Sufferings is result of our sins?

[Love Hurts]

If you don’t believe in Jesus and you have no other gods that you follow.

Since you appear adamant in your stance than why are you here?

What is your purpose?

 

 

See now that is where I think differently everyone has a purpose LH...

 

Everyone.

Oh I see the good of it as a nonbeliever actually causes a believer to dig deeper for greater understanding of the word.

 

And many that read the threads are enlightened from or not..

Still I reach a place of wonderment when it appears fruitless and I question do you have a greater purpose?

 

Its true some Atheist have work to do and their primary work is to destroy Christianity.

 

I’ m curious if there was something more here…?

It’s a fair question not to be eluded by you … if you don’t mind;

can you give an honest response?

[Love Hurts]

You all may think that I am going totally off subject here...

 

But Do any of you believe in Santa Claus?

 

This is off topic… if you meant that sincerely you would have posted a new thread on this.

 

And sincerely collected responses from others that select to respond to new thread topics or not.

[pricillia]

anyway... this topic is Spirituality and Relgious(plural) Beliefs again plural

 

 

there are other belief systems out there so, everyone may not be of Christian Faith and that is ok..

 

I accept that and all Christians should accept that as well.

[Love Hurts]

anyway... this topic is Spirituality and Relgious(plural) Beliefs again plural

 

 

there are other belief systems out there so, everyone may not be of Christian Faith and that is ok..

 

I accept that and all Christians should accept that as well.

 

Yes there are other belief systems out there so, everyone may not be of Christian Faith .

 

But lets get clear… some are Satanist and the work of a Satanist is to destroy Christianity to jump in Christian threads and run them no where.

 

There various levels of Satanism one can aspire to climb the satanic ladder.

 

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/bgoat/rituals/BasicExercises.html

 

 

Theistic Satanism

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/

 

 

Satanism

http://www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/Satanism.htm

 

Test……..

http://www.jesus-messiah.com/wcraft/satanist-test.html

 

The goal of Satanism is to destroy Christianity. … as their are other belief systems out there so, everyone may not be of Christian Faith is your stance?

 

In another thread; a proclaimed Satanist… it is his work to do just that; to destroy Christianity … Just as it is a Christians work to bring others to Christ.

 

We work opposite one another.

What is your stance?

What should I accept? Who are you? What do you stand for?

Say it... Are you a Satanist?

[pricillia]

LH, the reason why I ask if you believe in SC is because it is of Chrisitan faith and many believe that there is and pass on the misconseption.

 

As far as purpose there is more to life and death then the Christian faith.

 

I don't think I am trying to stop making you believe in god, I am just saying that there are people all over the world that belive differently when it comes to religion, it is a diverse world out there and I choose not to be narrow minded when it comes to Jesus Christ and God, I will not ignore other religions and faiths and until I decide where my heart lies , and when I decide where my heart lies.. Belief system, and that does not mean I love satan... so please do not even imply that I do or anyone else who thinks differently about religion.

 

I will still be open to other ways of thinking beccause I know that the world is a diverse place and I welcome and cherish this. I was wondering how you feel about diversity?

[pricillia]

http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/santa.html

 

 

I ask about Santa Claus and just wondering if you all believe in him...This is not off base, it has to do with faith and what you actually believe.

[Moai]

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Realize many Christians come out of other religions of the world?

 

http://www.omsakthi.org/religions.html

The Major World Religions

 

http://www.thunderministries.com/history/newamain.html

NEW AGE RELIGION, CULTS, & PAGAN PRACTICES

 

So? There are missionaries all over the world promoting Christianity. Latin America was converted in toto. Mormonism is growing exponentially also.

 

Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world, and most people choose the religion of their parents.

 

I rejected religion, and my father was a minister. People can make their won decisions--I must know that or I wouldn't be here, nor would I be an atheist.

[Love Hurts]

LH, the reason why I ask if you believe in SC is because it is of Chrisitan faith and many believe that there is and pass on the misconseption.

 

As far as purpose there is more to life and death then the Christian faith.

 

I don't think I am trying to stop making you believe in god, I am just saying that there are people all over the world that belive differently when it comes to religion, it is a diverse world out there and I choose not to be narrow minded when it comes to Jesus Christ and God, I will not ignore other religions and faiths and until I decide where my heart lies , and when I decide where my heart lies.. Belief system, and that does not mean I love satan... so please do not even imply that I do or anyone else who thinks differently about religion.

 

I will still be open to other ways of thinking beccause I know that the world is a diverse place and I welcome and cherish this. I was wondering how you feel about diversity?

 

I have a right to ask, as I am aware of others that are of Satan and hide it.

It is good news you have not proclaimed Satan.

[Moai]

If you don’t believe in Jesus and you have no other gods that you follow.

Since you appear adamant in your stance than why are you here?

What is your purpose?

 

Why not degrade some other faith instead of the Christian faith?

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2. Islam: 1.3 billion

3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

 

You get this statistic from where, exactly? And by the way, atheism is not a faith, it is the lack of any, so it shouldn't be included in your little table here.

 

4. Hinduism: 900 million

5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

6. Buddhism: 376 million

7. primal-indigenous: 300 million

8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

9. Sikhism: 23 million

10. Juche: 19 million

11. Spiritism: 15 million

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13. Baha'i: 7 million

14. Jainism: 4.2 million

15. Shinto: 4 million

16. Cao Dai: 4 million

17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

18. Tenrikyo: 2 million

19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million

20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

22. Scientology: 500 thousand

 

Is your lot in life to destroy Christitanity?

 

Again, cannot speak for Island Girl, but the reason she is probably "attacking" Christianity is because you are supporting it. If someone came on this thread defending Islam, I (and I think she) would point out the flaws in that superstition as well.

 

As for Rapture we are to watch for signs... you can also surf net for end time signs

or signs of Rapture.

 

Which I have. That's how I found al those other incorrect predictions based on the "signs." I think everyone should look those things up.

[Love Hurts]

So? There are missionaries all over the world promoting Christianity. Latin America was converted in toto. Mormonism is growing exponentially also.

 

Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world, and most people choose the religion of their parents.

 

I rejected religion, and my father was a minister. People can make their won decisions--I must know that or I wouldn't be here, nor would I be an atheist.

Your father was a failure …I would not tell to many of his ministry as he sought to win souls for Christ and lost his own child.

[Moai]

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Realize many Christians come out of other religions of the world?

 

I notice that even on this page, the writer admits that these are approximate estimates (?), and that he includes Mormonism as Christianity--which it is, but I bet you don't think so. Also, when you look at the groups used to make up the secular/agnostic/atheist group.

 

I am suspect of the numbers anyway--not because they matter as far as the point of the thread goes, but because atheism is mis-identified as a "faith."

 

As I have mentioned before, I don't believe in leprechauns and nobody seems to define that as "faith."

[pricillia]

Your father was a failure …I would not tell to many of his ministry as he sought to win souls for Christ and lost his own child.

 

That is so judgemental LH... He may be on his own path and a good chrisitan has patience and understanding, I am sure that his father is a good strong man that does many good things for many people.

 

You should read this.

 

If we are to stay on topic...

http://www.realtime.net/~wdoud/topics/sufferng.html

 

You can avoid suffering from failure to isolate sin, resulting in "chain sinning". An example is the failure to forgive an offense. This leads to mental attitude sins such as anger, bitterness, desire for revenge, judging. These, in turn, lead to sins of the tongue, maligning, gossip, false accusations. The offended party suffers worse than the original offender. But the whole chain can be broken by forgiving the other party and confessing the sins in the chain.

taken from the above link...

 

 

LH, I was wondering if you were more understanding and forgiving if it would benefit you in this life and in the after life...

[Moai]

Yes there are other belief systems out there so, everyone may not be of Christian Faith.

 

And these people believe in their religion as ardently as you believe in yours. Their holy book tells them to behave differently than does your holy book. All of these different god beliefs cannot be right, but they can all be wrong.

 

But lets get clear… some are Satanist and the work of a Satanist is to destroy Christianity to jump in Christian threads and run them no where.

 

Uh-huh. There is an evil, opposite group to yours, and they actively seek to destroy yours. They have their rituals, and they lie and cheat in the hopes of bringing down the One True Religion.

 

There are probably groups that call themselves "Satanist" and do want to destroy Christianity. They probably meet in somebody's garage somewhere. Satanism is just as irrational as Christianity.

 

I have never read anyone come into a thread and start saying "Hail Satan" and the like. I can only assume that you think that I am somehow a Satanist, or at the very least working for Satan without my knowing. That would also imply that rationalism (which I support) is somehow Satanic, and by extension science is Satanic, too.

 

There various levels of Satanism one can aspire to climb the satanic ladder.

 

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/bgoat/rituals/BasicExercises.html

 

 

Theistic Satanism

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/

 

 

Satanism

http://www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/Satanism.htm

 

Test……..

http://www.jesus-messiah.com/wcraft/satanist-test.html

 

Yep, there is certainly a sliding scale of nuttiness.

 

The goal of Satanism is to destroy Christianity. … as their are other belief systems out there so, everyone may not be of Christian Faith is your stance?

 

As I wrote, some groups who identify as Satanic may want to destroy Christianity.

 

Not everyone is of the Christian faith. This is self-evident.

 

In another thread; a proclaimed Satanist… it is his work to do just that; to destroy Christianity … Just as it is a Christians work to bring others to Christ.

 

Can you direct me to this thread?

 

We work opposite one another.

What is your stance?

What should I accept? Who are you? What do you stand for?

Say it... Are you a Satanist?

 

I am not a Satanist, for the record. If there was a Satanist on this thread I would demonstrate his belief system to be flawed, as I would any theistic position.

[Moai]

Your father was a failure …I would not tell to many of his ministry as he sought to win souls for Christ and lost his own child.

 

My father was a failure? Sometimes you can be so offensive. That is not only a hurtful thing to say (and patently false), it seems to be judgmental and very un-Christlike. He saved more people than you have, or will. SO what difference does it make if I am his son or not?

 

For the record, he is not a minister anymore. He quit decades ago. He is no longer religious. I have no idea if he is an atheist or not as I have not spoken to him about it.

 

I notice that you suggest that I lie to his congregation (if he had one still).

[Moai]

I have a right to ask, as I am aware of others that are of Satan and hide it.

It is good news you have not proclaimed Satan.

 

What difference would it make? She could always repent later.

 

Satan is a character in the Bible, so he is just as imaginary as all the others.

[pricillia]

My father was a failure? Sometimes you can be so offensive. That is not only a hurtful thing to say (and patently false), it seems to be judgmental and very un-Christlike. He saved more people than you have, or will. SO what difference does it make if I am his son or not?

 

For the record, he is not a minister anymore. He quit decades ago. He is no longer religious. I have no idea if he is an atheist or not as I have not spoken to him about it.

 

I notice that you suggest that I lie to his congregation (if he had one still).

 

 

 

yeah Moai... I think that LH needs a lesson in forgivness herself as well as how to not be so judgemental.

[Love Hurts]

I notice that even on this page, the writer admits that these are approximate estimates (?), and that he includes Mormonism as Christianity--which it is, but I bet you don't think so. Also, when you look at the groups used to make up the secular/agnostic/atheist group.

 

I am suspect of the numbers anyway--not because they matter as far as the point of the thread goes, but because atheism is mis-identified as a "faith."

 

As I have mentioned before, I don't believe in leprechauns and nobody seems to define that as "faith."

 

If your father was a minister and lost his child to the world

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0330/breaking67.htm

 

You can appreciate chocolate Jesus art.

Lets take time out for a wake up call. Shall we…..

 

Your father failed …with his own child………how sad does it get????

Looks like a family of looosers.

 

What a joke your father worked for God and lost you for Satan…. daaaaaaaaaa

 

 

Like what happened??? daaaaaaaaaaaa

 

dribble not enough dribbble I guess?

[pricillia]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Love Hurts

I have a right to ask, as I am aware of others that are of Satan and hide it.

It is good news you have not proclaimed Satan.

 

 

 

 

 

What difference would it make? She could always repent later.

 

Satan is a character in the Bible, so he is just as imaginary as all the others.

 

 

I believe that there is good and bad in everyone...Christian and non Christian alike... LH should accept that fact as well.

[Love Hurts]

yeah Moai... I think that LH needs a lesson in forgivness herself as well as how to not be so judgemental.

 

No lets hit where it hurts shall we. Lets call an orange an orange and an apple an apple.

[Love Hurts]

What difference would it make? She could always repent later.

 

Satan is a character in the Bible, so he is just as imaginary as all the others.

She could always repent later………….not possible.

Not always………if you listen to M.K.B. tapes it tells prophetically of many that assumed they could repent later and later and later was not on their side as they are in Hell for eternity.

 

 

Later is not on our side my dear. The wake up call is now.

[Love Hurts]

I’m taking over where your father left off…….. Repent and be saved,

[pricillia]

Quote:

Originally Posted by pricillia

yeah Moai... I think that LH needs a lesson in forgivness herself as well as how to not be so judgemental.

 

Quote: Posted by Love hurts

No lets hit where it hurts shall we. Lets call an orange an orange and an apple an apple.

 

 

 

I am not trying to hurt you at all, but to call someones family member a failure because his son who chose not to follow the same path as his father is very judgemental.

 

Re read your reply to Moai I was just wondering if you could be the one the one taking cheap shots, just to prove your point.

[pricillia]

I’m taking over where your father left off…….. Repent and be saved,

 

 

 

You should realize that what you said was hurtfull and you should apoligize

[Love Hurts]

yeah Moai... I think that LH needs a lesson in forgivness herself as well as how to not be so judgemental.

Forgiveness…only comes through Jesus for those that repent…my forgiveness is nothing to your eternal soul

[Moai]

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/bgoat/rituals/BasicExercises.html

 

Hilarious! I quote from the opening paragraph on the home page: "The Black Goat Cabal is an online-based network of Satanists who reject dogma-based definitions of Satanism, opposing especially (1) the idea that LaVeyans are the only true Satanists and (2) the idea (far more common outside the Satanist scene than within it) that the only true Satanists are close-to-pure reverse Christians. Our aim is to raise the public visibility of those law-abiding forms of Satanism which do not fit either of the above two categories, and which preferably also have more to offer in terms of intellectual substance and/or a sane and well-developed system of occult practice."

 

That absolutely slays me. Even within Satanism, the is the No True Scotsman Fallacy. Classic. I would find it amazing that there are still people around in the 21st century who practice rituals and incantations and think that they actually work--but there IS a Catholic church down the street form my house, so it doesn't surprise me at all.

 

Theistic Satanism

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/

And it comes up again! I quote: "This website is devoted to documenting and commenting on the many new theistic Satanisms. I aim to make this site an informative resource both for theistic Satanists of all kinds and for the general public, including scholars and journalists. My own form of Satanism, like most of the new theistic Satanisms, is to some extent influenced by LaVey but not, by any means, based primarily on LaVey."

 

I am sure that scholars are quite thankful for the resource.

 

Satanism

http://www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/Satanism.htm

From what I read, it is a pretty good history of Satanism.

 

[COLOR=black][FONT=&quot]From the The Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ in Great Britain, by the way. Check out the pictures on the home page! Awesome! They are also the Guardians of the Holy Grail.

 

I sure will sleep well tonight, knowing that.

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Test……..

http://www.jesus-messiah.com/wcraft/satanist-test.html

 

Wow, I took the test and I failed. Surprise. I answered "no" to everything. Of course, I knew what the right answers were (Do you think faith in Jesus is the only way to be saved? Ummm, is yes what you are looking for?).

 

I should probably go and find some nutty links of my own, but how to sift through, there are so many.