Sufferings is result of our sins?

[pricillia]

I would have to say the name calling has been coming from both sides for the last several pages.

 

 

I don't think I used name calling as a way to get my point across, I am trying to understand LH and how she got to the point that she is at right now.

 

I feel she is suffering and is lashing out in the process, I am trying not to put her on the defensive, but it seems as though if one has compassion and is not a "Chrisitian" then thier compassion means nothing just that I have fallen.

[Island Girl]

I would have to say the name calling has been coming from both sides for the last several pages.

 

I disagree.

 

LH is the only one who out and out called Moai's father and family losers.

(She used more 's's but I'm pretty sure that is what she meant.)

 

LH also called Pricillia Satan. Which she has said to me on occasion as well. -- Hey Pricillia you're in great company. I think LH has called Moai Satan as well among others.

 

As for me - I have pointed out when one appears to be hypocritical. I hardly think that is name calling.

[Island Girl]

Reason number 6 thousand of "Why I will never be a Christian".

 

:bunny:

 

Funny.. I never come into this area.. thought I'd see what the "more enlightened" were talking about. I'd forgotten how derogatory, insulting, and demeaning they were.

 

Exactly.

 

It never ceases to amaze me though. There is such a lack of compassion for their fellow man.

[pricillia]

I disagree.

 

LH is the only one who out and out called Moai's father and family losers.

(She used more 's's but I'm pretty sure that is what she meant.)

 

LH also called Pricillia Satan. Which she has said to me on occasion as well. -- Hey Pricillia you're in great company. I think LH has called Moai Satan as well among others.

 

As for me - I have pointed out when one appears to be hypocritical. I hardly think that is name calling.

 

 

Thanks IG, I would like to add I was called a loser as well

[Island Girl]

Thanks IG, I would like to add I was called a loser as well

 

Ouch. I didn't see that one. Must have missed it. I came in a little late in "The Freak Out".

 

I have to hand it to you for trying to see the pain in LH.

 

Honestly - and I have said this before - I read her posts and I can see the mother in the movie Carrie -- do you know what I am talking about?

 

I think it stops me from looking deeper.

 

She has already said she won't apologize but I am sorry she called you that. There is no good excuse for bad behavior.

 

Chin up Pricillia!

[pricillia]

Ouch. I didn't see that one. Must have missed it. I came in a little late in "The Freak Out".

 

I have to hand it to you for trying to see the pain in LH.

 

Honestly - and I have said this before - I read her posts and I can see the mother in the movie Carrie -- do you know what I am talking about?

 

I think it stops me from looking deeper.

 

She has already said she won't apologize but I am sorry she called you that. There is no good excuse for bad behavior.

 

Chin up Pricillia!

 

 

Thanks.. I really don't take it personally at all, it did not bother me in the least just noting it for the record.

 

I know the move with Sissy Spacek, although fiction I think that the attitude of the mother was a little scary and probabaly does exist in real life, there are people out there that may thind that way, not realizing how corruptive the behavior, thinking actually is when you are dealing with actual heart and soul.

 

I know most of us need to be nurtured not just in childhood but there is someone in our lives that make a positive difference, and I think other then the drilling of the bible in LH there is something truly missing.

 

I do think that LH is sad and lonely

[Island Girl]

I know most of us need to be nurtured not just in childhood but there is someone in our lives that make a positive difference, and I think other then the drilling of the bible in LH there is something truly missing.

 

I do think that LH is sad and lonely

 

That was said very succinctly.

 

You have given me something to ponder this evening.

 

Thank you very much.

[pricillia]

That was said very succinctly.

 

You have given me something to ponder this evening.

 

Thank you very much.

 

 

Thanks IG... and please everyone forgive my spelling errors... it has been a long day:)

[lonelybird]

pricillia, Moai, Island girl

 

Why did you gang up toward Love Hurts? Why did you try to drag out bad side of people? Do you think you are kind to do this? What are you afraid of? All of us are human beings. we all have good and bad sides, but thanks Lord He always nuture our good sides, and He knows our weakness. All of us need forgiveness of Lord.

I am Love Hurts's friend. And we have many sisters and brothers around the world. we have one heart and one body that is Jesus Christ, we all love same Lord, we know we aren't perfect, but we know each other because the one who love Lord have a gold heart. we don't lack of love.

[Love Hurts]

No friend of mine that I loved cared for and admired dearly would be acting as you are now.

 

Do you have any friends LH, How do you spend your time, Is most of it spent alone?

 

I’m not here to walk on eggshells with you…. or tickle your ears.

[lonelybird]

Thanks IG... and please everyone forgive my spelling errors... it has been a long day:)

pricillia

Did you turn your bitterness in your life toward Love Hurts? why are you jealous of us? Do you envy our security and rejoice in Lord but you aren't willing to pay the price like we did? If you envy us, do obey Lord. I am amazed that people envy our consequences but don't want to pay the price.

[Love Hurts]

I don't want you to say you are sorry. I don't care. Apologies only mean something if the person is actually sorry, and I know that you aren't.

 

It is an unjust god who would send someone as hateful as you to Heaven, and punish someone as thoughtful as Pricilla to hell. Or me, for that matter.

 

Loving the freak out. Loving it loving it loving it.

Ya Ya Ya heard it all about how unjust God is.

[Love Hurts]

And you feel that you are qualified to dispense both.

Did you ever listen to your father?

[Island Girl]

pricillia

Did you turn your bitterness in your life toward Love Hurts? why are you jealous of us? Do you envy our security and rejoice in Lord but you aren't willing to pay the price like we did? If you envy us, do obey Lord. I am amazed that people envy our consequences but don't want to pay the price.

 

What?!!

 

I hope Pricillia got this because I doubt any one else could follow what you quoted and how this comment has anything at all to do with it.

[lonelybird]

No quick judgmental scathing reply from LH.

 

Hmmm.

 

Maybe she needed a nap.

 

My friends children have tantrums when they need a nap.

Same for you Island Girl

You were a believer, but you quit, not that Lord abandoned you, but you abandoned Lord. I don't know what made you quit, but don't turn your bitterness toward believers JUST because we did it and you didn't. Were your flesh desires or worldly things hindered your walk with Lord, I don't know. But do check yourself rather than attack believers who make efforts and keep their walk with Lord.

[Love Hurts]

You not only believe that homosexuality is somehow deviant, it also is representative of Satan and his evil.

 

Is this the root of your issue?.......homosexuality

 

 

Is this why you hate God; because you want life your way?

[Island Girl]

Same for you Island Girl

You were a believer, but you quit, not that Lord abandoned you, but you abandoned Lord. I don't know what made you quit, but don't turn your bitterness toward believers JUST because we did it and you didn't. Were your flesh desires or worldly things hindered your walk with Lord, I don't know. But do check yourself rather than attack believers who make efforts and keep their walk with Lord.

 

Ahem. Excuse me but did you happen to view all of the name calling and unjust remarks that LH has been flinging over the last several pages.

 

Including one that seems to be racial in nature and mocks those that may be using English as a second tongue? And wouldn't that one apply to you?

 

I am asking you to debate why you believe the way you do based on all evidence to the contrary.

 

If you think that it is "attacking you" then perhaps you are not strong enough in your faith to take up defense of your faith or preach to others who have differing views.

 

As far as "checking" myself, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am just peachy today -- all is right with my world. Thanks for asking!

[lonelybird]

Moai

You are bitter too. That's how I felt from your post. YOU can make a turn point for you and your family. Turn your energy in good ground, rather than destroy others' belief which make us happy secure rejoice.

Again, not that Lord abandoned you but YOU abandoned Lord along the road. but we can repent and come back to Lord. He is forgiving, His forgiveness is beyond your imagination, that's why Jesus our Lord got so many souls. we are sinners saved by Grace.

[Island Girl]

He is forgiving, His forgiveness is beyond your imagination

 

Um - no. You have shown how truly large an imagination we truly have.

 

Nothing is beyond a person's imagination. Your beliefs confirm that.

[Love Hurts]

Meaning "no I don't have any friends" and "my family hates me".

 

My father and mother are saved their children are saved. Their grandchildren are saved say for one… we are praying for her and have trust in the Lord she too will turn and be saved.

My father was and is a preacher unordained by God… he taught on his own to his own and was effective in the ministry of winning the souls of his family first.

 

Praise Jesus! I come from a large family of SAVED… Praise Jesus!

When we get together we worship and Praise the Lord. We share the latest of end time signs. We celebrate and give thanks to our Lord. We continue to care for others and reach out in the name of Christ.

 

We have it all my friend…God first in love and worship, family devotion; laughter, joy, peace, communication is open between us. We are a wonderful family in the Lord. And to boast a little we are pretty people inside and out.

We just love each other and our Jesus. We lack no good thing in the Lord.

 

 

As for you and family …..you may be the black sheep of the family are you?

[lonelybird]

Ahem. Excuse me but did you happen to view all of the name calling and unjust remarks that LH has been flinging over the last several pages.

 

Including one that seems to be racial in nature and mocks those that may be using English as a second tongue? And wouldn't that one apply to you?

 

I am asking you to debate why you believe the way you do based on all evidence to the contrary.

 

If you think that it is "attacking you" then perhaps you are not strong enough in your faith to take up defense of your faith or preach to others who have differing views.

 

As far as "checking" myself, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am just peachy today -- all is right with my world. Thanks for asking!

You did gang up toward LH, you all tried to bring worse side of her and me. You know what I am talking about. You were a believer once, but not now. why? we all, as believer, know that along the road we have to focus on Lord, or we would loss in the wind of life, in the worries of life. sometimes the flesh desires get best of us, sometimes worldly things get best of us. The failure of not keeping walking with Lord is caused by ourselves, not that Lord abandoned you.

[Love Hurts]

I am not side tracking at all, I am just trying to understand your way of thinking, and what attachments you have or don't have and how you got to be in the place that you are.

 

Do you have any healthy relationships in your life that are supportive and encouraging

 

Moai is male probably at this point I suspect a homosexual and hates God because he wants life his way.

His father was a minister of the word and lost his own son to Satan.

I am pricking Moais conscience what else is left?

We can walk through the Bible as his father did to no avail... this soul is a lost cause striving to find his past youth and cling to it and lost in the world.

 

He refuses to let go of today to embrace the teachings of his father.

So in order to feel worthy of his stance in the world he must denounce God.

 

Only then can this man feel whole.

[Love Hurts]

pricillia

Did you turn your bitterness in your life toward Love Hurts? why are you jealous of us? Do you envy our security and rejoice in Lord but you aren't willing to pay the price like we did? If you envy us, do obey Lord. I am amazed that people envy our consequences but don't want to pay the price.

 

L.B.

I appreciate your defense. I want you to understand this is somewhat fruitless and there is a deeper reason here…

 

This is a run a thread into nowhere constantly for a greater reason.

So what is the reason?

 

What is going on here and whom are we dealing with is the question?

 

Moai surprised me with his father is a minister. So what happened?

Then I see homosexuality come up…note I have seen this before… there is a reason then to hate God.

 

Also the statement that there are many other faiths out there aside Christian.

 

This is after a I posted at approx 15 diff faiths…

And this came from one that does not believe in God period.

So what faith.. Faith in who.

 

This is a whisper that its something more.

 

So my request is just come forward and the truth will set one free.

Call and orange and orange……who are we dealing with really?

 

This is not an individual that lacking background in the word of God instead one that was raised on it.

Where I am with Moai is asking to just come forward and state your business and who you do have faith in.

 

As it has been fruitless to discuss what you seemingly already know and denounce as truth.

 

I know there is a rule here Moai so…….Consider yourself asked.

[Island Girl]

This is not an individual that lacking background in the word of God instead one that was raised on it.

Where I am with Moai is asking to just come forward and state your business and who you do have faith in.

 

As it has been fruitless to discuss what you seemingly already know and denounce as truth.

 

I know there is a rule here Moai so…….Consider yourself asked.

 

How your tune has now changed.

 

I too look forward to Moai's response to this and your other posts.

 

So now -- just to set the record straight:

 

1. You have in no uncertain terms called him, his father, and his whole family "losers".

 

2. First you assumed he was female but while bashing you found out he is male. So then you clearly stated you feel he must be homosexual.

 

3. And then reign in your judgment of all of his family and state that he must be the "black sheep" of his family.

 

All the while never restraining yourself from these attacks nor apologizing for your childish insults.

 

Then you "boast" -- something your God finds distasteful and tells you NOT to do -- that your family is filled with believers.

 

Careful:

 

2 Nephi 28

 

28:3 For it shall come to pass in that day that the churches which are built up, and not unto the Lord, when the one shall say unto the other: Behold, I, I am the Lord's; and the others shall say: I, I am the Lord's; and thus shall every one say that hath built up churches, and not unto the Lord --

 

28:4 And they shall contend one with another; and their priests shall contend one with another, and they shall teach with their learning, and deny the Holy Ghost, which giveth utterance.

 

28:5 And they deny the power of God, the Holy One of Israel; and they say unto the people: Hearken unto us, and hear ye our precept; for behold there is no God today, for the Lord and the Redeemer hath done his work, and he hath given his power unto men;

 

28:6 Behold, hearken ye unto my precept; if they shall say there is a miracle wrought by the hand of the Lord, believe it not; for this day he is not a God of miracles; he hath done his work.

 

28:9 Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines, and shall be puffed up in their hearts, and shall seek deep to hide their counsels from the Lord; and their works shall be in the dark.

 

28:10 And the blood of the saints shall cry from the ground against them.

 

28:11 Yea, they have all gone out of the way; they have become corrupted.

 

28:12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

 

28:12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

 

28:13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

 

28:14 They wear stiff necks and high heads; yea, and because of pride, and wickedness, and abominations, and whoredoms, they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.

[lonelybird]

....

I know there is a rule here Moai so…….Consider yourself asked.

Ok, I don't understand the last sentence here, but I guess it means take care of myself?

 

I don't know who we are dealing with. But I try to keep peace within myself. As I know when my flesh take lead, the Holy Spirit no longer can speak through me. I cannot speak for other believers, as I know Lord is working in them, and they have different works than me, I understand that:) If the people we are dealing with here are used by Satan, we can always step aside, let Lord deal with them. As we know Lord always wins:) . The important thing here is we cannot let their bitterness, belittle contaminate us.

 

As for fruitless, NO. I dreamed that we found 10 keys to unlock people's hearts. But recently I dreamed that we found more and more keys:) . As long as Holy Spirit works, it is impossible there is fruitless. we maybe not know, but Holy Spirit knows who He talk to, who He convert to, who He fight to. but same time Lord want us, His sheeps, keep our rejoice and peace in our hearts, then He can speak through us.

Praise Jesus our Lord, we can always hope, have peace, joy, and love:)