence - my feeling of her needing the ego boost) some women just need a man to show them attention all the time... :rolleyes:

 

just my two cents worth of observation since i've had a few days to think about it.

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a few things continue to jump out at me ...

 

1) i wonder if she actually would honor being faithful as the years come along - because her trying to attract YOUR attention while she is engaged is really not very respectful of her fiance.

 

She is the type of woman who is so concerned with making a mistake that she would be the one not to cheat, but to leave. For her to accept his ring, that is a big deal. But I do know that what is motivating it may not be just him but the fact she turns 30 next month and has stated repeatedly "My clock is ticking."

 

2) she seems to be a gal that will always need the limelight and for you to stroke her ego... this can be very emotionally exhausting and draining on any relationship.

 

For the most part, yes. But when she was with me I was so insecure at the time I needed constant validation from her. That drove her away. Since then I've gotten myself corrected but that image has remained in her eyes. She did get to see the new me and I think it did impress her (or she would not have followed me around. I forgot to mention, she waited for me to finish a talk with my friends dad before she walked in the house).

 

3) it really is a bummer to be with anyone over years of time that is very insecure - and yes- i do see her this way. remember i am older and wiser than you are... :laugh:

 

She is very insecure and always has been. I was never insecure until I met her. She was so hard to read and I didn't understand her that it drained MY sense of confidence. It took a while to realize why that happened and has since been corrected but still, the damage is done. And yes, getting a boob job in my eye is an insecure thing to do.

 

4) i understand from a long time ago that you really enjoyed your physical relationship. it is darn tough to duplicate that with others and alot of times we can allow our minds to feel happy about the memories with that person mainly because we remember how much physical pleasure was received from being around them. this only goes so far and works for so long when the reality of married life - kids- job stresses etc - come into play. great sex is amazing - but it doesn't get you to the 30 year mark...

 

I agree. There's more to life and relationships than sex. I think if anything that is maybe what she misses most about our relationship. I mean when she was into the relationship, it was great. When she was not, she was bad. It really came down to her telling friends "Something just doesn't sit right with me." and I know what it was. My confidence had been shot.

 

5) we tend to forget with time passing how hurtful it may have been while we were with that person (emotionally speaking). if she is emotionally inept - then that will be a factor in any relationship she carries throughout all her years - including her children.

 

She might have forgotten but I haven't. She put me through hell and left me standing there while my heart was broken over my mom passing away. She was selfish and only cared about her needs at the time. She admitted sometime later that she was embarrassed about her behavior. That's not the say as apologizing though. She is emotionally very private. I accepted that from the day we started dating. All I wanted was an assurance we were a couple and she would never give that to me. (Ie: exclusive). I don't know how she could not understand that is what eroded my confidence. I never knew where I stood.

 

6) i am uncomfortable with the way she reacted to your presence given that she is engaged... that is disrespectful of him and their future and tells me that her character is not up to par with your priorities. how would you like it if she did that to him if you two were ever engaged? (hence - my feeling of her needing the ego boost) some women just need a man to show them attention all the time... :rolleyes:

 

Well if you saw us from the outside you would not have thought anything of it. We acted like friends, not lovers. Yes, she paid more attention to me than I thought she should and would have, but at the same time she did not give me any indication that she wanted to poke and prod me to see if I was sill interested or available. But yes, I agree with you that those who know the relationship from the inside would be scratching their heads. I know she loves me (she has said as much) she just said "I am not IN love with you." Maybe that's her way of showing she still cares without leading me on?

 

just my two cents worth of observation since i've had a few days to think about it.

 

I think this is great and thank you!

 

When I start adding things up, how private she is, with hiding the ring and lying about being with him, I come to the conclusion that she was trying to not hurt me and yet keep her private life private.

 

I think if she didn't want me to think she was still engaged she could have pulled off her engagment ring. On the other hand, our friends there know she is engaged so maybe that's why she did not (if that is the case).

 

Either way, I guess I'll never know because I am not going to contact her. Like AC said, just live your life and move and if something happens in the future you'll be better set emotionally to know how to deal with it.

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She might have forgotten but I haven't. She put me through hell and left me standing there while my heart was broken over my mom passing away. She was selfish and only cared about her needs at the time. She admitted sometime later that she was embarrassed about her behavior. That's not the say as apologizing though. She is emotionally very private. I accepted that from the day we started dating. All I wanted was an assurance we were a couple and she would never give that to me. (Ie: exclusive). I don't know how she could not understand that is what eroded my confidence. I never knew where I stood.

 

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Sorry to say so - but this alone would be enough to make me run and never look back, no matter how good things had been! I see her as emotionally inept - and that really never changes in a person.

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Sorry to say so - but this alone would be enough to make me run and never look back, no matter how good things had been! I see her as emotionally inept - and that really never changes in a person.

 

I know and I agree. I did however see changes in her and she saw changes in me. Time changes people. I think part of her behavior was the embarrassment of how she treated me. Granted, I was no great prize at the time either. My behavior was "doormat-ish" at best.

 

We've both grown and changed. I'm not saying she is right for me or I am right for her because I don't know.

 

All I do know is that I do still love and care about her. But I also know that I don't control things and life goes on.

 

I'm pretty sure I have a healthy perspective about everything. I'm not in a rush to get back with her. I guess the whole context of this thread is to try and figure her behavior out. She does some odd things that most women wouldn't do. (hiding the ring, for example).

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I guess the whole context of this thread is to try and figure her behavior out. She does some odd things that most women wouldn't do. (hiding the ring, for example).

 

Could be that she was embarrassed about the shape/size and didn't want you to see it... shows her continued insecurities and materialistic nature...

 

I hate that about living here. Why can't people just NOT play any games and just put everything up front and on the table instead of being so fake.

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Could be that she was embarrassed about the shape/size and didn't want you to see it... shows her continued insecurities and materialistic nature...

 

Could be. There's really only two possiblities. Either she was embarrassed or didn't want to hurt my feelings.

 

I hate that about living here. Why can't people just NOT play any games and just put everything up front and on the table instead of being so fake.

 

I live in California. This is very typical behavor I suppose.

 

Do you think the web site visits stopped because her curiosity has been satisifed about where I am moving or that because she saw me, she's taking time to reflect?

 

It's really hard to read her sometimes, that is why I am not contacting her. It's not just a pride thing, it's all about me being true to myself and knowing that when someone wants you, nothing will stop them from finding you.

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Caliguy, It's true. Sometimes people do make hard to read them and their intentions, but if you're going to live by the rule of "nothing will stop them from finding you if they want you". Dont you think that she's already made that effort?

 

What are you afraid of by contacting her?

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