Things you believe in.

[Topper]

One of the things I believe in is UFOs that right flying saucers and little green men or is it gray men?

I have no idea of what they are or where they are from. From what i have read and tapes that i have seen There is something going on out there. Most reports do turn out to be a hoax or can be explained away. There are still other sightings that you just can't dismiss. Some of the reports are from very credible people. Other sighting have been witnessed by hundreds of people.

I lived in Mexico for a time in the Mid 1970's one day we took a drive down the coast to a small fishing village about a hour and1/2 North of Porta Villarta. The Village was called Salulitos It is on a very beautiful section of the Pacific coast of Mexico. It had been the custom of the local fishermen to get up before dawn and head out to sea. They started seeing strange lights over the Ocean in those predawn hours and it was freaking them out. They then would not go out to sea unless it was day light. Later they started seeing those lights at night from the beach and strange objects in the sky. My friend Neil and myself did not know what to think. We never saw anything. It was a few months after that, that there were a great many sighting of UFOs over Mexico City. One is said to have shadowed a jet airliner. I have heard the cockpit recording of that encounter.

I have never seen one. Maybe someday I will.

[Pyro]

I feel the same way about UFO's that I do about ghosts: they are not real and the only way for me to ever believe in that is to witness it myself.

 

The things that I do believe in: the afterlife, karma, and fate.

[boshemia]

I remain undecided on a great many things, I haven't had enough evidence to make a solid decision yet. The only thing I have seen and felt for myself is my Grandmother's ghost cat. Laying in bed I felt the cat walk across the bed, curl up next to me and start to purr... only there was nothing there.

 

I thought it was my imagination until my cousin asked me if I had ever felt anything strange in that certain bedroom... We were discussing it and my Mother's face turned white... she is a Christian and doesn't believe in ghosts but she admits she felt "something" I'm not even certain what I believe about the cat, only that we have all felt it but none of us can explain it.

 

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I do believe in personal responsibility for what we say and do, I do believe that everything we give comes back to us eventually, and therefore I strive to do good in this world. Call it Karma, call it the threfold principle, call it the golden rule... I truly believe I was put here to make the world a better place, even if it is only a small difference, a difference none the less...

 

I believe that one should never let religion come between themselves and a relationship with God. I believe in God, but I don't think God believes in religion any more than I do...

 

Other than that I don't guess any of the unexplained phenomena of our world had affected me enough to really give it much thought one way or the other.

[boshemia]

My favorite believe speech...

 

"I believe in the soul... the small of a woman's back, the hanging curveball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe that there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing AstroTurf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, softcore pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days. -- Crash Davis (Kevin Costner), Bull Durham"

[pricillia]

I believe that we all have a mission or a purpose and I believe we learn lessons that stay with us for a lifetime.

 

I believe that you and I are important to so many people and if we were gone life will go on but it will have a difference to those you leave behind.

 

I believe that there so much beauty in the world and we should not take it for grantid because one day it could all be gone.

 

I believe that I am still learning about life and love, and never want to stop.

 

I love Astrology but do not know if there is truth to it, but it is fun.

 

I do believe in God, but as far as religion goes I believe that organized religion is all for profit and profit only leaving so many to have false hopes when they should look within for strength and not be fooled by greed, or hopes of perfection.

 

I believe we should value and appreciate what and who we have in our lives.

 

I firmly believe that beauty is only skin deep

[Topper]

I believe I'm going get some chinese take out and have a Beer:laugh:

[a4a]

I believe if I recall correctly the french govt just opened it's UFO files online..... you will have to google it. But it is the first time a govt (which I believe is France) has opened up their files on a site.... supposedly they are some cases that do indeed prove ET's exist there....... haven't looked myself as the site was overwhelmed on opening day.

 

Never got back to thinking about it until now.

[laRubiaBonita]

i believe there are UFO's.

i think that there are many gods with different experimental worlds.... like a science project or an ant farm, our earth is just one. i think that the gods like to mix it up, so they send some of their critters to our world, our god sends us over to theirs......

 

i believe in ghosts. i actually heard a voice in my friends basement a day ago... her brother haunts the house, no one else was there, i got massive chills....

 

i believe there are More kind people in our world than there are mean people.

[Topper]

I'll take a look for those French UFO files.

laRubiaBonita, Did you ever wonder if Earth just might be the dump for all the failed experiments by those gods? The Dump theory really would explain a lot. All those UFOs are just intergalactic Trash Trucks.

[laRubiaBonita]

laRubiaBonita, Did you ever wonder if Earth just might be the dump for all the failed experiments by those gods? The Dump theory really would explain a lot. All those UFOs are just intergalactic Trash Trucks.

nope....i ain't no piece of trash, that's how i know!

[Topper]

You might be sightly blemished factory 2nd? Designer label of course.

One view of the Jerry Springer show might change your mind on the dump theory:D

[LaughMachine]

I love reading what people believe in. Especially when they are close to my beliefs, makes my beliefs all the more " believable lol

 

I do believe in spirits if you would like to visit lisa williams site, It's not bologny.

 

I KNOW that our soul with go beyond flesh and no matter all the pain we go through, it will be worth it towards the end

 

If you lose someone dearest to your heart, I'm sorry...but you will see them in the end.

 

I don't believe in religion, because all religion pertains to happiness, and morals.

 

My question is, for those who don't believe in spirits, or our soul forever ending. What do you think happens when you die? thats it? That can't be it:)

[a4a]

the worms eat you and your dna material.... it (the wormies and buggies)......

 

is eaten by the next thing that comes along and is hungry..... Or a cow may accidently eat the worm or bug while grazing.... and you and your dna end up on the dinner plate of a drunk having a meal at Denny's after leaving the bar at 3 am.

 

Now that is where deja vu comes in..... because you end up consuming other people and their thoughts are transferred to you via consumption of their dna.... you don't get all the thoughts of the person you consumed in a round about way.... just enough to make you have a little glimpse into their life and experiences.....

 

That is my Thursday Theory on the afterlife...... Friday I will discuss another theory I have. Magnetic energy recording of a spirit into the material world.

[LaughMachine]

I remain undecided on a great many things, I haven't had enough evidence to make a solid decision yet. The only thing I have seen and felt for myself is my Grandmother's ghost cat. Laying in bed I felt the cat walk across the bed, curl up next to me and start to purr... only there was nothing there.

 

I thought it was my imagination until my cousin asked me if I had ever felt anything strange in that certain bedroom... We were discussing it and my Mother's face turned white... she is a Christian and doesn't believe in ghosts but she admits she felt "something" I'm not even certain what I believe about the cat, only that we have all felt it but none of us can explain it.

 

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Thats so cute. See the thing with religion is, it puts you in a state of boundaries. Even when some things are true, religion says for them not to be.

 

Leave a kitty litter out, I'm sure there won't be poops but hey why not try lol

[Topper]

To take a4a's theory one step further or a few steps back. If that drunk doesn't kill himself in a car accident while driving home your DNA is going to end up in a big pile of Poo in a Toilet Bowl. Now that is one afterlife nobody really wants to hear about.

The Marketing dept says that a chruch that promotes an after life as a Turd is going to have a hard time making it. I shutter, to think what congregation would put in the collection plate.

[Moai]

I believe that there is no such thing as "greys" or aliens visiting here, nor do I believe in anything supernatural. I do believe in UFOs, in that acronym stands for Unidentified Flying Object. I have seen them myself. I certainly can't identify every aircraft I have seen, and so I have seen a UFO. But that is as far as that goes.

 

Let's consider a few things:

 

1) There is one of trillions of planets in this galaxy alone. We know there are no planets with life close to us, so any alien race would have to come from a ridiculous distance. This means that a) they would probably live, breed and die while in space. Find a group of individuals willing to leave on a journey and never see the end of it. Also, the intermediate generations would not see it either. What if one of the intermediate generations decides it doesn't want to go? b) the price of such a journey would be astronomical, to say the least.

 

2) The amount of energy required to even approach light speed is so great you could not build a ship big enough to hold all the fuel you would need. Scientists here have supposed all kinds of things like detonating nuclear explosions behind a ship in order to propel it, but the number of devices required makes that prohibitive. Solar sails have been postulated, but given that as you approach the speed of light mass increases exponentially, the eventual weight of the ship would limit its speed.

 

3) Why come here? If in fact there was an alien race so ridiculously advanced that they could get here, why pick our planet? Out of the almost infinite number of planets, they choose a small little dot in the far corner of the galaxy.

 

4) The aliens don't do anything. After all the expense and trouble, they pick up average people and probe them and mutilate cattle, supposedly. To what end?

 

5) The greys themselves were actually invented on an episode of "The Outer Limits" in the 1960s. Before that show aired, the way aliens looked varied wildly, but as the greys became more well-known in popular culture, the claims of their appearance is more uniform. There are still those who suggest very different alien life forms, but I leave it to anyone interested to read that literature and come tot their own conclusions about its value.

 

6) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A large number of people seeing something that they can't explain is only evidence of a large group of people who are ignorant of different aircraft, or are seeing some natural phenomenon and since they don't know what it is, they guess at what they see. Carl Sagan, in his book "The Demon Haunted World" mentions that of the letters he got from people who claimed to be in communication with aliens, if he wrote back and asked, "What is the answer to Fermet's last theorum?" the silence was deafening, but if he wrote back and asked, "Should I be good?" the response was lengthy and rambling.

 

For some reason, there are a great number of people who hate mankind, and therefore may acknowledge that all other life on this planet evolved here, but we were dropped off here, because we are so bad for the planet, mean to each other, blah blah blah. Rosanne Barr is a proponent of this belief system. All evidence shows that we did evolve here, but why pay attention to the facts when your neat little belief system makes you feel so much better?

 

There are many fallacies at work here as well. For example, if I explain that you can't go faster than light, I get an ad hoc explanation that proposes to subvert that. When that is shown to be impossible, yet another ad hoc explanation is trundled out, ad infinitum. If someone sees an object in the sky and can't explain it, or shows me a photograph that I can't explain, they then claim to have evidence of aliens. This is an argument from ignorance. And the list goes on.

 

It is often asserted that alien technology is so advanced, we can't understand it. That could certainly be so, but nobody else has seen alien technology--certainly the UFO believer hasn't--so how is that to be determined? That just begs the question as to if aliens have been here to leave their technology in the first place.

 

With all of our telescopes and radar arrays, and receivers hooked up looking out into space, we have yet to detect anything. How can that be? The aliens want to come here, study us, but don't want us to see them? They want to probe us and study us, but do crude experiments instead of checking out the anatomy and medical sections of any public library? Are aliens really just interstellar sadists?

 

People fear the unknown, and look for explanations wherever they can find them. In many ways traditional religion fails them, so enter alien belief.

 

I don't know why "I don't know" is so terrifying to people.

[Moai]

I love reading what people believe in. Especially when they are close to my beliefs, makes my beliefs all the more " believable lol

 

I do believe in spirits if you would like to visit lisa williams site, It's not bologny.

 

I KNOW that our soul with go beyond flesh and no matter all the pain we go through, it will be worth it towards the end

 

If you lose someone dearest to your heart, I'm sorry...but you will see them in the end.

 

I don't believe in religion, because all religion pertains to happiness, and morals.

 

My question is, for those who don't believe in spirits, or our soul forever ending. What do you think happens when you die? thats it? That can't be it:)

 

Why can't that be it?

 

You are not conscious the entire time you are asleep. That is what death is probably like. You just shut off, no more you. And your body rots, and the cycle continues.

[Trialbyfire]

I believe that aliens do pickup humans. After all, who else would clean out the gene pool?

[Moai]

I believe that aliens do pickup humans. After all, who else would clean out the gene pool?

 

War seems to do a pretty good job.

[Trialbyfire]

War seems to do a pretty good job.

War cleanses both the good and the bad genes. Aliens only clean out the bad genes.

[Topper]

Just some thoughts on intergalactic travel.

I once read something that might make Intergalactic travel possible.

Think of time asa glass fish bowl. The fish swims around in his world thinking this is it my whole world. The Fish has no understanding of glass he just bumps into it and then swim on.

Time is like our fish bowl. At this point in our understanding we don't know how to brake out of time.

Perhaps there is very advanced world that has discovered a method of time travel. Now this might seem far fetched and for us it is just a science fiction fantasy.

Just think of what we have done in the last 100 years. If you told someone in 1907 that men would walk on the Moon. That people could talk to each other in real time from anywhere on earth to anywhere on earth. Could they even imagine a TV back in 1907? That guy in 1907 would think you are one crazy dreamer. Back then it was thought that the human body would not be able to endure speeds over 100mph. So here we are doing all those once impossible things.

I still do not know what UFO are? But this idea of time travel could be a possibility. Just something to think about.

[Storyrider]

Why can't that be it?

 

You are not conscious the entire time you are asleep. That is what death is probably like. You just shut off, no more you. And your body rots, and the cycle continues.

 

What do you think is a good way to break this news to kids? (I'm not being a smart *ss, I'm honestly wondering.) At what age will you tell them this? How will you answer if your young child asks where Grandma is, now that she has died?

 

This is purely anecdotal, and I am sure others have had different reactions. But, my best friend in HS was raised by an atheist, her mom. (my friend is now an agnostic or atheist herself, by the way.) Anyway, when her mom told her the above, I think at about age nine, she began having horrible nightmares and developed an extreme fear of death. She would dream repeatedly that she was trapped in a coffin. I need to remember to ask her what she has said to her own kids about this. I think her husband is more open to the idea of an afterlife, but I'm not sure.

[burning 4 revenge]

What do you think is a good way to break this news to kids?

I would tell them the same day you tell them there is no Santa Claus. You can get rid of a lot of disappointments in one shot.

[Rooster_DAR]

I believe that there is no such thing as "greys" or aliens visiting here, nor do I believe in anything supernatural. I do believe in UFOs, in that acronym stands for Unidentified Flying Object. I have seen them myself. I certainly can't identify every aircraft I have seen, and so I have seen a UFO. But that is as far as that goes.

 

Let's consider a few things:

 

1) There is one of trillions of planets in this galaxy alone. We know there are no planets with life close to us, so any alien race would have to come from a ridiculous distance. This means that a) they would probably live, breed and die while in space. Find a group of individuals willing to leave on a journey and never see the end of it. Also, the intermediate generations would not see it either. What if one of the intermediate generations decides it doesn't want to go? b) the price of such a journey would be astronomical, to say the least.

 

2) The amount of energy required to even approach light speed is so great you could not build a ship big enough to hold all the fuel you would need. Scientists here have supposed all kinds of things like detonating nuclear explosions behind a ship in order to propel it, but the number of devices required makes that prohibitive. Solar sails have been postulated, but given that as you approach the speed of light mass increases exponentially, the eventual weight of the ship would limit its speed.

 

3) Why come here? If in fact there was an alien race so ridiculously advanced that they could get here, why pick our planet? Out of the almost infinite number of planets, they choose a small little dot in the far corner of the galaxy.

 

4) The aliens don't do anything. After all the expense and trouble, they pick up average people and probe them and mutilate cattle, supposedly. To what end?

 

5) The greys themselves were actually invented on an episode of "The Outer Limits" in the 1960s. Before that show aired, the way aliens looked varied wildly, but as the greys became more well-known in popular culture, the claims of their appearance is more uniform. There are still those who suggest very different alien life forms, but I leave it to anyone interested to read that literature and come tot their own conclusions about its value.

 

6) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A large number of people seeing something that they can't explain is only evidence of a large group of people who are ignorant of different aircraft, or are seeing some natural phenomenon and since they don't know what it is, they guess at what they see. Carl Sagan, in his book "The Demon Haunted World" mentions that of the letters he got from people who claimed to be in communication with aliens, if he wrote back and asked, "What is the answer to Fermet's last theorum?" the silence was deafening, but if he wrote back and asked, "Should I be good?" the response was lengthy and rambling.

 

For some reason, there are a great number of people who hate mankind, and therefore may acknowledge that all other life on this planet evolved here, but we were dropped off here, because we are so bad for the planet, mean to each other, blah blah blah. Rosanne Barr is a proponent of this belief system. All evidence shows that we did evolve here, but why pay attention to the facts when your neat little belief system makes you feel so much better?

 

There are many fallacies at work here as well. For example, if I explain that you can't go faster than light, I get an ad hoc explanation that proposes to subvert that. When that is shown to be impossible, yet another ad hoc explanation is trundled out, ad infinitum. If someone sees an object in the sky and can't explain it, or shows me a photograph that I can't explain, they then claim to have evidence of aliens. This is an argument from ignorance. And the list goes on.

 

It is often asserted that alien technology is so advanced, we can't understand it. That could certainly be so, but nobody else has seen alien technology--certainly the UFO believer hasn't--so how is that to be determined? That just begs the question as to if aliens have been here to leave their technology in the first place.

 

With all of our telescopes and radar arrays, and receivers hooked up looking out into space, we have yet to detect anything. How can that be? The aliens want to come here, study us, but don't want us to see them? They want to probe us and study us, but do crude experiments instead of checking out the anatomy and medical sections of any public library? Are aliens really just interstellar sadists?

 

People fear the unknown, and look for explanations wherever they can find them. In many ways traditional religion fails them, so enter alien belief.

 

I don't know why "I don't know" is so terrifying to people.

 

Brilliant observation, principle of parsimony!

 

Excellent!

[Rooster_DAR]

What do you think is a good way to break this news to kids?

 

With the truth. Let them booo hooo and eeeeh aaaaahh all they want, it will toughen them up and prepare them for a true reality, not a bunch of mere fantasies.