Fun2BMe Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 God has already decided who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell in your religion lonelybird. And He bases it on what you will do in your life, if you repent and so on. God says that only he can read what is inside the hearts of people. He makes his decisions based on the thoughts and actions people make. Because we have freewill, oftentimes he changes his mind about things too as seen in the bible, punishing those he once had rewarded and rewarding those who have changed their ways. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 And He bases it on what you will do in your life, if you repent and so on. God says that only he can read what is inside the hearts of people. He makes his decisions based on the thoughts and actions people make. Because we have freewill, oftentimes he changes his mind about things too as seen in the bible, punishing those he once had rewarded and rewarding those who have changed their ways. Changing his mind? Sounds like we are nothing but little kids dealing with a Parent that has a bipolar disorder. You just never know what will get you in trouble or get you that ice cream cone. Link to post Share on other sites
Fun2BMe Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Changing his mind? Sounds like we are nothing but little kids dealing with a Parent that has a bipolar disorder. You just never know what will get you in trouble or get you that ice cream cone. It's all spelled out in the bible, and it's not about ice cream cones but something you won't be getting anyways. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Gee I wonder what I won't be getting? Link to post Share on other sites
Island Girl Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 And He bases it on what you will do in your life, if you repent and so on. God says that only he can read what is inside the hearts of people. He makes his decisions based on the thoughts and actions people make. Because we have freewill, oftentimes he changes his mind about things too as seen in the bible, punishing those he once had rewarded and rewarding those who have changed their ways. Sorry God says it is predestined. That he knows who is going to Hell and who is going to Heaven. Read the first part of Romans He specifically says it has nothing to do with "works" or actions or thoughts. Just his preselection. But elsewhere He also says it is by "works" and then he says it is not by "works". Ah the contradictions in the bible. They are supposed to be God's instructions for salvation -- why are there so many contradictions? It has been debated for over 2,000 years and goes on and on... Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 Changing his mind? Sounds like we are nothing but little kids dealing with a Parent that has a bipolar disorder. You just never know what will get you in trouble or get you that ice cream cone. Not at all. God's commandments are simple and clear. Stay in line with them can ensure you get the ice cream cone and beyond that Link to post Share on other sites
Island Girl Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Not at all. God's commandments are simple and clear. Stay in line with them can ensure you get the ice cream cone and beyond that No it doesn't. In your faith the bible -- the word of God -- very clearly says different. Sorry lonelybird, I wouldn't want anyone to read what you wrote and be misled into thinking if they follow the commandments they're okay - or rather they get an ice cream cone and get into Heaven. God says it doesn't work that way. Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 No it doesn't. In your faith the bible -- the word of God -- very clearly says different. Sorry lonelybird, I wouldn't want anyone to read what you wrote and be misled into thinking if they follow the commandments they're okay - or rather they get an ice cream cone and get into Heaven. God says it doesn't work that way. First, you don't believe in any gods. Second, what are God's commandments? How can God's commandments mislead people? you mean when people are trying to be honest, loving, patient as God wants them to be, then people will get into trouble? and you close the door when people try to go into. You lock the door to the Kingdom of heaven in people's faces, but you yourselves don't go in, nor do you allow in those who are trying to enter! you are a hypocite! Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 Matthew 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs-they will only turn and attack you. Do not throw your pearls in front of pigs-they will only trample them underfoot. 7:7 (*)"Ask, and you will receive; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. 7:8 For everyone who asks will receive, and anyone who seeks will find, and the door will be opened to those who knock. 7:9 Would any of you who are fathers give your son a stone when he asks for bread? 7:10 Or would you give him a snake when he asks for a fish? 7:11 As bad as you are, you know how to give good things to your children. How much more, then, will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him! Link to post Share on other sites
Island Girl Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 First, you don't believe in any gods. Second, what are God's commandments? How can God's commandments mislead people? you mean when people are trying to be honest, loving, patient as God wants them to be, then people will get into trouble? and you close the door when people try to go into. You lock the door to the Kingdom of heaven in people's faces, but you yourselves don't go in, nor do you allow in those who are trying to enter! you are a hypocite! I did not say the commandments mislead people. Read my post again. I am saying that following the commandments is not a golden ticket to Heaven and the bible -- the book you believe is the word of God -- clearly states this. I don't lock any door to any Kingdom - certainly not "Heaven". I do not believe in it -- how can I stand steadfastly at the door when it isn't there to begin with? And believe me if it did exist I'd let whoever wanted to enter go right ahead. God might have a little something to say about that though since He'd be the one in charge...right? The word, by the way, is hypocrite -- not hypocite as you typed. And to that I'd say look in the dictionary because by definition I am not. Thanks for playing! Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 I did not say the commandments mislead people. Read my post again. I am saying that following the commandments is not a golden ticket to Heaven and the bible -- the book you believe is the word of God -- clearly states this. I don't lock any door to any Kingdom - certainly not "Heaven". I do not believe in it -- how can I stand steadfastly at the door when it isn't there to begin with? And believe me if it did exist I'd let whoever wanted to enter go right ahead. God might have a little something to say about that though since He'd be the one in charge...right? The word, by the way, is hypocrite -- not hypocite as you typed. And to that I'd say look in the dictionary because by definition I am not. Thanks for playing! Have fun!.................... Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Changing his mind? Sounds like we are nothing but little kids dealing with a Parent that has a bipolar disorder. You just never know what will get you in trouble or get you that ice cream cone. Love it. Round one two and three to Island Girl. I was baptised as a baby. But as an adult I don't believe in a god so i guess I am screwed. Funnily enough, turns of events in the last 30 years have led to my mother (once a believer) to be a non believer, and to my father (once a non believer) to believe. Go figure. Each to their own. I have agreed not to talk about it with my Dad as I value my relationship with him more than I care about what he believes or not. Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 Love it. Round one two and three to Island Girl. I was baptised as a baby. But as an adult I don't believe in a god so i guess I am screwed. Funnily enough, turns of events in the last 30 years have led to my mother (once a believer) to be a non believer, and to my father (once a non believer) to believe. Go figure. Each to their own. I have agreed not to talk about it with my Dad as I value my relationship with him more than I care about what he believes or not. I agree with Island girl actually. All are predestined by God. Who love God because God chose to reveal HImself to them; no one can come to God if God forbid Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 So why are we arguing about it? If its all "predestined", then no amount of prayer or religious debate will change things. Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted April 22, 2007 Author Share Posted April 22, 2007 So why are we arguing about it? If its all "predestined", then no amount of prayer or religious debate will change things. Yes, it will change things, and not us to change, but God. God invented the MEANS, including preaching and discussion...as long as God's words go out, it never return in vain. As for prayer, if we ask God to change certain people, God may change him or may not change him, as for why, I don't know. But I've heard this A person cry out loud to God, God may grant his pleading I've NEVER heard this A person think God owe his something will get the granting from God Link to post Share on other sites
Island Girl Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Love it. Round one two and three to Island Girl. ding ding! I am SO glad you're back from your vacation. It is great to see your posts again. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Yes, it will change things, and not us to change, but God. God invented the MEANS, including preaching and discussion...as long as God's words go out, it never return in vain. As for prayer, if we ask God to change certain people, God may change him or may not change him, as for why, I don't know. But I've heard this A person cry out loud to God, God may grant his pleading I've NEVER heard this A person think God owe his something will get the granting from God Once again Lonelybird you are contradicting your own posts. I have never ever come across anyone who thinks god owes them something. Believers like you allow god "into their hearts" and ask for his guidance, pray etc. Non believers like me don't believe in god, therefore its a moot point I can't get anything from him, because to me he doesn't exist. And no, I am not trying to start that debate again, so please don't take that as bait of some kind, just illustrating my personal point. IG- Thank you for noticing! I have been to the wonderful South Pacific which is so dear to our hearts- NZ, not Tonga, but close. It was fabulous! Link to post Share on other sites
Island Girl Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 I agree with Island girl actually. NO WAY. Did you know my birthday is coming up in a couple of days or something? This is a GREAT gift! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Shout it from the rooftops!!!! Print it out and tape it to your fridge.... then you can see it every day... Happy birthday in advance. Is your H any closer to getting to be with you? Link to post Share on other sites
Island Girl Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 I have never ever come across anyone who thinks god owes them something. Believers like you allow god "into their hearts" and ask for his guidance, pray etc. Non believers like me don't believe in god, therefore its a moot point I can't get anything from him, because to me he doesn't exist. And no, I am not trying to start that debate again, so please don't take that as bait of some kind, just illustrating my personal point. These are my personal points as well. IG- Thank you for noticing! I have been to the wonderful South Pacific which is so dear to our hearts- NZ, not Tonga, but close. It was fabulous! Awww great! NZ may be next for me. I'm sending hubby there to see family in August. Maybe I'll go out to visit when he's there. ok -- no more hijacking -- back to the topic at hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Island Girl Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Happy birthday in advance. Is your H any closer to getting to be with you? Okay I lied - one more - Every day brings him a little bit closer, right?! -- thanks so much for asking! AND I AM GOING TO PRINT OUT THAT LONELYBIRD AGREED WITH ME. It's never happened before and I don't think it'll ever happen again. Maybe but doubtful. Link to post Share on other sites
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