Sufferings is result of our sins?

[lonelybird]

No Heaven for you. Awwwwwwwwww.

I am afraid NOT YOU can decide this

[Island Girl]

I am afraid NOT YOU can decide this

 

No -- your God has decided. Already decided.

 

And there is nothing you can do about it.

 

Romans

 

9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

 

9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

 

9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

 

9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

 

9:15 For he saith to Moses,I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

 

9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

 

9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

 

9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

 

 

There's more scripture I could quote but these words from your God suffice.

 

Or are you going to dispute what HE said or post that things changed since then? -- How do YOU know?

 

Who are you to question or try to interpret what He said?

[Island Girl]

your logic cannot stand

 

Posting about logic are we?

 

Again, I have to ask, what was it the bible said about casting stones...?

 

*smite*

 

[Love Hurts]

That is ok you should be comfortable with your beliefs, and there are so many other beliefs out there.

 

I ask if you were born in a different part of the world you may have different beliefs right?

 

So you can not say that one belief system is better or more right then the other.

 

I asked LH this but did not get an answer so I will ask again.

 

If god created Christians then who created other beings that belive in other faiths?

 

Countries shown in dark brown are where Chrsitians are being persecuted for their faith. (Cuba not pictured, but included in these countries)

 

http://www.cvc.org/christmas/pray.htm

 

 

Christians persecuted around the world.

http://www.navpress.com/EPubs/DisplayArticle/3/3.6.62.html

 

 

WORLD WIDE PERSECUTION TODAY

http://churches.wcg.org/marion-oh/persecution.html

 

 

Muslims Can’t Stop Persecuted Christians from Worshipping

http://www.persecutionblog.com/2006/09/muslims_cant_st.html

 

 

The oldest on-going ministry for the persecuted church has launched a petition on behalf of Christians that are facing intensified persecution in the east African nation of Eritrea.

http://ke.christiantoday.com/news/missions/open.doors.launches.petition.for.eritreas.persecuted.christians/543.htm

 

Believers of Christ have emerged from every faith around the world. For many; to worship Christ comes with great persecution.

 

[if god created Christians then who created other beings that belive in other faiths?]

 

Man of his own freewill can dream up a god and have followers. A link to ten easy steps to create a god.

http://theblogs.net/user/celestialcitizen/10679/Create+Your+Own+God!!.html

 

http://www.apath.org/creating_religion.html

HOW TO CREATE YOUR OWN god/religion

IN TEN EASY STEPS!

 

Its an old practice that is still at work today.

[Love Hurts]

double post excuse please..

[Island Girl]

Believers of Christ have emerged from every faith around the world.

 

Of course because missionaries see it as their job to go "educate" others about Christianity.

 

"You're imaginary God(s) is false. Mine is right. My imaginary God had a son who died for you so it MUST be the only way. If you don't understand that I will bend the words in this book until you do."

 

Great.

[Island Girl]

Man of his own freewill can dream up a god and have followers. A link to ten easy steps to create a god.

http://theblogs.net/user/celestialcitizen/10679/Create+Your+Own+God!!.html

 

http://www.apath.org/creating_religion.html

HOW TO CREATE YOUR OWN god/religion

IN TEN EASY STEPS!

 

Its an old practice that is still at work today.

 

Yep it is a really old practice. In fact you follow one that was made up a couple of thousand years ago yourself!

 

Thanks for posting how that probably happened.

 

Is it empowering to know how it came about and that you've been duped?

[Love Hurts]

No offense, but that is just sick. You are gleeful that other human beings are being tortured and oppressed, simply because it fits with your end-time scenario. I would rather help them not be persecuted any more, even though I am opposed ot their religious beliefs.

 

Why is it that as an atheist I am more compassionate than you--even toward people who believe the same way you do?

 

 

The Tribulation will prove to be a good thing… The Jews will soften their hearts and will see Christ, as is the Messiah… and will finally turn to Jesus.

The unbelievers; the fence-riding Gentiles will choose during that time.

So that’s a good thing as many will come to Christ through the Trib.

 

And for we that look for the Lord and cant wait to see Him and be with Him, how can I describe to you?

 

For myself as a Christian the best way I could possibly describe looking forward to Rapture is as like when I was a child and looked forward to Christmas morning.

 

I look forward to it eagerly and joyfully. In the meantime as we wait on the Lord;I call you out from the world in the name of Jesus and say repent… and be saved. You were made for Heaven.

[Love Hurts]

Of course because missionaries see it as their job to go "educate" others about Christianity.

 

"You're imaginary God(s) is false. Mine is right. My imaginary God had a son who died for you so it MUST be the only way. If you don't understand that I will bend the words in this book until you do."

 

Great.

 

So basically all other faiths are acceptable to you but say for one… that of Jesus Christ.

Is that a correct assumption?

[Island Girl]

So basically all other faiths are acceptable to you but say for one… that of Jesus Christ.

Is that a correct assumption?

 

No.

 

I just don't think one stupid false imaginary religion should be replaced by yet another false imaginary religion.

 

And I find you trying to justify your faith by saying there are Christians everywhere ridiculous and not indicative of anything but how far you pushers will go to get people to believe in your imaginary parent.

[Love Hurts]

The Artful Dodger calling another out for dodging?

 

Hypocritical? I'd say yes. But then most Christians, or people of faith are hypocritical about something.

 

I find Christianity bends which ever way is convenient at the time.

 

Interpretation changes with whatever point the believer is trying to make.

 

And interpretation depends on the particular subscription of the believer as well.

 

What does your God say about casting stones again...? Hmmm.

 

I think you just broke that one.

 

Are you on your knees asking for forgiveness?

 

This isn’t casting stones but instead reproof. LB is trying to lead you out of darkness.

[Island Girl]

This isn’t casting stones but instead reproof. LB is trying to lead you out of darkness.

 

Yeah - by saying everyone else is dodging comments or questions.

 

You are an expert at this too - so it would be just as surprising if there were some comment about dodging coming from you.

 

That was the point about LB casting stones.

 

But thanks for playing!

[Love Hurts]

No.

 

I just don't think one stupid false imaginary religion should be replaced by yet another false imaginary religion.

 

And I find you trying to justify your faith by saying there are Christians everywhere ridiculous and not indicative of anything but how far you pushers will go to get people to believe in your imaginary parent.

 

Oh yes indeed there are Christians everywhere around the world. Check out the net it will open your open your eyes to Christians that have stepped out of their culture religion and into Christ.

 

Also clearly not all will come to Christ… the path is narrow. Many hear and refuse.

 

Its the heart that determines.

[Island Girl]

Oh yes indeed there are Christians everywhere around the world. Check out the net it will open your open your eyes to Christians that have stepped out of their culture religion and into Christ.

 

Also clearly not all will come to Christ… the path is narrow. Many hear and refuse.

 

Its the heart that determines.

 

Exactly what I said.

 

Why are you making my point for me - yet I see the futile attempt at a "spin".

 

It is not proof or evidence of anything else other than delusional people can get other people to believe in their delusions too.

 

I can go to the local Psych Ward and see the same thing.

 

Perhaps you shouldn't be bragging about that.

 

It is a senseless point and doesn't God hate bragging?

 

This is the second time within as many days that you have been caught doing something your bible says not to do.

 

So you are softening as you say in your rigid belief system. heh heh heh

 

[Moai]

The Tribulation will prove to be a good thing… The Jews will soften their hearts and will see Christ, as is the Messiah… and will finally turn to Jesus.

The unbelievers; the fence-riding Gentiles will choose during that time.

So that’s a good thing as many will come to Christ through the Trib.

 

I know that you believe that, and that is what is sick about it. You have no compassion now for people suffering now, because you think that said suffering is an indicator of a reward to come.

 

And for we that look for the Lord and cant wait to see Him and be with Him, how can I describe to you?

 

For myself as a Christian the best way I could possibly describe looking forward to Rapture is as like when I was a child and looked forward to Christmas morning.

 

I know, I get it. And you have been waiting for 2,000 years. How will you feel when you are at the end of your (probably) long life and Jesus has not come, and those people who you did not help or even consider died anyway?

 

I look forward to it eagerly and joyfully. In the meantime as we wait on the Lord;I call you out from the world in the name of Jesus and say repent… and be saved. You were made for Heaven.

 

I am sure you do look forward to it. That doesn't do a whole lot for all the people suffering, does it?

[Moai]

So basically all other faiths are acceptable to you but say for one… that of Jesus Christ.

Is that a correct assumption?

 

Nope. Not to speak for Island Girl, but in reading her posts she thinks as I do, that there is no such thing as a god, not matter how you describe it. All are equally imaginary.

 

I find no religions acceptable. She may differ (I doubt she does) but they are all the same. Your doctrines may be different, and there may be things about yours that makes it "special" and "true" but so do all the others.

 

And you reject all the others, right? Well, I just reject one more than you do.

[Moai]

Oh yes indeed there are Christians everywhere around the world. Check out the net it will open your open your eyes to Christians that have stepped out of their culture religion and into Christ.

 

There are Christians everywhere. There are Muslims everywhere. And some people do choose another religion than the one dominant in their culture. But this is rare. That says nothing about the validity of your beliefs, of course.

 

Also clearly not all will come to Christ… the path is narrow. Many hear and refuse.

 

Its the heart that determines.

 

yes, it is a difficult thing to maintain a superstition in the face of contrary evidence, but people everywhere seem to manage to do it. Look how many religions there are all over the world.

[Island Girl]

And you reject all the others, right? Well, I just reject one more than you do.

 

I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MOAI.

 

I too reject all.

 

Not, "reject all of the others except this one" and somehow try to justify that.

[Love Hurts]

Exactly what I said.

 

Why are you making my point for me - yet I see the futile attempt at a "spin".

 

It is not proof or evidence of anything else other than delusional people can get other people to believe in their delusions too.

 

I can go to the local Psych Ward and see the same thing.

 

Perhaps you shouldn't be bragging about that.

 

It is a senseless point and doesn't God hate bragging?

 

This is the second time within as many days that you have been caught doing something your bible says not to do.

 

So you are softening as you say in your rigid belief system. heh heh heh

 

 

If you seek perfection in another human being first… before you consider Christ.

 

Then you will never find Christ. Its too easy to find fault with others.

People will always let you down.

 

Its why we are all sinners and none of us is righteous no not one.

We are sinners saved by grace.

 

The only diff between saved and unsaved is we are washed in the blood and God calls us His own. We strive to be Holy as He is Holy. When we sin against God we will pay harder than the unsaved. Chastisement is from God to His own. We need to learn, to get it right and stay right strive to do and be more in His precious name.

 

Your focus is on men on earth… and measure men their sins or life style against their faith in God. You will remain lost if you focus on men and this world.

 

Your focus needs to be on God … then you can see yourself in His eyes.

I say self because ultimately each of us will appear before the Lord and be judged alone for our individual life on earth… it is then that the world or men on earth will not be with us as we will ultimately appear before Him alone.

 

So its good to only see yourself in Gods eyes… as one day you too will be before Him and be judged. Alone…

 

We cannot say my neighbor did it this way or that way. Its what you did that counts.

[Island Girl]

If you seek perfection in another human being first… before you consider Christ.

 

Then you will never find Christ. Its too easy to find fault with others.

People will always let you down.

 

Its why we are all sinners and none of us is righteous no not one.

We are sinners saved by grace.

 

The only diff between saved and unsaved is we are washed in the blood and God calls us His own. We strive to be Holy as He is Holy. When we sin against God we will pay harder than the unsaved. Chastisement is from God to His own. We need to learn, to get it right and stay right strive to do and be more in His precious name.

 

Your focus is on men on earth… and measure men their sins or life style against their faith in God. You will remain lost if you focus on men and this world.

 

Your focus needs to be on God … then you can see yourself in His eyes.

I say self because ultimately each of us will appear before the Lord and be judged alone for our individual life on earth… it is then that the world or men on earth will not be with us as we will ultimately appear before Him alone.

 

So its good to only see yourself in Gods eyes… as one day you too will be before Him and be judged. Alone…

 

We cannot say my neighbor did it this way or that way. Its what you did that counts.

 

You keep going back to this dribble.

 

I will say again -- and hopefully it sticks this time -

 

I was once like you. I was once a believer. I grew up as a believer and went to church with other believers. Some members of my family are still believers. Some are quite devout.

 

I went further down the path of enlightenment than you have.

 

I know now that it is all fantasy.

 

I know your beliefs are ridiculous as are the other beliefs like Santa, gnomes, fairies, unicorns, etc.

 

It is all just a story. And not a very good one at that.

 

The author(s) left many inconsistencies and audacious claims within the story that clearly should have been edited out or fixed.

 

Was there no fact checker on duty?

 

If I am going to give any praise at all to a work of literature it has to at least start with being internally consistent.

 

The bible is not.

 

Your religion doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Nor do any others.

 

There any evidence that it is more true than any other. Nor is there evidence that any of it is true.

 

I am not seeking. I am not wandering lost somehow.

 

I reject yours just as you reject all others.

 

You say one is true but the others are not.

 

I say none of them are.

 

I am willing to take a serious look at my belief system if you could show me evidence that your God exists.

 

Until then - no dice.

 

Oh and since you are SO convinced the rapture is on it's way - by any chance you don't have a time line do you?

 

I'd love to follow along with you as the events unfold.

 

People have only been waiting around for thousands of years for this to happen.

 

It has been predicted many times before now.

 

All of them were wrong.

 

But you are so convinced that you must have some special insight. Oh do tell.

[Love Hurts]

Look how many religions there are all over the world.

 

 

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Realize many Christians come out of other religions of the world?

 

http://www.omsakthi.org/religions.html

The Major World Religions

 

http://www.thunderministries.com/history/newamain.html

NEW AGE RELIGION, CULTS, & PAGAN PRACTICES

[Island Girl]

NEW AGE RELIGION, CULTS, & PAGAN PRACTICES

 

I realize you use this terminology to try to separate Christianity from the others to make you feel better about your belief.

 

However they are all religions. Just like yours.

 

And have just as much verifiable evidence to support them.

 

As far as paganism -- much of your traditions have come from the bastardization of pagan holidays to make Christianity "fit".

 

Bad pot! Don't talk to the kettle like that!

[Love Hurts]

I realize you use this terminology to try to separate Christianity from the others to make you feel better about your belief.

 

However they are all religions. Just like yours.

 

And have just as much verifiable evidence to support them.

 

As far as paganism -- much of your traditions have come from the bastardization of pagan holidays to make Christianity "fit".

 

Bad pot! Don't talk to the kettle like that!

 

If you don’t believe in Jesus and you have no other gods that you follow.

Since you appear adamant in your stance than why are you here?

What is your purpose?

 

Why not degrade some other faith instead of the Christian faith?

_______________

2. Islam: 1.3 billion

3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

4. Hinduism: 900 million

5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

6. Buddhism: 376 million

7. primal-indigenous: 300 million

8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

9. Sikhism: 23 million

10. Juche: 19 million

11. Spiritism: 15 million

_______________

13. Baha'i: 7 million

14. Jainism: 4.2 million

15. Shinto: 4 million

16. Cao Dai: 4 million

17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

18. Tenrikyo: 2 million

19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million

20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

22. Scientology: 500 thousand

 

Is your lot in life to destroy Christitanity?

 

As for Rapture we are to watch for signs... you can also surf net for end time signs

or signs of Rapture.

[pricillia]

You all may think that I am going totally off subject here...

 

But Do any of you believe in Santa Claus?

[pricillia]

If you don’t believe in Jesus and you have no other gods that you follow.

Since you appear adamant in your stance than why are you here?

What is your purpose?

 

 

See now that is where I think differently everyone has a purpose LH...

 

Everyone.