Why would I want to go to heaven?

[Enema]

... it's full of christians and all the cool people are in hell.

[Moose]

Is this a legitimate question/concern, or did you start this thread to aggravate people??? Seriously????

[Erik]

Mark Twain: Heaven for the climate, hell for the company.

[JackJack]

No one said you HAD to go to heaven. The choice is yours.

[Love Hurts]

... it's full of christians and all the cool people are in hell.

 

Hmm… at least you get an idea in advance as to who will be there with you. It wont be much fun. You should all start screaming now and see if thats fun? ... But don’t take a break … recall Hell is eternal

[JamesM]

Well, I have heard it said that if you can't stand an hour of church, how will you stand an eternity with God?

[sb129]

Hmm… at least you get an idea in advance as to who will be there with you. It wont be much fun. You should all start screaming now and see if thats fun? ... But don’t take a break … recall Hell is eternal

 

LoveHurts- a JOKE? good to see.

 

I I don't believe in god or the afterlife, so no worries for me.

 

But if I did, how can there only be two places? Alot of sinners were "god" fearing people, and prayed/ went to church etc. Are there different levels of hell? Surely I am not on a par with Hitler..

 

If only 144000 people are going to be saved, I can't see how lil ole me would be one of them, even tho I have never done anything bad in my life.

Just as well I don't believe, because i will be able to sleep tonight.

[quankanne]

ah yes, Billy Joel ... "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."

 

at first glance, Heaven would seem boring, but the pain of a separation from a God you love would be horrible to bear. Or, think of it this way: God gives peace, and Heaven is the ultimate attainment if you seek that peace. If you don't really give a rat's rump what happens after death, then you really have no worry

 

 

heaven would be full of Christians and boring people? oh, child, have you ever got a lot to learn. Christians don't have the corner on the market, they just know where the express lane is located!

[Pyro]

... it's full of christians and all the cool people are in hell.

 

I guess that some prefer to get a wicked tan.

 

To each their own I guess.

[sb129]

heaven would be full of Christians and boring people? oh, child, have you ever got a lot to learn. Christians don't have the corner on the market, they just know where the express lane is located!

 

Oh phew. thats good then.

 

If I am wrong, there could be a chance for my soul after all- so got all bases covered.

 

To the OP- being "bad" doesn't always constitute being "interesting"....

 

Most of the "bad ass rock'n'roll" types I know are so full of their own self importance- couple that with a penchant for the herb, and a conversation with them is like watching a very bad childrens programme on sloooow mode....give me a debate with moose any day.

guess its called maturity when you express sympathy towards the "bad" people rather than jealousy..

[IpAncA]

No one said you HAD to go to heaven. The choice is yours.

 

No kidding.

 

OP, if you want to go where you think all the cool people are then go ahead, shesh....

[Pyro]

... it's full of christians and all the cool people are in hell.

 

So what do you define as cool?

[quankanne]

If only 144000 people are going to be saved, I can't see how lil ole me would be one of them

 

faulty thinking, IMO, saying that "only" certain people will merit Heaven. God loves all his little chillun, and offers us all the same forgiveness, mercy and salvation. It's up to us to claim it, but not all of us do.

[EC]

LoveHurts- a JOKE? good to see.

 

I I don't believe in god or the afterlife, so no worries for me.

 

But if I did, how can there only be two places? Alot of sinners were "god" fearing people, and prayed/ went to church etc. Are there different levels of hell? Surely I am not on a par with Hitler..

 

If only 144000 people are going to be saved, I can't see how lil ole me would be one of them, even tho I have never done anything bad in my life.

Just as well I don't believe, because i will be able to sleep tonight.

 

"If only 144000 people are going to be saved"

 

Oh dear is that the number? Im f*cked!

[Topper]

According to a lot of born again Christians, They are the only ones worthy of heaven. Then again Catholics say the same thing. Mormon heaven is you get your very own Planet.

I have to say I do like that mark Twain quoat.

[EC]

Actually...I saw the preview for that movie What god has wrought or something I dont know the name..But its a new movie about the 10 plagues.

 

I remember sitting in the movie theater and laughing along with everyone at the previews. Commenting on which movie I would see and the ones I would wait for the DVD. When all of a sudden this preview came on and the movie thater just kinda went silent. It was freaky.

[Topper]

Is it a comedy?

[EC]

was that a joke? lol

 

Its def not a comedy. Its a remake of the Plague. The 10 plagues that kiled the gods in Egypt? Well instead of Egypt..it takes place now and it was quite eye opening.

[VinaAmez]

"If only 144000 people are going to be saved"

 

Oh dear is that the number? Im f*cked!

 

Me too. I never got the memo.

 

BTW where in the heck did 144,000 come from. Seems like that number would have filled up by now.

[VinaAmez]

According to a lot of born again Christians, They are the only ones worthy of heaven. Then again Catholics say the same thing. Mormon heaven is you get your very own Planet.

I have to say I do like that mark Twain quoat.

No offense here but what makes them think they decide who goes.

[Love Hurts]

LoveHurts- a JOKE? good to see.

 

I I don't believe in god or the afterlife, so no worries for me.

 

But if I did, how can there only be two places? Alot of sinners were "god" fearing people, and prayed/ went to church etc. Are there different levels of hell? Surely I am not on a par with Hitler..

 

If only 144000 people are going to be saved, I can't see how lil ole me would be one of them, even tho I have never done anything bad in my life.

Just as well I don't believe, because i will be able to sleep tonight.

 

Sb129,

 

I m glad your getting a chuckle here lol.

 

My post on the J.W.s is difficult to understand ...I read it and I can see how I should have left out what Christians believe… it seems to run into what the J.W.s believe.

 

It’s the J.W.s that tell only 144,000 are going to Heaven.

Its one of the reasons J.W.s are a cult.

 

In actuality the 144,000 are Jews… Holy Men that speak the good news of God during the Tribulation on earth.

 

The 144,000 represent the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

Juda, Reuben, Gad, Aser, Nepthalim, Manasses, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulon, Joseph and Benjamin...

Jewish names ...head up Jewish Tribes in a Jewish Nation- Israel.

 

The Bride or the Church of Christ is composed of all… races, peoples and tongues.

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I’ll show scripture that clarifies one of two places are our eternal destination and post after wards on degrees of hell and of sin.

 

2 Corinthians 5:8

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

 

Absent from the body we are present with the Lord.

 

We have an appointment at the moment of death… look at the rich man in hell. He had an appointment; upon death and he was referred to as the spiritually dead. He went to a dead place…. At that time Hades.

 

The Rich Man and Lazarus

Luke 16: 19 -

 

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

 

If you read this entire parable you can see there were two men; one ended up with God and the other in Hell.

 

Also recall the thief on the cross… Luke 23:

 

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

 

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

 

---Today not tomorrow or in ten thousand years… TODAY.

 

So we can know absent from the body present with the Lord or in Hell as the rich man in Luke 16.

 

Upon death, instantly our soul is taken to our eternity.

Our eternity is governed by our freewill on earth....by the decisions we made. By our choice to accept Christ or reject Christ.

 

Death comes to us all… eventually. [exception is Rapture]

It’s where we will spend eternity that matters and that again brings us back to our choices in life. That’s freewill and each of us has freewill to decide.

 

I hope this makes sense.

God Bless*

[Love Hurts]

sb,

 

We are all sinners saved by grace; if we 'broke one commandment we broke them all'. James 2:10-11

 

As for weighing of sin, please consider: 1 Jn 5:16-17:

 

What would be the purpose of "weighing sin" if not to determine the punishment?

 

"1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death.

There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

 

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."

 

Lk 20:47: "who devour widows' houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation."

 

Mt 18:7: ""Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the man by whom the temptation comes!"

 

Jn 19:11: "Jesus answered him, "You would have no power over me unless it had been given you from above; therefore he who delivered me to you has the greater sin."

 

As for Jn 19:11 "Jesus answered, You could have no authority against Me unless it were given to you from above. Therefore he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."

 

Consider the warnings to;

False Prophets and False Teachers of the word; in hell these will be made example of according to scripture.

 

Many may or may not appreciate the words of the prophet Mary K. Baxter in her hellish experiences as M.K.B. witnessed the degrees of punishment in Hell that scripture warns of.

 

… To speak of one here; she witnessed the hellish torture of a false minister in hell. His punishment was horrific as he was made example of.

 

2 Peter 2:1-6 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

 

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

 

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

 

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

 

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

 

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an *ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

 

Yes some sins are greater than others.

Some sins are not unto death; some sins are unto death.

Some sins unto death are of greater damnation; this tells us there are degrees of punishment in Hell for sins proclaimed, the greater damnation.

Sin is weighed and payment for; is in accord.

 

If interested this is a link

Mary K. Baxter.

http://www.spiritlessons.com/Mary_K_...on_of_Hell.htm

 

 

You can also burn your own CDs on her testimony and pass them out to your friends and loved ones.

 

http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documen...ur_own_cds.htm

 

 

I have heard many devout Christians say I will be forever changed, through a greater realization in what the Lord came to save us from.

M.K.B.s experience is a blessing to us.

 

God Bless*

[Storyrider]

According to a lot of born again Christians, They are the only ones worthy of heaven. Then again Catholics say the same thing.

 

Not according to what I've learned--Catholics believe no man (human) knows who is going to heaven.

 

Some days I believe in heaven and some days I don't.

 

On the days I do, I think heaven simply means being close to God forever, and hell means being separated from Him. So, you aren't kept out of heaven. It is just that when you die, He shows Himself to you. If you feel drawn to him, you say yes and he lets you in. If you feel repulsed, you say no and you get to be separated from Him.

[VinaAmez]

Sb129,

 

I m glad your getting a chuckle here lol.

 

My post on the J.W.s is difficult to understand ...I read it and I can see how I should have left out what Christians believe… it seems to run into what the J.W.s believe.

 

It’s the J.W.s that tell only 144,000 are going to Heaven.

Its one of the reasons J.W.s are a cult.

 

In actuality the 144,000 are Jews… Holy Men that speak the good news of God during the Tribulation on earth.

 

The 144,000 represent the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

Juda, Reuben, Gad, Aser, Nepthalim, Manasses, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulon, Joseph and Benjamin...

Jewish names ...head up Jewish Tribes in a Jewish Nation- Israel.

 

The Bride or the Church of Christ is composed of all… races, peoples and tongues.

 

Oh yeah now I remember now. A girl I knew was telling me all that stuff. Pretty interesting.

 

I almost forgot about the JW's.

[Love Hurts]

Not according to what I've learned--Catholics believe no man (human) knows who is going to heaven.

 

Some days I believe in heaven and some days I don't.

 

On the days I do, I think heaven simply means being close to God forever, and hell means being separated from Him. So, you aren't kept out of heaven. It is just that when you die, He shows Himself to you. If you feel drawn to him, you say yes and he lets you in. If you feel repulsed, you say no and you get to be separated from Him.

 

Storyrider,

 

I have had many Catholic acquaintances that never heard of soul salvation they think it’s a ritual concocted by organized religion.

When its actually scriptural and is the purpose Jesus appeared before men; to die on the Cross.

 

John 3:15

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

 

Titus 3:5

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he SAVED us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

 

We only need to ask.

Jesus died He did His part.

Now its up to us to ask Him into our heart.

 

Heaven is for us. We were made for Heaven.

The cost was paid for us at the cross.

 

If we can earnestly believe in Jesus [mind and heart together] then we ask. And we are saved.

 

Only just Ask ....and Heaven is our eternal Home.