Tribulation on earth.

[Love Hurts]

Tribulation

 

---Many are aware of the Tribulation and the Antichrist. Many are going through the Tribulation. There is no reason to be caught unaware of his coming.

 

Many believers in the Lord have conflicting views as to who is going through the Trib.

 

I am with those that see the Church or the Bride of Christ Raptured first and then the Trib begins.

 

---The Trib is a seven-year period, the Antichrist revealed will rule on earth.

 

Revelation 13:13

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

 

---Apparently as he begins he is a man possessed by Satan and Satan speaks through him. Then he is wounded killed and comes back to life. When this happens he is incarnated with Satan in the flesh.

 

Revelation 13:3

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

Revelation 13:14

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

Revelation 13:16

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 

Revelation 13:17

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

---*What ever you do … do not take the mark of the beast… it’s an eternal death sentence.

 

Revelation 14:11

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

---His number is …666

 

Revelation 13:18

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the east: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

---Through the Tribulation many will be saved and follow Chirst it’s a winepress to make a decision as many are fence riders and will not choose. This is do or die.

 

---Those that follow Jesus and will not take the mark, many will be killed. The choice method of death will be … Beheading.

 

Revelation 20:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

---Know that many will survive the seven-year period …never receiving the mark of the beast and walk into the Millennial Reign of Christ on earth.

 

 

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 

29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATON of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

---Immediately after the Tribulation they sky will be black as night and then look for the second coming of the Lord to earth. The sky will light up at His appearance with His saints behind Him. Praise Jesus.

He comes to do battle for you.

 

Onward to better things.

God Bless*

[Love Hurts]

All the prophetic signs have been fulfilled that lead up to Rapture. Including the ever-growing number 666 … we are the generation to see these things unfolding.

 

The book of Revelation was written chronologically. Revelation 1:19 says:

“Write the things which thou hast seen, the things which are and the things which shall be hereafter” (past, present and future).

 

Chapter 1 speaks of the past and chapters 2 and 3 speak of the present.

 

---Time wise we are currently living in the book Revelations Chapter 3

 

we are approximately at Revelation 3:15,16 and 17—the cold, lukewarm, lackadaisical Laodicean church….

 

[and the future is shown in chapters 4-22].

 

 

---The next event is Revelation 4:1 where John says:

 

“After this I looked, and behold the door was open and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither…”

 

This is the Rapture.

Some people think this passage is speaking only to John but if you read ahead you will see that verses 10 and 11 talk about the 24 elders casting their crowns before the throne.

 

This scene must take place after the Judgment Seat of Christ in order for the 24 elders to have crowns to cast at Jesus feet. The Judgment Seat of Christ cannot take place unless all Christians are present. This would mean that the Rapture has taken place.

 

The next event in Revelation, after the Rapture, is chapter 6, which is the Tribulation. Since chapter 4 comes before chapter 6 (the Tribulation) then we must conclude that the Rapture does take place before the Tribulation.

 

---I believe we are resting on this scripture right now…

 

2Thes 2:7 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

 

The Antichrist is already at work and only Christ holds him back, until the Church be taken out of the way.

 

I believe the Antichrist is here he has not yet been revealed and He will not be revealed until the Church is removed.

As for how much time? All I can say is we are close…

 

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Daniel 2:32-42 describes the Babylonian, Persian, Greek and Roman empires. Daniel 2:38 states that the head of gold of Nebuchadnezzar's image was the existing Babylonian Empire. "Oking...Thou art this head of gold."

[Love Hurts]

In Daniel 7, all of the world empires portrayed by symbolic beasts are future empires - from Daniel's perspective. According to verse 17:

 

"These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth."

 

Whereas Daniel 2 identifies one existing (the Babylonian) and three future empires, Daniel 7:3-6 must refer to four future world empires:

 

The ten horns of ten Kings of ten Nations; Kings… the ten crowns.

The Order of the Kingdoms

 

Head of gold--------------------------------Babylonian Empire

Breast and arms of silver---------------Media-Persia Empire

Belly and thighs of brass--------------- Grecian Empire

Legs of iron---------------------------------Roman Empire

Feet of iron and clay-------------------- "Revived Roman Empire"

Stone that became a mountain------ GOD'S KINGDOM

 

And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse from one another. The first was like a LION, and had EAGLE'S wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made to stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. And behold another beast, a second, like to a BEAR, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a LEOPARD, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it."

Since the beasts of Daniel 7 necessarily refer to four future world empires, a plausible interpretation has been proposed with reference to the present century. Nazi Germany was known for its Panzer (Panther or Leopard) divisions in World War II, and the symbol of communist Russia is the Bear which has "devoured much flesh."

 

The Royal Arms of England displays the Unicorn and Rampant Lion, which is "made to stand upon the feet as a man."

 

This emblem of the union of Scotland and England is also the symbol of the British-Israel Movement.

 

The Eagle whose wings were plucked in Daniel 7:4 is an obvious reference to the United States, which government from its inception was the vehicle through which the English Rosicrucians planned to establish a New World Order.

 

Thus, the Masonic axiom "Ordo ab Chao" (order out of chaos) will most likely be the fulfillment in Daniel 7:7:

 

England.............Lion

United States..........Eagles Wings

Russia................Bear

Germany .............Panther or leopard

 

The revived Roman Empire prophesied in the Bible was well on its way to becoming a reality.

 

More states were added to this growing union in 1973, 1981, and 1986, making up the 10 permanent member states of today’s European Union.

In 2002, the Euro was introduced as the first step toward a unified single currency in Europe. Upon adopting the Euro, Portuguese Prime Minister Antonio Guterres raved, “As Peter was the rock on which the church was built, so the Euro is the rock on which the European Union will be built.”

 

The EU today is made up of over 25 countries; however the ten nations of the Western European Alliance have a separate status as full members, while those nations who joined subsequent to the original 10 have only associate membership, or observer status.

 

This 10 nation military wing of the EU may very well fulfill the prophecy of the beast with 10 horns from Daniel 7:7-8 and Revelations 13:1.

On this beast’s back will ride the woman that symbolizes a global religious system that is to appear before Christ returns to set up His kingdom.

The purpose of the EU’s creation was and is, ultimately, to create a European super-state or “United States of Europe”, as some have suggested naming it, that would eventually rival the United States in influence and military might.

 

In 1999, Javier Solana became the High Representative for the EU’s foreign and security policy, and through recommendation 666, he was given emergency powers over the military wing of the EU in 2000.

All that currently remains to create a truly revived Roman Empire is the creation of a permanent executive branch of government and the full integration of the new Euro currency.

With the introduction of the new EU constitution, the groundwork is being laid for just such an executive branch and economic system.

 

And a man to take the Head ... The Antichrist.

[Love Hurts]

“Knowledge shall increase” it is now possible to track every individual on earth.

 

Satan is not omnipresent he will be able to work out his plan on earth – world wide- through computer knowledge to know where every individual on earth is and who is a worshipper and who is not.

 

Communication to any place in the world in real time is now commonplace and the world moving together globally is our time.

 

The Antichrist will rule the entire world. How?

 

As we merge globally…we are going to have a one-world government. Antichrist will take the head.

 

You can see this is happening now. If you wonder how the U.S. will strip all constitutional rights from its citizens and have the ability to change at the drop of hat and merge us against our will into?

 

 

Consider FEMA powers have that ability to change this country anytime. So to imagine it could take decades to change the U.S. ... no … in a moment my friend life as we know it could be changed.

 

 

We are the generation of the New World Order. World Order was not possible in Neros day, real time world communication alone was a major lack of capability. Yet alone he lacked fulfillment of the Biblical signs. Daniels prophetic dream is political …it leads us to today.

 

We need to study the book of Daniel.

 

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Today's EU (European Union) in western Europe is literally Bible

Prophecy being fulfilled right in front of our own eyes.

Soon, 10 nations of the EU will combine together to fulfill its foretold role as the horrific Euro-kingdom from which the man of sin ("antichrist") will arise.

 

---Geographically, the European Union today rests upon the same terrain where the old Roman Empire was located 2000 years ago as the Bible predicts for this final world kingdom.

Economically, the EU stands alone as the world's most powerful & influencing trading block.

 

Also, 27 nations which make up the EU hold the "presidency" of the entire EU every 6 months on a rotating basis. So, once the EU country from which antichrist will arise becomes the EU's "president" again, then the antichrist himself will be sitting in charge of the entire EU, as scriptures predict for the End Times.

 

Clearly, today’s European kingdom is set right now for its final

End Time role at the hands of the man of sin, antichrist.

Bible prophesy on the verge of fulfillment...

 

[Revelation 17:8,9,10 / Dan.9: 26 / Daniel 11:21, 23]

 

Treaty of Rome 1957

1) Treaty Establishing the European Union

2) Rome, March 25, 1957

 

Today's European Union is antichrist's base kingdom...

Coming End Time Headquarters of today’s Revived old Roman Empire

[ Rev.17:9,10 ]

 

March 25, 1957 in Rome, Italy / Signing of the Treaty of Rome [which established the final Euro-kingdom as scriptures foretell; Soon, the EU will have 10 nations arise together to fulfill the FINAL End Time kingdom shown in Daniel 7:24 & Rev.13: 1-10 & Rev.17: 9,10]

 

[the 1st beast of Revelation 13:1-10; the final Euro-kingdom, a revived old Roman Empire of the End Times; the "6th head" (old Roman Empire of 2000 years ago) "whose fatal wound was healed....." & became "healed" 7th head of the End Times: TODAY'S EU. Rev. 13:1-3; Rev. 17:8-10 ]

the Great Harlot

 

 

 

The Treaty of Rome (1957) - The history of the European Union and European Citizenship

 

 

Times New Roman']Paul-Henri Spaak, former Belgian Prime Minister and President of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe nearly 50 years ago. He said :

 

 

We do not want another committee. We have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people, and to lift us out of the economic morass in which we are sinking. Send us such a man and, be he God or the devil, we will receive him.”

 

 

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[Moai]

Super.

 

Hal Lindsay claimed that the end of the world would come in 1988. Read "The Late Great Planet Earth." He later admitted that he was wrong (duh) and claimed that the Rapture would happen in the year 2000: Rapture; Implied in Hal Lindsay's revision. 1st said 1948+40=1988; Later Israel did not have land until 1967 War; 1967+40=2007; Rapture seven years earlier. He is still making End Times predictions.

 

What about Jack Van Impe? He has been on television telling us Jesus will be back any second now for decades. He even sells books and DVDs, which is ironic because the believers who order them could vanish before they arrive....

 

The earliest prediction of the end of the word was recorded in 2800 BC. The Assyrians were sure the end was coming soon, because of all the bribery and corruption--among other things. That was 4800 years ago, still going strong.

 

Jesus claimed that he would return before the generation he was talking to would pass away. Clearly,nobody Jesus was talking to is still alive. His prediction was obviously false. Matthew 16:28, by the way.

 

St. Martin of Tours claimed in the late 4th Century that the anti-Christ had already been born.

 

Roman theologians Hippoclytus, Irenaeus, and Sextus Julius Africanus all thought that the world would end in 500 AD.

 

There have been probably twenty or more declarations of the "End Times" over the last thousand years. And those are just the Christian predictions. I am not going to list them all, but are readily available to those who look them up.

 

More recently:

 

Oct. 28, 1992, Rapture; Full page ad in USA Today, on Oct. 20, 1991, placed by the Hyoo-go (Rapture) movement. EP News service quoted one sect, "50 million people will die in earthquakes, 50 million from collapsed buildings, 1.4 billion from World War III and 1.4 billion from a separate Armageddon.

 

In 1994, John Hinkle On Trinity Broadcasting Network quote: "The most cataclysmic experience that the world has ever known since the resurrection is going to happen." He said, God said, "On Thursday, June the ninth, I will rip the evil out of this world." TBN's Paul Crouch later said maybe something was happening invisibly.

 

John Hinkle and Paul Crouch believe EXACTLY as you do, Love_Hurts, and the men in whom you quote who are making your predictions for you. Why is the Holy Spirit ignoring John and Paul? Their network reaches billions for the Lord. If anybody could be right about these things, it should be them, right?

 

Many believed that the Civil War, WWI and WWII, the Six Day War, and many other events signaled the End Times. And they were all wrong.

 

The men you are quoting are wrong, too. The BIBLE even says so:

 

Mathew 24:35-36 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Jesus himself said that. (Let's forget for the moment that this makes the Trinity impossible, since if Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit were all the same being, then he would know...)

 

So your leaders are not following scripture, nor do they believe the Bible--nor do you--because the Bible is clear that nobody knows and nobody can figure it out. Jesus said that even HE didn't know. So this thread is meaningless BASED ON YOUR OWN BOOK. Moreover, you have been waiting for 2,000 years. I will say that you Christians take patience to the point of fault.

 

I reject all of the above predictions because they are silly. The whole notion is silly. The notion of an anti-Christ is silly, people rising from the dead is silly, and people being taken up to Heaven is silly.

 

I'll tell you what: If all the born-again believers vanish inexplicably I will be the biggest warrior for Christ the world has ever seen.

[burning 4 revenge]

Well Moai, I do think Christianity will end in the next one hundred years or so, which is an apocalypse of sorts. I don't know about Islam, I have a feeling it will outlive Christianity based on the current trends.

[lonelybird]

Well Moai, I do think Christianity will end in the next one hundred years or so, which is an apocalypse of sorts. I don't know about Islam, I have a feeling it will outlive Christianity based on the current trends.

Because of rapure? then Moai has to endure suffering after the rapure if he claims he is a strong warrior of Jesus Christ?

[Island Girl]

Well Moai, I do think Christianity will end in the next one hundred years or so, which is an apocalypse of sorts.

 

As Love_Hurts posted on another thread (I believe it was to you B4R) -- there's always hope!

 

This thought makes each day sparkle!

[Love Hurts]

No man knows the day or the hour. We are to look for fulfillment of the signs.

 

The Bible offers numerous signs to watch for.

 

---We look for them in government, in the church, in the character of men and in the weather.

 

---Increased persecution of true Christians: and a great falling away from the truth.

 

---When many individuals proclaim self as; I am god.

 

Luke 21:8

And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them

 

---Knowledge shall increase…. No generation has seen or done what we have.

Communication anywhere in the world is available to any of us in real time

via computer. It’s also now possible to track every human being on earth. Through chipping Satellite and computers…

 

---Also wars and rumors of wars… there have always been these…

but our focus is on Israel… and Israel only became a nation in 1948.

 

---And that number 666 as foretold in Revelation. Is now growing ever more popular in our time.

 

Mat.24:33 When ye see all these things...(Jesus' coming) near

 

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up,

and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

---When we see all these things BEGIN to come to pass, keep watch… for our deliverance is soon.

 

Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring.

O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

[Island Girl]

No man knows the day or the hour. We are to look for fulfillment of the signs.

 

The Bible offers numerous signs to watch for.

 

Luke 21:8

And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them

 

Oh good. I haven't met one person ever who claimed to be Christ.

 

I guess we've got a long ways to go!

 

Yippee!

[Love Hurts]

[i'll tell you what: If all the born-again believers vanish inexplicably I will be the biggest warrior for Christ the world has ever seen.]

 

That’s good news Moai…

 

The tricky part is even the elect could be fooled by the Antichrist as he will perform great wonders and rain fire down from Heaven and deceive men on earth. Many will worship and follow him.

 

Would you know in advance that the Antichrist is to reign on earth and at the end of the Tribulation Christ is due to return and do battle for you?

 

Would you know that if you took the mark of the beast 666 you would take upon yourself eternal damnation?

[LaughMachine]

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feeel fineee....

[Island Girl]

Would you know that if you took the mark of the beast 666 you would take upon yourself eternal damnation?

 

ooooooooooooooo SCARE-Y.

 

[Island Girl]

---Apparently as he begins he is a man possessed by Satan and Satan speaks through him. Then he is wounded killed and comes back to life. When this happens he is incarnated with Satan in the flesh.

 

More dead people coming back to life -- yeah, because that happens ALL the time. Why, just yesterday at work someone died and came back to life! We all just chuckled and went about our day.

[Moai]

[i'll tell you what: If all the born-again believers vanish inexplicably I will be the biggest warrior for Christ the world has ever seen.]

 

That’s good news Moai…

 

The tricky part is even the elect could be fooled by the Antichrist as he will perform great wonders and rain fire down from Heaven and deceive men on earth. Many will worship and follow him.

 

Again, if it rains fire (which I have experienced, by the way) and there is no volcano in the vicinity I would instantly accept Jesus.

 

People perform "wonders" all the time. I am not a big magic fan. but I have seen Chris Angel and Penn and Teller do some amazing things I can't figure out. But I know its a trick. Why would I sudden;y become less skeptical?

 

Anyway, like you, I would have to trust that the Holy Spirit would help me, like he is supposedly doing for you right now. All of this is contingent upon millions of people vanishing, by the way.

 

And, I am going to hell as of this moment anyway (right?), so I am not too worried about it.

 

Would you know in advance that the Antichrist is to reign on earth and at the end of the Tribulation Christ is due to return and do battle for you?

 

I know the Bible says that, and that you believe that. I don't think for a second that is ever going to happen...but, if millions vanish, I will watch and or participate in said battle, I am sure.

 

Would you know that if you took the mark of the beast 666 you would take upon yourself eternal damnation?

 

Yep. I know that now. I am as aware of what the Bible says as you are, it just doesn't scare me--because I know that it isn't true. The Rapture will be a pretty big indicator that I am currently wrong. I can say with as much certainty as I know what my own name is that it will never happen.

 

I am already taking upon myself eternal damnation, aren't I? So what's the difference? I would be retarded if the biggest indicator for Jesus' return happened and I ignored it. I don't know anyone who isn't familiar with the Rapture idea, either, so I doubt many people will follow the anti-Christ in any event. It isn't a secret, you know.

[Moai]

No man knows the day or the hour. We are to look for fulfillment of the signs.

 

The Bible offers numerous signs to watch for.

 

Uh-huh.

 

---We look for them in government, in the church, in the character of men and in the weather.

 

In the weather? Was Pompeii a sign of the Second Coming? What about the 1906 earthquake in SF?

 

---Increased persecution of true Christians: and a great falling away from the truth.

 

Where are True Christians being persecuted? I mean, there are certainly Christians being persecuted in the world, but in free countries they aren't, and they aren't likely to be. And, since most of the people who proclaim that they are for "truth" are actually boldfaced liars, where does that leave you?

 

---When many individuals proclaim self as; I am god.

 

Someone who proclaims they are god is delusional.

 

Luke 21:8

And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them

 

There is a man in Puerto Rico right now who claims he is Christ. He is either crazy or an idiot, but he made $1 million last year.

 

---Knowledge shall increase…. No generation has seen or done what we have.

 

Knowledge has been increasing ever since the Dawn of Man, and has been increasing exponentially in the last several decades. I resent you throwing yourself in the "we" here, since you reject the basics of biology (and other sciences) out of hand.

 

Didn't the Psalms say that there is nothing new under the Sun?

 

Communication anywhere in the world is available to any of us in real time

via computer. It’s also now possible to track every human being on earth. Through chipping Satellite and computers…

 

So? In most places you are filmed the entire time you are in public. It can certainly be misused, but it can also keep people safe and catch those who injure others, so just like almost every other tool, it is how it is used that makes the difference.

 

---Also wars and rumors of wars… there have always been these…

but our focus is on Israel… and Israel only became a nation in 1948.

 

Isreal has been at war a few times since then. Still no Rapture. Also, the Temple must be rebuilt, and the Israeli government is protecting the mosque currently on that site. Can't see that happening any time soon...

 

---And that number 666 as foretold in Revelation. Is now growing ever more popular in our time.

 

Really? I know that metal bands use the number a lot, but that is just because it wigs out people like you.

 

Mat.24:33 When ye see all these things...(Jesus' coming) near

 

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up,

and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

Uh-huh. They have been drawing nigh for 2,000 years or so.

 

---When we see all these things BEGIN to come to pass, keep watch… for our deliverance is soon.

 

Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring.

O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

 

I'm not a hypocrite. I have seen a red sky before (no Jesus). Why is it that men have been looking for these signs since Jesus died, have proclaimed hundreds of dates for his arrival, and yet he hasn't shown up? Given the track record of believers, I am not holding my breath.

[Moai]

Because of rapure? then Moai has to endure suffering after the rapure if he claims he is a strong warrior of Jesus Christ?

 

I think he meant that Christianity is going the way of Zeus and Thor.

 

But yes, if I am here after the Rapture I am in for a pretty hard time for seven years. I'll take my chances.

[Island Girl]

But yes, if I am here after the Rapture I am in for a pretty hard time for seven years. I'll take my chances.

 

Moai!!! I will stand with you! And we will be united in the fight against evil!!!

 

LOL

[burning 4 revenge]

Moai!!! I will stand with you! And we will be united in the fight against evil!!!

 

LOL

Lets not get carried away. Christianity isn't evil. I think it was a great step in our social evolution, but Moai and I would have a genuine disagreement there.

[Love Hurts]

Again, if it rains fire (which I have experienced, by the way) and there is no volcano in the vicinity I would instantly accept Jesus.

 

People perform "wonders" all the time. I am not a big magic fan. but I have seen Chris Angel and Penn and Teller do some amazing things I can't figure out. But I know its a trick. Why would I sudden;y become less skeptical?

 

Anyway, like you, I would have to trust that the Holy Spirit would help me, like he is supposedly doing for you right now. All of this is contingent upon millions of people vanishing, by the way.

 

And, I am going to hell as of this moment anyway (right?), so I am not too worried about it.

 

 

 

I know the Bible says that, and that you believe that. I don't think for a second that is ever going to happen...but, if millions vanish, I will watch and or participate in said battle, I am sure.

 

 

 

Yep. I know that now. I am as aware of what the Bible says as you are, it just doesn't scare me--because I know that it isn't true. The Rapture will be a pretty big indicator that I am currently wrong. I can say with as much certainty as I know what my own name is that it will never happen.

 

I am already taking upon myself eternal damnation, aren't I? So what's the difference? I would be retarded if the biggest indicator for Jesus' return happened and I ignored it. I don't know anyone who isn't familiar with the Rapture idea, either, so I doubt many people will follow the anti-Christ in any event. It isn't a secret, you know.

 

 

I give you a lot of credit Moai, your strong willed.

That same strong will turn around to be used for Christ will be awesome, and could keep countless souls from falling for the Antichrist.

 

The Tribulation is a winepress

This is the last and final chance for any and all that will come to Christ.

Fence Riders...they know who they are...they know of Christ.

They know the word of God. Yet have not made the decision to receive Him as Lord and Savior.

Many more come to Christ though the Tribulation.

 

---Unsaved we are all destined for Hell. I was you. The diff is Salvation.

To pamper or smooth it over - souls can slip away. A wake up call is required.

 

There are many views on when… Rapture.

Many believe the Church or the Bride of Christ is going through…

Some of the greatest minds in theology cannot agree on Church removed or Church through.

Better known as Pre- Trib Rapture and Post- Trib Rapture.

 

Heaven is a prepared place for prepared people.

 

I am a Pre Trib… The Lord has tole us to keep watch and when we see all these things begin our redemption draweth nigh …

 

The Bible is speaking to the Church and the Jews.

Some scriptures are for the Jews and some are for the Church.

 

We know the many Jews still do not see Jesus as Messiah.

The word tells us that through the Tribulation’ they will turn and Call Jesus Messiah.

That Israel will be saved.

 

Then we have the unsaved such as yourself. You’re a fence rider more than an Atheist.

If you see a sign you will claim the Lord. Many that think like you do will see your sign and stand for Christ. When you see.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

 

Many believe this scripture is talking about the Holy Spirit being removed.

It cant be… If the Holy Spirit were removed from the world. None could be saved during the tribulation. This is not the Holy Spirit but the Church.

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The Three Groups

 

Revelations 7: 13 - 14 and one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? And whence came they?

 

The answer?

 

14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me..... These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

This is another proof that the Church.... is in Heaven, not upon earth.... Why?

 

Why does John need to ask who this group is? Asking when did they come?

 

He knows the raptured Church in Heaven (Rev.4, verse 1), but not the ones on earth in this text.

 

These are Tribulation Saints, who have washed their robes and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb. (Martyred in the name of Jesus)

Please hear God once again; These are they that came out of the Great Tribulation..

 

That explains why John- who recognized the Church in Heaven- is questioning concerning these individuals.

 

They are new brothers and sisters in Christ.... though unknown to John..

A time when he and the church was already in heaven... And then this new group was presented.

 

Each group saved...has different duties to perform.

The Church is the Bride of Christ and enjoys the 1,000-year Honeymoon upon earth (chapter 20 vs. 4). They reign as rulers kings and priests.... (1 Peter 2:9 and Rev 1:6).

 

The 144,000 serve as contiguous followers of the Lamb and His Bride. .... (Chapter 14 vs. 4).

 

The Gentiles saved during the Tribulation Period will be Temple Servants, waiting on Christ and His Bride. They serve in the Glorious Temple ... (described in Ezekiel... chapters 40 – 48)

 

 

Note: Where are the Jews?

Chapter 7 the 144,000- this group cannot be the Church, for the church is already in Heaven. (chap. 4 vs. 1) Also the Church is not Jewish but composed of all races, peoples and tongues.

 

The 144,000 represent the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

Juda, Reuben, Gad, Aser, Nepthalim, Manasses, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulon, Joseph and Benjamin...

Jewish names ...head up Jewish Tribes in a Jewish Nation- Israel.

 

God Bless*

[Moai]

Tribulation

 

---Many are aware of the Tribulation and the Antichrist. Many are going through the Tribulation. There is no reason to be caught unaware of his coming.

 

Not with the Left Behind movies on TBN (I saw them they were so awesome! And by "awesome" I mean "so bad they are good"). The "Left Behind series of books is one of the most successful series ever. I doubt there is anyone in the Western world over the age of ten who isn't aware of it.

 

Many believers in the Lord have conflicting views as to who is going through the Trib.

 

I am with those that see the Church or the Bride of Christ Raptured first and then the Trib begins.

Of course. That is the more magical idea.

 

---The Trib is a seven-year period, the Antichrist revealed will rule on earth.

 

Revelation 13:13

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

 

---Apparently as he begins he is a man possessed by Satan and Satan speaks through him. Then he is wounded killed and comes back to life. When this happens he is incarnated with Satan in the flesh.

Oooh, heavy.

 

Revelation 13:3

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

Revelation 13:14

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

Revelation 13:16

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 

Revelation 13:17

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

---*What ever you do … do not take the mark of the beast… it’s an eternal death sentence.

Well, so is unbelief, so what's the difference? And why is Satan in a sword fight? Can't he get a gun? And "one of his heads"? I would think that a sentient being that can get into a sword fight who also had more than one head would be a giveaway that he is something other than human. Or does this mean that Satan inhabits conjoined twins?

 

Revelation 14:11

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

---His number is …666

Yep. Iron Maiden has a really good song about it.

 

Revelation 13:18

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the east: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

---Through the Tribulation many will be saved and follow Chirst it’s a winepress to make a decision as many are fence riders and will not choose. This is do or die.

As opposed to now? If I were to die tonight I'd go to Hell, according to your mythos. So (given that I miss the Rapture or something) I would be no worse off taking the Mark. No big deal.

 

---Those that follow Jesus and will not take the mark, many will be killed. The choice method of death will be … Beheading.

There are worse ways to go. I'd take a beheading if it meant life in Heaven for me, which I would know it would because the Rapture happened.

 

Revelation 20:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

---Know that many will survive the seven-year period …never receiving the mark of the beast and walk into the Millennial Reign of Christ on earth.

No, their souls are with Christ, so they died. They were beheaded. Where in the above does it say many survive?

 

 

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Well, the Bible is right about the directions the sun rises and sets in. Wonders never cease.

 

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

By "eagles" doesn't he mean "vultures"? Eagles don't eat carcasses.

 

29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATON of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Well, if the Sun goes black then the moon by definition will not shine at night. The moon does not give off light; it reflects the light of the Sun. Amazing god didn't know this (he did inspire this author, did he not?)

 

If the stars fall from heaven, the closest one must fall 4.4 light years before this event, or you'd never know it. So, since the stars we see at night have fallen already, as most stars are hundreds of thousands of light years from here.

 

I have no idea what the powers of the Heavens are.

 

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Impressive. Most impressive.

 

---Immediately after the Tribulation they sky will be black as night and then look for the second coming of the Lord to earth. The sky will light up at His appearance with His saints behind Him. Praise Jesus.

He comes to do battle for you.

 

Onward to better things.

God Bless*

Huh. Well, at night the sky is black as night, so I am not sure what this means. Of course, every star in the Universe (well, the ones visible from Earth anyway) have been snuffed out at various times so that they disappear simultaneously. That explains what "black as night" means. Is our Sun part of this? When the sky lights up at his appearance does that mean that the sun comes up, or the Earth doesn't need a sun anymore because of the light of Jesus, or what? And what about the people living on the other side of the planet when Jesus shows up for battle? They won't be able to see Jesus' light. How will they know when it is over? Do they just sit in the dark and wait, or what?

[Moai]

I give you a lot of credit Moai, your strong willed.

That same strong will turn around to be used for Christ will be awesome, and could keep countless souls from falling for the Antichrist.

 

Let's hope so, if it comes to that. I am not sure what my will has to do with any of this.

 

The Tribulation is a winepress

This is the last and final chance for any and all that will come to Christ.

Fence Riders...they know who they are...they know of Christ.

They know the word of God. Yet have not made the decision to receive Him as Lord and Savior.

Many more come to Christ though the Tribulation.

 

And then there are those of us not sitting on the fence at all, but rejecting the whole thing.

 

---Unsaved we are all destined for Hell. I was you. The diff is Salvation.

To pamper or smooth it over - souls can slip away. A wake up call is required.

 

And I was you. I once believed as you do. But now I don't. I like it this way much better.

 

There are many views on when… Rapture.

Many believe the Church or the Bride of Christ is going through…

Some of the greatest minds in theology cannot agree on Church removed or Church through.

Better known as Pre- Trib Rapture and Post- Trib Rapture.

 

Heaven is a prepared place for prepared people.

 

I am a Pre Trib… The Lord has tole us to keep watch and when we see all these things begin our redemption draweth nigh …

 

Do "post-tribs" go to Hell? How come the Holy Spirit leads them to believe that way?

 

The Bible is speaking to the Church and the Jews.

Some scriptures are for the Jews and some are for the Church.

 

Then why include the parts for the Jews in your Bible?

 

We know the many Jews still do not see Jesus as Messiah.

The word tells us that through the Tribulation’ they will turn and Call Jesus Messiah.

That Israel will be saved.

 

No Jews do. It's complicated, but I think once you accept Jesus you would cease to be Jewish. COnsidering "Jewish" to be an ethnicity is murky.

 

Then we have the unsaved such as yourself. You’re a fence rider more than an Atheist.

If you see a sign you will claim the Lord. Many that think like you do will see your sign and stand for Christ. When you see.

 

No, I am probably the most strident atheist you will ever interact with. I don't for a second think any of this is going to happen, now, in a few years from now, or EVER.

 

I don't believe that the world is going to end in 2012, either (I think the Mayans suggest that.)

 

In order to believe in god, I would require a very big sign. The Rapture would certainly qualify. Just because I acknowledge that it doesn't follow that I remotely consider it a possibility.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

 

Many believe this scripture is talking about the Holy Spirit being removed.

It cant be… If the Holy Spirit were removed from the world. None could be saved during the tribulation. This is not the Holy Spirit but the Church.

 

Oh, that's good to know. It was keeping me up nights wondering where the Holy Spirit was going to be during all of this.

_________________________________________________

 

The Three Groups

 

Revelations 7: 13 - 14 and one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? And whence came they?

 

The answer?

 

14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me..... These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

Oh, lamb's blood is like bleach. Cool.

 

This is another proof that the Church.... is in Heaven, not upon earth.... Why?

 

Why does John need to ask who this group is? Asking when did they come?

 

He knows the raptured Church in Heaven (Rev.4, verse 1), but not the ones on earth in this text.

 

These are Tribulation Saints, who have washed their robes and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb. (Martyred in the name of Jesus)

Please hear God once again; These are they that came out of the Great Tribulation..

 

I don't hear god, I hear someone who is very superstitious, or maybe on drugs, rambling about impossible events. I mean, the fact that you really believe this without a shred of doubt almost makes me feel sorry for you. Almost.

 

That explains why John- who recognized the Church in Heaven- is questioning concerning these individuals.

 

They are new brothers and sisters in Christ.... though unknown to John..

A time when he and the church was already in heaven... And then this new group was presented.

 

Each group saved...has different duties to perform.

The Church is the Bride of Christ and enjoys the 1,000-year Honeymoon upon earth (chapter 20 vs. 4). They reign as rulers kings and priests.... (1 Peter 2:9 and Rev 1:6).

 

Ah, believe now and get rewarded LATER. Neat trick. With an idea like that it would be pretty easy to control people who bought it, no?

 

The 144,000 serve as contiguous followers of the Lamb and His Bride. .... (Chapter 14 vs. 4).

 

The Gentiles saved during the Tribulation Period will be Temple Servants, waiting on Christ and His Bride. They serve in the Glorious Temple ... (described in Ezekiel... chapters 40 – 48)

 

Awesome. So I have a thousand years of being a bellhop to look forward to.

 

Note: Where are the Jews?

Chapter 7 the 144,000- this group cannot be the Church, for the church is already in Heaven. (chap. 4 vs. 1) Also the Church is not Jewish but composed of all races, peoples and tongues.

 

The 144,000 represent the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

Juda, Reuben, Gad, Aser, Nepthalim, Manasses, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulon, Joseph and Benjamin...

Jewish names ...head up Jewish Tribes in a Jewish Nation- Israel.

 

God Bless*

 

Wow, it all makes such sense now. Is there a reason you started this thread? I mean, you could have just said, "I encourage all my fellow believers to study up on the Last Days, as it would seem that they are drawing nigh." And beyond that, why do you care? You won't be here--or at least you believe that you won't. If you are using this as an evangelical tool, wouldn't it be better to concentrate on the "Good News"? If someone doesn't believe in Jesus in the first place everything you are posting is just meaningless superstition and nonsense.

[Moai]

Lets not get carried away. Christianity isn't evil. I think it was a great step in our social evolution, but Moai and I would have a genuine disagreement there.

 

You would be right.

 

I think that religion in general is harmful and dangerous, and Christianity is one that is at the top of the list. It is certainly one of the best if you want to do evil, and its members excel at it.

[Moai]

Lets not get carried away. Christianity isn't evil. I think it was a great step in our social evolution, but Moai and I would have a genuine disagreement there.

 

I think she was referring to us being here after the Rapture, anyway.

[Love Hurts]

Check out a few links on end time signs

 

http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.php

 

New World Order

http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm

 

FEMA CAMPS

http://www.rense.com/general17/statebystate.htm

 

 

FEMA

http://www.greatdreams.com/concentration.htm

 

 

YOU TUBE FEMA CAMPS

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FEMA+CAMPS

 

 

The mention of our governments ability to stop Constitutional Rights verbalized;

 

 

 

 

Realize that our Constitutional rights are now set up to be lost in a moment.

Not decades…in a moment. We will be changed and forced into.

 

 

 

FEMA Executive Orders under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by which Constitutional power is restored.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fema_executive_orders.htm