Sufferings is result of our sins?

[Love Hurts]

God produces prophets, preachers, healers, and people walk on water right? What about St. Francis.... maybe I am like that dude and fawns eat out of my hand and blue birds land on my shoulder...... but mine are black cats and gigantic black horses.... and I can control herds of them with a simple movement of my hand? I can make a dog lay down just by looking at it........ satan or god...... who did it to me?

Yes this is deep and I am glad we are on this topic.

 

What is in your heart?

Whom do you pay homage to?

Is it God you give glory to for this gift?

Or is God non existent?

[a4a]

Yes this is deep and I am glad we are on this topic.

 

What is in your heart?

Whom do you pay homage to?

Is it God you give glory to for this gift?

Or is God non existent?

 

So I am supposed to decide who my boss is? What if I guessed wrong?

 

and what about those freckles on the back of my neck.... I have medium long hair so nobody can see them but the H......

 

oh did I mention I used to be a lesbian?

[Love Hurts]

So I am supposed to decide who my boss is? What if I guessed wrong?

 

and what about those freckles on the back of my neck.... I have medium long hair so nobody can see them but the H......

 

oh did I mention I used to be a lesbian?

 

I know of a woman that can bend spoons with her mind, she can move furniture and objects around her home via her mind.

 

She said she was cursed with this gift from childbirth… the reason; her parents were witch ad warlock. They practiced the occult and she asked for gifts of power be bestowed upon their child and so she to this day does possess these powers.

 

The female said I did not ask for this power but I have it and I don’t want to loose it.

I am accustomed to the convenience of it in my life.

 

She said, I do already know how to be free of them… and its through salvation.

But I prefer not to be saved and loose them.

 

I just wanted to add a similar story to yours with the knowledge of roots of origin to the power supply.

 

Do you know if your parents were into black magic?

[a4a]

I know of a woman that can bend spoons with her mind, she can move furniture and objects around her home via her mind.

 

She said she was cursed with this gift from childbirth… the reason; her parents were witch ad warlock. They practiced the occult and she asked for gifts of power be bestowed upon their child and so she to this day does possess these powers.

 

The female said I did not ask for this power but I have it and I don’t want to loose it.

I am accustomed to the convenience of it in my life.

 

She said, I do already know how to be free of them… and its through salvation.

But I prefer not to be saved and loose them.

 

I just wanted to add a similar story to yours with the knowledge of roots of origin to the power supply.

 

Do you know if your parents were into black magic?

 

You mean like lit candles and killed goats and stuff?

 

Then no.

 

They are college educated, very wealthy, business orientated. Maybe they got that way through evil deeds though?

 

I get so many comments..... daily..... one on Sat about my abilities. I had my Baptist friend out playing with my horse...... she said I have a power others do not over the animals. Spooky huh?

 

Beast master......... I got bit by a bat when I was a kid... maybe that has something to do with it? Vampire????? Are those real too..... I don't think so.

[Topper]

That woman could make a fortune doing magic shows.

She could also be a very in demand interior decorator. Just think how easy it would be for her to rearrange all the furniture in a home.

I often wonder why physics don't put out stock market predictions? I would think any talented Physic could make Warren Buffet look like an armature when it comes to picking stocks.

[Walk]

Psychic is a term relating to or denoting mental abilities or phenomena that are apparently inexplicable by known natural laws, since they seem to transcend the confines of the brain.

 

Physics deals with the elementary constituents of the universe, such as matter, energy, space, and time, and their interactions, as well as the analysis of systems best understood in terms of these fundamental principles.

 

 

From wikipedia

[a4a]

Psychic is a term relating to or denoting mental abilities or phenomena that are apparently inexplicable by known natural laws, since they seem to transcend the confines of the brain.

 

Physics deals with the elementary constituents of the universe, such as matter, energy, space, and time, and their interactions, as well as the analysis of systems best understood in terms of these fundamental principles.

 

 

From wikipedia

 

 

So Walk are my powers physic or based on physics?

 

Why is it when I go out with friends the server always gives me the check?

 

This was another thing spoke of on Saturday..... friends are amazed that this always happens.

[lonelybird]

So Walk are my powers physic or based on physics?

 

Why is it when I go out with friends the server always gives me the check?

 

This was another thing spoke of on Saturday..... friends are amazed that this always happens.

what server? computer server? what kind of check?

[a4a]

what server? computer server? what kind of check?

 

a sever meaning a waiter or waitress...... check meaning bill for the food and drink consumed.

[lonelybird]

a sever meaning a waiter or waitress...... check meaning bill for the food and drink consumed.

yeah, make fun

[a4a]

yeah, make fun

 

I am not making fun...... legit answer to a legit question.

 

do not jump to conclusions or be so judgemental.

 

that is not nice.

[lonelybird]

I am not making fun...... legit answer to a legit question.

 

do not jump to conclusions or be so judgemental.

 

that is not nice.

so what about those numbers 666?

[a4a]

so what about those numbers 666?

 

what about them..... they are freckles.... my H saw it and was teasing me about connecting them. They are there I looked.

 

I also have a M shaped scar on my leg... a perfect M..... no idea where it came from.

[Love Hurts]

You mean like lit candles and killed goats and stuff?

 

Then no.

 

They are college educated, very wealthy, business orientated. Maybe they got that way through evil deeds though?

 

I get so many comments..... daily..... one on Sat about my abilities. I had my Baptist friend out playing with my horse...... she said I have a power others do not over the animals. Spooky huh?

 

Beast master......... I got bit by a bat when I was a kid... maybe that has something to do with it? Vampire????? Are those real too..... I don't think so.

 

If your parents were not practicing in the occult....

How then you came upon this as a child I do not know.

 

I think you must have a sense of orientation somehow as to how this power is given you..via a feeling or a suspicion… do voices talk to you?

The orient has to be from Satan and not of God.

 

Its not what God offers… its not.. It’s what Satan offers…

… it sounds cool to have a gift like that and your probably a fun person to be around to watch these things happen at your will… But still the source is disturbing… In all your life what have others deemed this source of power to be from?

 

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

 

I am weak in this and then I am not… as I stand on the word of God I have to believe all of Gods word and it tells us this power is not of God.

How you got this satanic gift is beyond my imaginination.

My concern now is what is the cost of it? I don’t imagine these spiritual gifts are free as what Jesus gives is free.

 

However I would still speak to you, as any other unsaved no diff and say repent in Jesus name. The bad and good news for you is through Salvation you can expect to loose your current spiritual powers and they will be replaced by the Holy Spirit.

Come to the Lord…and He will give you much more in this life and in the next.

 

Thank you for being open and sharing your spiritual gifts … A4a.

 

PS… your freckles birthmark of 666 is just a co-inky-dink

You are not from birth marked Satans child.

 

As for your history of Lesbian...we are all sinners saved by grace and these are the sins we are forgiven of when we repent and strive to be Holy as Christ is Holy. None of us is righteous no not one.

[a4a]

If your parents were not practicing in the occult....

How then you came upon this as a child I do not know.

 

I think you must have a sense of orientation somehow as to how this power is given you..via a feeling or a suspicion… do voices talk to you?

The orient has to be from Satan and not of God.

 

Its not what God offers… its not.. It’s what Satan offers…

… it sounds cool to have a gift like that and your probably a fun person to be around to watch these things happen at your will… But still the source is disturbing… In all your life what have others deemed this source of power to be from?

 

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

 

I am weak in this and then I am not… as I stand on the word of God I have to believe all of Gods word and it tells us this power is not of God.

How you got this satanic gift is beyond my imaginination.

My concern now is what is the cost of it? I don’t imagine these spiritual gifts are free as what Jesus gives is free.

 

However I would still speak to you, as any other unsaved no diff and say repent in Jesus name. The bad and good news for you is through Salvation you can expect to loose your current spiritual powers and they will be replaced by the Holy Spirit.

Come to the Lord…and He will give you much more in this life and in the next.

 

Thank you for being open and sharing your spiritual gifts … A4a.

 

PS… your freckles birthmark of 666 is just a co-inky-dink

You are not from birth marked Satans child.

 

As for your history of Lesbian...we are all sinners saved by grace and these are the sins we are forgiven of when we repent and strive to be Holy as Christ is Holy. None of us is righteous no not one.

 

 

Oh no I was a good lesbian! I love lesbians! I like gay folks, black folks, midgets, I know a witch I like him too..... he sometimes wears panty hose... which is cool. I don't see any reason that they have sinned. They are all cool peeps. I am still a lesbian..... to me people are people and I can see past what is in their pants and choose to love them.

 

I think I can tell you a little about yourself as well...... I need to get in the right mood and setting to do so ... but eventually I will pick up your vibe and read you. It is a full moon tonight. Maybe I will seek you out once the moon rises over the mountain behind my home. It is cool to hook up with people out there. So I will catch ya later.

 

I do hear voices..... they scream at me. "you dumbass" ...... I hear that one often.

[Topper]

I do hear voices..... they scream at me. "you dumbass" ...... I hear that one often.

 

 

Gee I use to hear that voice myself, But then we got a divorce:p

[a4a]

I do hear voices..... they scream at me. "you dumbass" ...... I hear that one often.

 

 

Gee I use to hear that voice myself, But then we got a divorce:p

 

:lmao: :lmao:

[Moai]

pricillia, Moai, Island girl

 

Why did you gang up toward Love Hurts? Why did you try to drag out bad side of people? Do you think you are kind to do this? What are you afraid of? All of us are human beings. we all have good and bad sides, but thanks Lord He always nuture our good sides, and He knows our weakness. All of us need forgiveness of Lord.

I am Love Hurts's friend. And we have many sisters and brothers around the world. we have one heart and one body that is Jesus Christ, we all love same Lord, we know we aren't perfect, but we know each other because the one who love Lord have a gold heart. we don't lack of love.

 

Wow! A lot sure has happened since I left the house yesterday.

 

While I appreciate the sentiment of your post--and most of your posts, actually, I do not see how anyone pulled the bad side of anyone, at least intentionally.

 

I will reply to few of the following posts, but it seems to me that the Love you describe is self-evident, and that most people know it when they see it.

 

The last few pages of this thread demonstrate one of my main positions regarding religion in general and Christianity specifically.

 

To recap, Love Hurts called my father a loser, then my whole family losers, and then went off about my being gay. None of this was precipitated by anything that I said, save disagreeing with her god belief. When she said we should call things as they are, I did. In my post that followed I did not post one thing that isn't true, nor did I post one thing that Love Hurts (and I assume you) does not believe.

 

I agree that we should call things as they are, and if that means calling a belief delusional then that's the way it goes.

[Moai]

Is this the root of your issue?.......homosexuality

 

 

Is this why you hate God; because you want life your way?

 

Nope. And I don't hate god, as I don't even think that such a thing exists. I don't believe in trolls or ogres, either. Does that mean I hate them, too?

[Moai]

pricillia

Did you turn your bitterness in your life toward Love Hurts? why are you jealous of us? Do you envy our security and rejoice in Lord but you aren't willing to pay the price like we did? If you envy us, do obey Lord. I am amazed that people envy our consequences but don't want to pay the price.

 

While this was not addressed to me, there are a couple of points I'd like to touch on.

 

Pricilla doesn't seem bitter to me. Quite the reverse. I'm not bitter, either.

 

I am not jealous of you, I feel sorry for you.

 

What price did you pay for your security? I feel the same security, and it didn't cost me anything.

[Moai]

Moai

You are bitter too. That's how I felt from your post. YOU can make a turn point for you and your family. Turn your energy in good ground, rather than destroy others' belief which make us happy secure rejoice.

 

I don't know where you get this from. I'm not bitter. I don't have anything to be bitter about.

 

There is nothing wrong with my family. We are very close, and support each other and love each other very much. I am very lucky to have the parents and sisters that I do.

 

My father was a Baptist minister, but quit before I was born. that doesn't mean that he forgot all that he learned about doctrine, both of the Baptist church and many of the others.

 

My mom is still Presbyterian. My older sister, who was born-again while away at college (and with whom I shared my conversion experience) has since converted to Catholicism. My little sister, with whom I am closest, is an atheist like me.

 

You claim that your belief makes you happy. A delusion that gives you happiness is still a delusion.

 

You and Love Hurts are trying to destroy others' beliefs, too. When someone comes in who has a belief in god that differs fro yours, you trundle out the scripture to tyr to show them their beliefs are wrong.

 

That is no different than what I am doing.

 

Again, not that Lord abandoned you but YOU abandoned Lord along the road. but we can repent and come back to Lord. He is forgiving, His forgiveness is beyond your imagination, that's why Jesus our Lord got so many souls. we are sinners saved by Grace.

[Moai]

My father and mother are saved their children are saved. Their grandchildren are saved say for one… we are praying for her and have trust in the Lord she too will turn and be saved.

My father was and is a preacher unordained by God… he taught on his own to his own and was effective in the ministry of winning the souls of his family first.

 

Hmm. Why is the Holy Spirit not able to get through to the grand-daughter? If it ends up that she is not saved, are your parents losers? That is exactly the rationale you used to determine that about my father.

 

Praise Jesus! I come from a large family of SAVED… Praise Jesus!

When we get together we worship and Praise the Lord. We share the latest of end time signs. We celebrate and give thanks to our Lord. We continue to care for others and reach out in the name of Christ.

 

As long as they believe as you do. And how productive is that? You sit around with your family and hope for the end of the world?

 

Think about your "end times" scenario. Think of all the people who will not be fortunate enough to even be born once Jesus comes back.

 

We have it all my friend…God first in love and worship, family devotion; laughter, joy, peace, communication is open between us. We are a wonderful family in the Lord. And to boast a little we are pretty people inside and out.

We just love each other and our Jesus. We lack no good thing in the Lord.

 

Sounds like a cult based on family to me.

 

 

As for you and family …..you may be the black sheep of the family are you?

 

Nope. My family has no black sheep. Given how we tolerate the differences in each other--and in fact value those things the most--the concept of a black sheep is alien to us. Funny, but what kind of family would it be if the ostracized one of their own for being a different person?

[Moai]

Moai is male probably at this point I suspect a homosexual and hates God because he wants life his way.

 

Lo and behold, the gay bashing begins. The only reason that I even addressed that issue was because I didn't want this discussion to turn into some diatribe against homosexuals, and yet it did anyway.

 

Your suspicions are unfounded. I am not gay. Why is it that you cannot understand that I arrived at the position of atheism through reason and reflection?

 

You are right, I do want my life to be my way. So does everybody else. You and I differ in the fact that you want everyone else's life to be YOUR way.

 

It just so happens that my life, and lifestyle, conforms completely to the social norms of my culture. I am monogamous (when I don't have a girlfriend I have difficulty dating more than one girl at a time--much to my little sister's chagrin), honest, respectful and kind--even to those I don't particularly like.

 

His father was a minister of the word and lost his own son to Satan.

I am pricking Moais conscience what else is left?

 

As I wrote before, my father stopped being a minister before I was born, so HE was lost to Satan before I was even around, by your rationale. I did learn a great deal of what I know of Christian doctrine by talking with him and raiding his bookshelf.

 

I notice that the Holy Spirit is never blamed for any of this. If someone falls away, it is their fault, not the fault of the Holy Spirit. If a man who dedicates his entire life to learning about Jesus, even to the point in learning the language of the original text, feels called to minister to others, and is judged to be exceptional by others within his faith (and is rewarded by them) can fall away, what hope do you have? How could the Holy Spirit allow that to happen?

 

We can walk through the Bible as his father did to no avail... this soul is a lost cause striving to find his past youth and cling to it and lost in the world.

 

You have said yourself, and the Bible says that NOBODY is a lost cause. Who are you to determine that? If all things are possible through Jesus, certainly he could save even me, right?

 

It is so bizarre how you have concocted this reality of my life without knowing me, asking me about it, or even reading what I write. I think it is because you have a difficult time relating to people, and that you don't deal with them, but your preconceived notions of them. You are doing it to me now.

 

He refuses to let go of today to embrace the teachings of his father.

So in order to feel worthy of his stance in the world he must denounce God.

 

Only then can this man feel whole.

 

In point of fact I did embrace the teachings of my father, in a roundabout way.

 

Here's some insight into how my father thinks:

 

When I was a kid, I was told right from the outset that Santa Claus was a myth. When people asked my father why he denied me a simple child's fantasy, he replied, "I do not want my son to believe in anything that I know is false. I never want to look at me and have an inkling that I lied to him."

 

I have had some people sigh and pat me on the back and say, "Aw, that's too bad." As if I missed out on something. I think that it is cool and I wouldn't change it.

[Moai]

L.B.

I appreciate your defense. I want you to understand this is somewhat fruitless and there is a deeper reason here…

 

This is a run a thread into nowhere constantly for a greater reason.

So what is the reason?

 

Because you rarely address issues, but rather dodge them or spend endless time scripture quoting.

 

What is going on here and whom are we dealing with is the question?

 

I am sure everyone is asking the same thing--but about you, not me.

 

Moai surprised me with his father is a minister. So what happened?

Then I see homosexuality come up…note I have seen this before… there is a reason then to hate God.

 

You have got to be kidding. Homosexuality came up because YOU brought it up. First, you mistakenly thought I was female, then you asked if I was gay. I am sure you have seen it before, because you probably brought it up in that instance as well.

 

I told you that I am not gay (I also told you that it doesn't matter, which is true). But instead of acknowledging that you were wrong and off-base in your assessment of even what my gender is, you go off on how I must be gay, and even though I say I am not it is latent and that's why I hate god and yadda yadda yadda.

 

Also the statement that there are many other faiths out there aside Christian.

 

Yep. I have pointed this out to you several times. And you never answered the question as to why your faith is right and theirs is wrong.

 

This is after a I posted at approx 15 diff faiths…

And this came from one that does not believe in God period.

So what faith.. Faith in who.

 

I have no idea what this means, or what you are talking about. For example, I need not point out the inherent flaws in Islam because you don't believe in Islam. If someone wants to discuss them, I am all for it. You are just as atheistic regarding Islam (and every other religion) as I am. So why talk about it? There is just as much evidence for the other faiths you posted as their is yours, NONE.

 

Right now, though, you are certainly providing a great deal of evidence against your belief system.

 

This is a whisper that its something more.

 

So my request is just come forward and the truth will set one free.

Call and orange and orange……who are we dealing with really?

 

This is not an individual that lacking background in the word of God instead one that was raised on it.

Where I am with Moai is asking to just come forward and state your business and who you do have faith in.

 

I have no faith in any supernatural being whatsoever. How can I put it so you will understand that? Here it is one more time:

 

I do not believe in god. None of them--Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Vishnu, Odin, Pan, Ra, Osiris, ad infinitum.

I do not worship the Sun.

I do not believe in Satan, Loki, or Baal, Beelzebub.

I do not believe in angels or demons.

I do not believe that there are spirits in the trees.

I do not believe that astrology has any predictive value.

I do not believe in Wicca, or any form of occult practice.

I do not believe in ogres, trolls, leprechauns, unicorns, incubi, succubi, gnomes, elves, or goblins.

 

I do believe that religion is harmful to humans, and is detrimental to the advance and continued existence of our species on this planet. Not only can you see this readily in radical Islam, you are providing excellent evidence for this yourself.

 

If religion does not make you a better person, what good is it? It certainly hasn't done that for you.

 

As it has been fruitless to discuss what you seemingly already know and denounce as truth.

 

I know there is a rule here Moai so…….Consider yourself asked.

 

Ooohh, spooky. What you claim as truth is really delusion. I maintain that at some point you must know that, hence the constant Bible study, reading the "end-time signs" and all that jazz.

 

I have not had to go to one meeting to reinforce mt atheism. We don't have buildings where we meet and reassure each other that we are doing the right thing and thinking about things correctly. That would be stupid.

 

I have no belief in the supernatural. Period. I am here to ask those who do believe such things what evidence they have for said belief. And they, and you, have none. When that is pointed out and you find yourself in a weak rhetorical position, instead of admitting it you resort to name calling and wild speculation about my sexuality, my relationship with my family, etc.

 

Remember your fruits post?

 

The fruits of my belief system are to treat everyone with tolerance and respect.

look at what the fruits of your belief system are. I leave it to those reading this thread to make up their own minds.

[Moai]

We have read much of this....on L.S. let the bells ring....

ABOUT THE CHURCH OF SATAN

 

Its beliefs and practices:

 

The nine Satanic statements: These form the core of the Church of Satan beliefs. They were written by Anton LaVey. In abridged form, they state that Satan represents:

 

Indulgence, not abstinence.

Vital existence, not spiritual pipe dreams.

Undefiled wisdom, not hypocritical self-deceit.

Kindness to those deserving of it, not love wasted on ingrates.

Vengeance, not turning the other cheek.

Responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires.

Man as just another animal - the most vicious of all.

Gratification of all ones desires.

The best friend that the Christian Church has had as he has kept it in business for centuries.

 

Well, having read the book, you are somewhat off base. LaVey actually advocates materialism. He uses the trappings of Satan because 1) it wigs out believers and 2) he is of the belief that materialism requires structure and dogma.

 

I happen to disagree with much of it, and think its goofy.

 

The nine Satanic sins are: Stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism, self-deceit, herd conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxies, counterproductive pride, and lack of aesthetics. 7

 

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth are: These are 11 rules of behavior written by Anton LaVey in 1967. 16 They include rules governing conversations, behavior towards guests, avoiding theft, acknowledging the power of magic, avoiding harm to children, refraining from killing animals, and behavior towards others.

So Satan hadn't been operating until 1967?

 

Theology of the CoS: People have created Gods in many forms;

pick one that might be useful to you.

Which is exactly what people do.

 

Heaven and Hell do not exist.

Yes, unless you find such a belief useful. I disagree with both of the above personally. All god belief is delusional, whether useful or not.

 

Satan is not closely related to the modern (post 1400 AD) concept of the Christian devil. Satanists view Satan as a pre-Christian life principle which represents the carnal, earthly, and mundane aspects of life.

Satan is not a being, a living entity; he is a force of nature.

 

Human life is held in sacred regard. Children in particular are not to be harmed.

 

"Satan...represents love, kindness and respect to those who deserve it."

Black Masses (parodies of the Roman Catholic religious service) are not normally performed by Satanists (except on rare occasions for their entertainment or publicity value).

 

Seasonal days of celebration: The most important of all Satanic holidays is the birthday of the individual Satanist. Of lesser importance are: Walpurgisnacht (evening of April 30) and Halloween

(evening of October 31),

Solstices in June and December,

Equinoxes in March and September.

 

LeVey did refer to "Satanic revels" in his book "The Satanic Bible." However, he was referring to the seasonal days of celebration that various cultures observed between the solstices and equinoxes. These were Halloween (the Fall climax) and Walpurgisnacht (the Spring climax).

There is a widespread belief among conservative Christians that the term "Satanic Revels" refer to long, drawn-out celebrations held five to six weeks after each equinox and solstice. They are alleged to involve orgiastic sex and blood rituals of some type.

Christmas is a pagan holiday, co-opted by the Christian church. Look it up. So is Easter.

 

Some suggest that they include kidnapping, forced confinement, sacrifice and dismemberment of human victims. This appears to be an unsubstantiated rumor.The myth of Satanic revels may have originated in Modest Mussorgsky's composition "St. John's Night on the Bare Mountain" (popularly called "Night on Bald Mountain"). It involves "nocturnal revels, led by the demon Chernobog (often depicted as a black goat)." This was popularized by Walt Disney in his 1940 movie Fantasia. 17

Many Christian anti-Satanic hate literature lists other seasonal days of celebration. However, they appear to have been pulled out of thin air by the authors. They have no connection with reality.

True.

 

Rituals and ceremonies contain the following concepts: Names used include Satan, Lucifer, Belial and Leviathan.

 

Ceremonies are pageants, which are used to celebrate a person or element of faith.

 

Magic rituals consist of three types:

Lust ritual: sex magic which includes masturbation,

Compassion ritual to achieve healing or happiness, and

Destruction ritual (may include sticking pins in a doll; drawing a picture or writing a description of the victim's death; delivering a soliloquy, etc.). Destruction rituals are best performed by a group. If a person targeted by a destruction ritual is not deserving of it, the ritual will not harm them.

Yep. And they are really goofy and I find it amazing that people would engage in them with less than a tongue in cheek attitude. But they do. Nutty.

 

Male Satanists sometimes wear full length black robes, with or without a hood. But this practice varies across North America.

Young women generally wear sexually suggestive clothing; older women wear all black.

 

Many Satanists from different traditions wear amulets carrying the symbol of the Sigil of Baphomet. This is "a star which contains a goat's head, and surrounding which appear two concentric circles. Between these circles appear five Hebraic characters." 14 The star is an inverted pentagram. Although there have been many similar symbols involving the head of a goat and an inverted pentagram in a circle, this particular configuration is a registered trade mark of the Church of Satan since 1983. 15 It was first used on 1967-SEP-01; filed on 1981-DEC-14, and registered on 1983-MAY-3 as U.S. Registration # 1236878. It was canceled on 2004-FEB-07. Registration for a second version was filed on 2004-FEB-18. 14

 

The A.S. LaVey's book The Satanic Bible shows a symbol located over the Nine Satanic Statements. It is an infinity sign (a figure 8 on its side). A Roman cross is placed at the center of the figure with a second, longer cross piece added. This is not a Satanic symbol; it is an ancient alchemical symbol for brimstone.

 

Many authors, almost all conservative Christians, have described alleged Satanic rituals in which religious Satanists recite the Lord's Prayer backwards, or desecrate and use the host and wine that they have stolen from a cathedral. This is pure fiction that can be traced back to books written during the late Middle Ages and Renaissance periods.

 

When the Satanic Bible was written (1969), a nude woman was customarily used as an altar, since Satanism is regarded as a religion of the flesh, not of the spirit. She reclined on an altar that was trapezoidal in shape, about 1 m high and 2 m long and placed against the West wall of the room. Her head pointed South. A live altar is now rarely used in the CoS.

 

One white candle is placed to the right of the altar; it symbolizes the belief of Satanists in the hypocrisy of "White Magicians" and Wiccans because of the latter's insistence on avoiding doing harm to others. At least one black candle, representing the Powers of Darkness, is placed to the left of the altar. These powers are sources of energy which are currently unknown and hidden. Additional black candles are oriented as needed to provide sufficient illumination.

 

The language used during magical ritual is Enochian, whose words variously sounds similar to Arabic, Hebrew or Latin. It was revealed to Dr. John Dee, court astrologer and metaphysician to Queen Elizabeth I, through his helper Edward Kelley. Kelley said that he was in contact with the Angels described in the Apocryphal book of Enoch.

 

Satanic ritual tools: A simple Satanic ritual can be performed with a single candle and a Baphomet. However, more elaborate rituals may include the following: A bell which is rung nine times at the beginning and end of the ritual; the Satanic priest rotates counter-clockwise as he rings the bell

A chalice, ideally made of silver; it may not be formed of gold because that is a metal that Satanists associate with Christianity and Neopagan religions. In fact, Wiccans and other Neopagans use chalices made of various metals, including silver, and other materials.

 

Other ritual tools include a gong, sword, elixir (usually wine), phallus, and parchment. They and the chalice and bell are placed on a small table near the altar.

 

Rules of behavior: Prayer is useless; it distracts people from useful activity.

Ritual killing (of humans or animals) violates Satanic principles. Blood drawn from a victim is useless. Victims are killed symbolically, not actually.

Members enjoy indulgence instead of abstinence. They practice with joy all the seven deadly Christian sins (greed, pride, envy, anger, gluttony, lust and sloth)

If a man smites you on one cheek, smash him on the other.

Do unto others as they do onto you. This is the CoS' version of an Ethic of Reciprocity.

I agree that prayer is useless (evidence shows this), and sacrificing anything is stupid. notice, in the Old Testament god wanted animal sacrifice, yet now that is considered Satanic by some. It is true that LaVey doesn't think so.

 

Engage in sexual activity freely, in accordance with your needs (which may be best realized either through monogamy, or by having sex with many others; through heterosexuality, homosexuality or bisexuality; using sexual fetishes as you wish; by yourself or with one or more consenting adults). The ideal is a monogamous relationship based on compatibility and commitment.

Got no problem with that. Seems like a rational position. I personally prefer monogamy, as do most people in my culture. But to each his own.

 

Suicide is actively discouraged.

As it should be.

 

The Satanist needs no elaborate, detailed list of rules of behavior.

Membership in the CoS is limited to adults of legal age, unless a teenager obtains the written permission and attendance of their parent or legal guardian.

 

Political agenda: Termination of the myth of equality for all.

Tax all churches.

Remove any religious beliefs which have been incorporated in legislation.

"Development and production of artificial human companions."

The freedom for all to live within a total environment of their choice. 8

Equality of all isn't a myth, at least as far as the law is concerned, although we could certainly do better. I agree completely with the second statement. And the third. The artificial companions thing is weird. And the latter is already happening; it has always been that way.

 

There is some rationalism in there, it is true. But it does not follow that rationalism is somehow Satanic, nor that LaVey represents rationalism or atheism.

 

That would be like saying:

 

LaVey likes Oreo cookies.

LaVey is a Satanist.

You like Oreo cookies.

Therefore, you are a Satanist.

 

Flawed logic.