Why would I want to go to heaven?

[Love Hurts]

yeah, lying is on a par with murder....

Oh wait! I covet my neighbours ass. Does that count?

 

 

James 2:10-11 Break one break all.

[bluetuesday]

And then… the Beast cometh.

 

dah dah dah DUUUHHH.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sorry, couldn't resist.

 

the beast doesn't cometh. the beast is already hereeth. if you can't see it it's because you're standing too close.

 

BOO!

[Love Hurts]

dah dah dah DUUUHHH.

 

sorry, couldn't resist.

 

the beast doesn't cometh. the beast is already hereeth. if you can't see it it's because you're standing too close.

 

BOO!

 

 

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:7

 

The beast is the Antichrist…he IS here and already at work;

He will be held back…. Until the Church is taken out of the way.

Then…. the beast is reveled to man on earth.

________________________________

 

(((( Oh you sound so ghostly B.T.)))

[lonelybird]

dah dah dah DUUUHHH.

 

sorry, couldn't resist.

 

the beast doesn't cometh. the beast is already hereeth. if you can't see it it's because you're standing too close.

 

BOO!

:laugh:

[lonelybird]

And apparently, satan sent the scientists the ability to create medicines, isn't that right Lonelybird?

Nope! God put creative ideas into their minds, no one can take credibility for themselves. Holy Spirit can heal. but God knows that many people don't have faith as big as a mustard seed, so God invented medicines, hospitals.....you name it

 

Praise God

[Island Girl]

Nope! God put creative ideas into their minds, no one can take credibility for themselves. Holy Spirit can heal. but God knows that many people don't have faith as big as a mustard seed, so God invented medicines, hospitals.....you name it

 

Praise God

 

I can't wait until Moai sees this one!!!!

 

Where is he?!

[Topper]

You would think that if God is as you believe, a Christian God. Why then would he, put these creative ideas in the minds of atheist, Jews, buddhist and others who are not Christians? How does allowing an Atheist develop a life saving medicine add Glory to God? How does Allowing Jonas Salk a Jew find a vaccine for Polio promote Christianity?

[a4a]

 

so I have a question...... why bother getting medical treatment, fight disease if heaven is so wonderous and desired? Why not be on your way as quickly as possible?

 

because no matter how strong our faith or spiritual belief is, we're still mere humans frightened by the idea of the dying process. Naturally, we're going to go out kicking and screaming if we feel it'll change the outcome ...

 

.

 

well I don't have the fear to die..... it is going to happen. Not a damn thing I can do about it. Actually if I found out I had cancer or some other disease with no way out I would probably do my best to arrange finances and other things for those in my life and shoot myself at will. No sense kicking or screaming if there is no way around it. No sense in fearing it. But you can control your suffering and the suffering of those around you by not lingering and being a burden.

 

so maybe satan did create some of the medicine...... false hope.

 

and hey why would any god want you to not snuff yourself out if you are suffering and being a serious burden to others?

[a4a]

Nope! God put creative ideas into their minds, no one can take credibility for themselves. Holy Spirit can heal. but God knows that many people don't have faith as big as a mustard seed, so God invented medicines, hospitals.....you name it

 

Praise God

 

I guess he invented nuclear warheads too?

[quankanne]

a gift of good to humanity is universal. An atheist may not care about taking credit, but in knowing that he has helped best he could. A believer takes it one step further by giving glory to the very God who put that spark of creativity in the person doing that good deed for humanity. The gift remains the same, but the value of said gift varies based on the viewpoint of the recipient.

[quankanne]

false hope

 

... is normal. And you eventually come to grips with reality. It's when despair sets in, because that leads to the mindset maybe you should snuff yourself out because you have no value. There's a huge difference between wanting to let things play out naturally (embracing death, rather than fighting it when it comes to a point of no return) and giving in to fear – for whatever reason*– and taking your own life because the natural course of death scares you. That's where Satan steps in and convinces you that you ought to do it on your terms, not let it naturally process.

 

BTW, God didn't invent nuclear warheads, just the short-sighted ninnies who refused to go one step further in finding a solution

[a4a]

false hope

 

... is normal. And you eventually come to grips with reality. It's when despair sets in, because that leads to the mindset maybe you should snuff yourself out because you have no value. There's a huge difference between wanting to let things play out naturally (embracing death, rather than fighting it when it comes to a point of no return) and giving in to fear – for whatever reason*– and taking your own life because the natural course of death scares you. That's where Satan steps in and convinces you that you ought to do it on your terms, not let it naturally process.

 

BTW, God didn't invent nuclear warheads, just the short-sighted ninnies who refused to go one step further in finding a solution

 

I am sorry but I think it is simply cruel to expect someone to be in pain and play it out.

 

It is not a matter of seeing yourself as having value, but one of the most cruel things you can do to a person is burden them with pain and a long lingering unaviodable death.

 

I don't think Satan is influencing me at all. It would be an entirely unselfish act to alleviate my family from the burden- I would cause myself to expire sooner simply to alleviate that burden on them - not satan, not fear, not lack of value for myself.

 

Then again I deal with death daily so it does not bother me as much as many I guess?

[Love Hurts]

I am sorry but I think it is simply cruel to expect someone to be in pain and play it out.

 

It is not a matter of seeing yourself as having value, but one of the most cruel things you can do to a person is burden them with pain and a long lingering unaviodable death.

 

I don't think Satan is influencing me at all. It would be an entirely unselfish act to alleviate my family from the burden- I would cause myself to expire sooner simply to alleviate that burden on them - not satan, not fear, not lack of value for myself.

 

Then again I deal with death daily so it does not bother me as much as many I guess?

 

a4a,

 

 

Some illness is of our own freewill, its how we treated the body. What did we do to it or put in it?

 

SOME ILLNESS IS FOR THE GLORY OF GOD.

 

JOHN 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

 

GOD WANTS YOU TO BE BUILT UP IN THE FAITH

 

JAMES 1:2 2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

 

ICOR.5:1-5 FORTIFICATION, A YOUNG MAN IN AN INCESTUOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS STEP MOTHER.

 

5. PRAY FOR SOME DESTRUCTION OF HIS FLESH......SO THAT HIS SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED.

 

_____________________________

 

Some illness is of demonic influence as we can see in Job of the Bible was attacked in the flesh. Demons have that ability.

 

 

CONTROLLED BY A MALICIOUS MALIGNANT DEMONIC SPIRIT:

MATTHEW 9:32-33.............MENTAL INCOHERENCE

MARK 5:1-20.........................CAN CAUSE INSANITY

MARK 9:22............................SUICIDAL MANIA

 

Special note: not all suicide is of an evil malignant spirit.

HEBREWS 11...... Samson was not demon possessed.

God kept his name listed amongst the saints.

 

HEBREWS 9:27 EVERY ONE MUST DIE.

 

We must all die from someting. Unless we are in an accident we will get sick from somthing that will take our life.

 

___________________

 

Sometimes the things we have concerned over in life… have proved to be bridges we never had to cross.

 

[a4a]

a4a,

 

 

Some illness is of our own freewill, its how we treated the body. What did we do to it or put in it?

 

SOME ILLNESS IS FOR THE GLORY OF GOD.

 

JOHN 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

 

GOD WANTS YOU TO BE BUILT UP IN THE FAITH

 

JAMES 1:2 2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

 

ICOR.5:1-5 FORTIFICATION, A YOUNG MAN IN AN INCESTUOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS STEP MOTHER.

 

5. PRAY FOR SOME DESTRUCTION OF HIS FLESH......SO THAT HIS SPIRIT MAY BE SAVED.

 

_____________________________

 

Some illness is of demonic influence as we can see in Job of the Bible was attacked in the flesh. Demons have that ability.

 

 

CONTROLLED BY A MALICIOUS MALIGNANT DEMONIC SPIRIT:

MATTHEW 9:32-33.............MENTAL INCOHERENCE

MARK 5:1-20.........................CAN CAUSE INSANITY

MARK 9:22............................SUICIDAL MANIA

 

Special note: not all suicide is of an evil malignant spirit.

HEBREWS 11...... Samson was not demon possessed.

God kept his name listed amongst the saints.

 

HEBREWS 9:27 EVERY ONE MUST DIE.

 

We must all die from someting. Unless we are in an accident we will get sick from somthing that will take our life.

 

___________________

 

Sometimes the things we have concerned over in life… have proved to be bridges we never had to cross.

 

 

Ok Groovy - you are great at posting the opinions and thoughts of others from a book...... but do you have any thoughts of your own.... do you use your own words? Can you think out of the bible box?

 

Illness for the glory of god? That is not logical or loving.

 

Children born with Aids for the glory of god? Cancer for the glory of god?

 

This god is not a nice guy. This god dude is bipolar at best. He needs meds!

 

Incest? :lmao: :lmao:

[Love Hurts]

Ok Groovy - you are great at posting the opinions and thoughts of others from a book...... but do you have any thoughts of your own.... do you use your own words? Can you think out of the bible box?

 

Illness for the glory of god? That is not logical or loving.

 

Children born with Aids for the glory of god? Cancer for the glory of god?

 

This god is not a nice guy. This god dude is bipolar at best. He needs meds!

 

Incest? :lmao: :lmao:

 

 

 

Many people have come to Christ through illness.

 

Sometimes through sexual sins; people gain transmitted disease.

Disease may cause them to repent and find Christ.

 

Its better to loose a body part and enter the Kingdom of Heaven than to remain whole in body and loose the soul into Hell.

This sounds horrifically unjust on this side of life.

 

Yet if someone that is currently in Heaven could come back and say to you, I gained Heaven because of cancer or Loss of limb… and profess that they wouldn’t have changed the circumstances on earth that propelled them towards Christ; to have gained eternity with Christ… Then you would understand the significance is not on this life.

 

In this life people die… its temporary..

Eternity never ends…that’s why its so important to consider it.

_______________________________

Incest? Yes Satan was behind the sin.

So the prayer is to God was for some affliction of the flesh… to curtail this and cause this individual to repent.

[a4a]

Many people have come to Christ through illness.

 

Sometimes through sexual sins; people gain transmitted disease.

Disease may cause them to repent and find Christ.

 

Its better to loose a body part and enter the Kingdom of Heaven than to remain whole in body and loose the soul into Hell.

This sounds horrifically unjust on this side of life.

 

Yet if someone that is currently in Heaven could come back and say to you, I gained Heaven because of cancer or Loss of limb… and profess that they wouldn’t have changed the circumstances on earth that propelled them towards Christ; to have gained eternity with Christ… Then you would understand the significance is not on this life.

 

In this life people die… its temporary..

Eternity never ends…that’s why its so important to consider it.

_______________________________

Incest? Yes Satan was behind the sin.

So the prayer is to God was for some affliction of the flesh… to curtail this and cause this individual to repent.

 

 

Satan causes incest..... neat.

 

Now really if god inflict or allows injury and illness as a final action to cause one to believe in god.... well that is kinda forcing it. Don't you think?

 

Sorry I don't believe in blaming or putting the responsibility of the deeds of man on a mythical creature named Satan.... however I will tell the electric company that Satan made me not pay my bill - so of course they should forgive me for that right?

 

I am kinda diggin' this Satan thing..... I can see all kinds of ways to get out of stuff in the name of Satan. Maybe I will substitute "My Poptart spoke to me and made me stick a fork in my husbands head"..... yeah thats the ticket. :lmao:

 

and if you are speaking of AIDS and sexual sins...... we can go ahead now and just step outside and talk about this subject. Honey you have no clue.

[sb129]

:lmao: God gave people HIV because of sexual sins?

 

 

:lmao: :lmao:

 

 

Once again LoveHurts you have shown your total naivety, IGNORANCE and blatant disregard for those who suffer from many afflictions.

 

What of theose who are HIV positive thru NON sexual sins? Babies are born with it.

Actually I won't even get started, you have shown yourself to be even less intelligent than I originally thought. It is not my job to educate you, I don't get paid enough.

 

LH, if you want anyone to even consider you to be a credible person, you need to get up with the play as a4a says.

 

READ outside the box. LEARN some FACTS about all these awful things you keep spouting on about in a totally ignorant fashion.

 

Moai is an atheist, but he can quote scripture nearly as well as you AND can argue constructively.

 

Moose is a believer, and he can do the same (most of the time).

 

a4a- satan made me eat the last cupcake. oops. sorry.

[a4a]

:lmao: God gave people HIV because of sexual sins?

 

 

:lmao: :lmao:

 

 

Once again LoveHurts you have shown your total naivety, IGNORANCE and blatant disregard for those who suffer from many afflictions.

 

What of theose who are HIV positive thru NON sexual sins? Babies are born with it.

Actually I won't even get started, you have shown yourself to be even less intelligent than I originally thought. It is not my job to educate you, I don't get paid enough.

 

LH, if you want anyone to even consider you to be a credible person, you need to get up with the play as a4a says.

 

READ outside the box. LEARN some FACTS about all these awful things you keep spouting on about in a totally ignorant fashion.

 

Moai is an atheist, but he can quote scripture nearly as well as you AND can argue constructively.

 

Moose is a believer, and he can do the same (most of the time).

 

a4a- satan made me eat the last cupcake. oops. sorry.

 

 

I will forgive your baked goods gluttony....... but you will burn in hell, but I forgive you so I am cool.

 

I cannot argue in a constructive fashion because I am too busy laughing on this end. Well except the disease inflicted on sinners crap. Now that pissed me off.

[Island Girl]

Incest? Yes Satan was behind the sin.

So the prayer is to God was for some affliction of the flesh… to curtail this and cause this individual to repent.

 

WRONG

 

How wrong you are about your own God - whom you claim to "know" intimately well.

 

How wrong you are about the book that you so maniacally quote and quote --

then, you post your own view and HOW DIFFERENT your thoughts are from what is actually written as you say by God.

 

 

Here we go -- I'm going to quote your book for you because obviously these are passages you either choose to ignore or don't know exist:

 

 

God saved only Lot and his family out of all of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

 

Because Lot was, according to the bible, a just and righteous man.

 

 

 

But first, in Genesis,

 

 

 

Lot allowed himself to get drunk and impregnate both of his daughters.

 

 

 

Genesis 19:30-36:

 

And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him. ... And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is

old

, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

 

But he IS what God considers "just and righteous."

 

 

 

2 Peter 2:7-8:

 

And

delivered just Lot

, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For

that righteous man

dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed

his righteous soul

from day to day with their unlawful deeds.)

 

So GOD didn't have a very big problem with incest it seems.

 

 

OH BUT WAIT!

 

There are some very specific things about incest and I believe it was punishable by death...hmmmm

 

Yes -- Here in Leviticus:

 

20:11

And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

20:12

And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.

 

20:14

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.

 

 

 

 

So I guess a man's father's wife, his daughter in law, and his wife's mother are off limits.

 

But God doesn't have a problem if it is your own kids apparently.

 

You can still be a just and righteous man in God's eyes and be a pedophile even praying on your own children.

 

 

NICE.

[a4a]

yee haw!

[Member3]

You guys take this stuff way too seriously.

[a4a]

OMG he is everywhere! :lmao:

 

and he is right!

[sb129]

You guys take this stuff way too seriously.

 

Man, make yourself useful and turn some water into wine.

 

I really need it today!

[Island Girl]

Man, make yourself useful and turn some water into wine.

 

I really need it today!

 

 

Isn't that the truth! ---

[Island Girl]

You guys take this stuff way too seriously.

 

When laws or biases that effect me or those around me are created or upheld because of some mythological being and the superstitions of the religion that revolves around the mythological being it is serious.