Hi, this is my first post!

[Lizzie60]

As I've said before, there is no way that I will empower anyone to live your lifestyle and if it means I participate in threads of this nature, providing my opinions, consider that my remorseless sense of entitlement...

 

Certainly, you have every right to provide your opinion and I will never tell you not to. We are all entitle to our own opinions, this is a public forum. This is why forums are so interesting... imagine if we would always agree with everyone, it would be rather boring.

[Trialbyfire]

Certainly, you have every right to provide your opinion and I will never tell you not to. We are all entitle to our own opinions, this is a public forum. This is why forums are so interesting... imagine if we would always agree with everyone, it would be rather boring.

The most interesting part about differing opinions within this thread is to watch so many OW suddenly come onto LS with the same sign-up date and the same remorselessness. Odd coincidences are always fascinating.

[Lizzie60]

I'm new on this forum and noticed Lizzie and her life style.

 

It's similar to mine which took a few years to develop and I love my life. I only wish I figured this out when I was younger. I'm 56.

 

I have more than one regular MW, each much younger than me. They visit my home regularly for intimacy and to enjoy my cooking. I'm a damn fine cook and I pay attention to details. They each have they're own stories and their own ways of rationalizing why they're with me. All of them complain about missing this from their husbands.

 

Each is a princess when in my home, I spoil them. I spend money on high quality food for cooking. I pay close attention to details, candles, music, dancing or whatever they like. I also (especially) pay extra close attention to what please them in bed. I don't see myself as a stud because of my bedroom abilty (I do OK though) but I am a stud in giving them all the other attentions. I enjoy it as much as they do.

 

But I don't spend any other money on them, no trips, no restuarants. Once in awhile one will whine a little because we never go anywhere, but that's the way it is. I don't think that their really after money, just being spoiled once or twice a week.

 

I have a nice home and I rarely have any stay overnight. They can't because they have to go home. Once in a while if one could really be gone from home overnight. NOTHING in my home is other than the way I want it.

 

What the hell is wrong with some of the younger guys? I hope they don't figure it out too soon.

 

My-my... you remind me of one of my lover...but he's married... so he doesn't entertain from his place, but from his cottage he does. He is a great cook too...

 

What the hell is wrong with some of the younger guys? I hope they don't figure it out too soon.

 

I hope not too... I love younger men! LOL

 

So tell me... this is interesting, we have something in common, I'm almost 55 (this summer) and I love younger too. What is/has been your youngest? Are all these women married or are some of them single?

[Lizzie60]

The most interesting part about differing opinions within this thread is to watch so many OW suddenly come onto LS with the same sign-up date and the same remorselessness. Odd coincidences are always fascinating.

 

If you're talking about Pulse, I don't know her. I don't know anyone here. I think she's the only one that was remorseless and new other than me...but nice try... I don't know her.

 

I wish the moderators could post once in a while to tell you if the posters are trolls or not... I know I'm not but I've been accused of trolling. But I suppose that's part of the forum life.

[Trialbyfire]

If you're talking about Pulse, I don't know her. I don't know anyone here. I think she's the only one that was remorseless and new other than me...but nice try... I don't know her.

 

I wish the moderators could post once in a while to tell you if the posters are trolls or not... I know I'm not but I've been accused of trolling. But I suppose that's part of the forum life.

I think I've treated you as "real"...

[Lizzie60]

I think I've treated you as "real"...

 

by other posters, same date, blablabla... care to explain.

[Trialbyfire]

by other posters, same date, blablabla... care to explain.

Yes, I noticed that there were three of you now. Does this mean that you're trolls? I hope not.

[Tomcat33]

If you're talking about Pulse, I don't know her. I don't know anyone here. I think she's the only one that was remorseless and new other than me...but nice try... I don't know her.

 

I wish the moderators could post once in a while to tell you if the posters are trolls or not... I know I'm not but I've been accused of trolling. But I suppose that's part of the forum life.

 

Yeah when all else fails bring out the "troll" card.

I'd like to see the mods call out the trolls too considering there is all this talk of trolls and all...

 

 

Woman Whisperer: your post only backs up my earlier point that it's not the single guys that are forking out the dough and extravagant gifts for the women, it's the MM for the OW.

[Lizzie60]

Yeah when all else fails bring out the "troll" card.

I'd like to see the mods call out the trolls too considering there is all this talk of trolls and all...

 

 

Woman Whisperer: your post only backs up my earlier point that it's not the single guys that are forking out the dough and extravagant gifts for the women, it's the MM for the OW.

 

over to the forums once in a while... Do they post? Can we ask questions to the mods on the forums?

[Chapter2]

First and foremost the blame must go to the wandering spouse but women like Lizzie60 are like vultures. In my old neighborhood I used see dead bodies in the hallways of my apartment building sometimes. They were mostly overdoses and a few murders, Almost every time the dead body was looted by theives who stripped the dead body clean. The theives did not kill this person but they are bloodsuckers who preyed on another person's misery. Ow and OM are vultures who see a dying marriage and go in and take what they want. They did not cause a spouse to cheat but they exploit the pain of a dying marriage.

 

Well...this was a good analogy IMO...I don't like getting to the nitty gritty like that, but you said it well...

 

I do agree that there are women out there that prey on marriages that are in trouble in a very opportunistic way.

 

I also believe and have seen, many times, MM/MW that can spot an insecure, needy, isolated individual 100 miles away. They seduce her, get what they want and then discard the carcuss leaving this woman (or man) even more insecure than before. Yes the OM/OW participated and for that they are wrong but it truly is not only women "like Lizzie".

 

I realize Woggle, that your comment was prefaced with "first and foremost the blame must go to the wayward spouse" but then saying "Ow and OM are vultures who see a dying marriage and go in and take what they want", sounds a lot like the wayward spouse is a victim. Sometimes they are sometimes they really aren't.

 

And, please, before someone calls me bitter or angry or anything else nasty, I fully admit that being a former party to an affair, I bristle when compared to a vulture. Foolish for a time, yes, I certainly was...a vulture, no I was not ever a vulture nor am I bitter or angry. I am happy and feel immensely blessed to be as far on the other side of this as possible.

[Virgo1982]

I do agree that there are women out there that prey on marriages that are in trouble in a very opportunistic way.

 

I also believe and have seen, many times, MM/MW that can spot an insecure, needy, isolated individual 100 miles away. They seduce her, get what they want and then discard the carcuss leaving this woman (or man) even more insecure than before. Yes the OM/OW participated and for that they are wrong but it truly is not only women "like Lizzie".

 

I realize Woggle, that your comment was prefaced with "first and foremost the blame must go to the wayward spouse" but then saying "Ow and OM are vultures who see a dying marriage and go in and take what they want", sounds a lot like the wayward spouse is a victim. Sometimes they are sometimes they really aren't.

 

And, please, before someone calls me bitter or angry or anything else nasty, I fully admit that being a former party to an affair, I bristle when compared to a vulture. Foolish for a time, yes, I certainly was...a vulture, no I was not ever a vulture nor am I bitter or angry. I am happy and feel immensely blessed to be as far on the other side of this as possible.

 

 

Victims are indentified through investigation. Each situation is different. As I said before, the analogies are just over the top.

[Tomcat33]

over to the forums once in a while... Do they post? Can we ask questions to the mods on the forums?

 

 

I honestly have no clue, but you would think that a thriving thread like this would inspire the mods to do some homework, should they feel there was some trolling going on.

 

I think some people just find it hard to believe that on a OW/Om forum there would actually be a few OW/Om who post in favour of the lifestyle. So when faced with the helplessness of their own imposing views falling on deaf ears, they want to "call the cops" LOL

 

Hey listen I'm not an OW/OM and probably never will be, purely because I am just too selfish to share a man with another woman. And dating a seperated man nailed the coffin for me. BUT I also know that you can't talk people, who are happily living their lives in their own way, out of living it in that manner simply because you don't agree with it.

I find that kind of dumb. Wasted energy. I say live and live.

 

If/when someone is going to have a "wake-up" call of sorts an they will decide for themselves that what they are doing is not making them happy and their behaviour needs to be re-evalutated then the time will come when that will happen.

 

 

By the way if I were in the shoes of a BS I wouldn't feel the need to blame the OW because she owes me nothing, unless she was my best friend or family that's different. The one that owes me anything is the man I am with HE is the one that made a pact with me to faithful and to respect me the way you should respect another human being. You see I had choice in picking my partner I don't pick the OW, so OW is irrelevant to me.

[Lizzie60]

I honestly have no clue, but you would think that a thriving thread like this would inspire the mods to do some homework, should they feel there was some trolling going on.

 

I think some people just find it hard to believe that on a OW/Om forum there would actually be a few OW/Om who post in favour of the lifestyle. So when faced with the helplessness of their own imposing views falling on deaf ears, they want to "call the cops" LOL

 

Hey listen I'm not an OW/OM and probably never will be, purely because I am just too selfish to share a man with another woman. And dating a seperated man nailed the coffin for me. BUT I also know that you can't talk people, who are happily living their lives in their own way, out of living it in that manner simply because you don't agree with it.

I find that kind of dumb. Wasted energy. I say live and live.

 

If/when someone is going to have a "wake-up" call of sorts an they will decide for themselves that what they are doing is not making them happy and their behaviour needs to be re-evalutated then the time will come when that will happen.

 

I will eventually get all the answers to my questions... I am just learning my way through these forums... I guess they did their homework like you said, and didn't find any trolls. I know they can tell with some kind of number from the email or something.

[Tomcat33]

I will eventually get all the answers to my questions... I am just learning my way through these forums... I guess they did their homework like you said, and didn't find any trolls. I know they can tell with some kind of number from the email or something.

 

 

The IP address it's the numerical address for your internet connection account they can easily trace an IP address and see if all the profiles are taken from the same address. They can ban the address if they feel that it's someone just out to wreak havoc.

[Lizzie60]

The IP address it's the numerical address for your internet connection account they can easily trace an IP address and see if all the profiles are taken from the same address. They can ban the address if they feel that it's someone just out to wreak havoc.

 

The IP is the Internet Provider right? How can they tell if the poster is from the same computer or not?

[whichwayisup]

ISP is internet service provider, the IP is the Internet Protocol address. (The numbers that identify your computer.)

[herenow]

ISP is internet service provider, the IP is the Internet Protocol address. (The numbers that identify your computer.)

 

Hey WWIU, how are you? I don't have a comment on this thread (waste of time) but I just logged in and wanted to say hi!

 

I haven't been here in a few days, LS sure seems to have gone in a very unhealthy direction lately.

[Tomcat33]

The IP is the Internet Provider right? How can they tell if the poster is from the same computer or not?

 

Because every account has and IP address it's a numerical address for ex. 9 numbers long and so when you take out your profile it is linked to that IP address but even if you take out a profile from another computer (another account all together) if you respond from the same computer to several profiles they can still track it that way. Once they catch on to your IP they can block it from the site and you won't be able to access the site to post at all.

 

Anyway if you are thinking about it, don't technology/the internet has all sorts of back doors

 

If there are any IT specialists out there please explain it better than I did...that was my layman's explanation

[Lizzie60]

Because every account has and IP address it's a numerical address for ex. 9 numbers long and so when you take out your profile it is linked to that IP address but even if you take out a profile from another computer (another account all together) if you respond from the same computer to several profiles they can still track it that way. Once they catch on to your IP they can block it from the site and you won't be able to access the site to post at all.

 

Anyway if you are thinking about it, don't technology/the internet has all sorts of back doors

 

If there are any IT specialists out there please explain it better than I did...that was my layman's explanation

 

No I was just curious... One name is enough... I have no intention to post under different names. Thanks for the explanation.

[Curmudgeon]

I know all the 'tricks' so to speak.

 

Pete Seegar, The Byrds and "Turn, Turn, Turn" come immediately to mind!

[Tomcat33]

No I was just curious... One name is enough... I have no intention to post under different names. Thanks for the explanation.

 

No prob, I was kidding.

 

So spent all this time bickering with nonsense, let's get to the nitty gritty I have a real curiosity about the men you date.

 

What do they say is their reason for cheating or going behind their W's?

 

What about their kids? Wouldn't they be ashamed if their kids found out?

Do you talk to them about this kind of stuff?

 

Don't their W's suspect that they are with you? 'How often do you see them?

 

Are these guys serial cheaters or just one offs? Do you seduce them or vise versa?

[Lizzie60]

No prob, I was kidding.

 

So spent all this time bickering with nonsense, let's get to the nitty gritty I have a real curiosity about the men you date.

 

What do they say is their reason for cheating or going behind their W's?

 

What about their kids? Wouldn't they be ashamed if their kids found out?

Do you talk to them about this kind of stuff?

 

Don't their W's suspect that they are with you? 'How often do you see them?

 

Are these guys serial cheaters or just one offs? Do you seduce them or vise versa?

 

That's a lot of questions... I don't think I will go into details for now... I need to be more comfortable around here...LOL In fact, I wouldn't know where to start...

 

To summarize, sex is the main reason (not enough or too conventional), they talk about their kids, they're proud fathers, but of course they wouldn't want them to know, they're not stupid. No, the wives have absolutely no clue. I see them on a regular basis, late afternoon (while they're suppose to be at work for most part) or evenings (they're suppose to be with buddies), sometimes on weekends (suppose to be with friends)... I would say that most of them are serial cheaters, if it's not me, it would be with someone else. I would say that once a cheater always a cheater is true for most of them.

[4whatItsWorth]

Sounds a bit like you're a prostitute when you say you go to tons of different men and they say to their families they are "going to see a buddy, friends, work" etc...sorry, but it does.

[Tomcat33]

That's a lot of questions... I don't think I will go into details for now... I need to be more comfortable around here...LOL In fact, I wouldn't know where to start...

 

To summarize, sex is the main reason (not enough or too conventional), they talk about their kids, they're proud fathers, but of course they wouldn't want them to know, they're not stupid. No, the wives have absolutely no clue. I see them on a regular basis, late afternoon (while they're suppose to be at work for most part) or evenings (they're suppose to be with buddies), sometimes on weekends (suppose to be with friends)... I would say that most of them are serial cheaters, if it's not me, it would be with someone else. I would say that once a cheater always a cheater is true for most of them.

 

thanks for the reponse. I appreciate that you might not want to disclose too much given the "environment" here.

 

I had a feeling you would tell me the men you date are serial cheaters...I too am of the idea that ther are two kinds of cheaters, the one time offenders who realise they made a huge mistake and will never repeat again, it's just not in them to lead that kind of life and then there are the kind you just described. The ones who will if not with you with whomever presents a possibility. I am a firm believer that if they want to do it they will certainly find a way. WOW during work hours that blows my mind.

They must be executive types on the road all the time no?

I see that a lot. It's almost like these guys excuse their behaviour because of how much pressure they are under at work...(excuses if you ask me, but whatever...)

 

What's your feeling on being two-timed? Would you be ok if a guy you were seeing seriously did that to you? In other words does it make you more open minded to having a guy stray or are you more traditional when it comes to being cheated on?

[Lizzie60]

I don't quite agree with the two kinds of cheaters though, 'the one time offenders who realise they made a huge mistake and will never repeat again', I think in rare cases, these men are 'reformed' but most of the time, they become serial cheaters. They get addicted to the rush and the excitement really fast.

 

During work hours, that is not unusual at all. They could be executives who step out for a meeting, they could be business owners, financial advisors who visit clients, etc. or anyone who can take some time off work.

 

It's not the pressure from work...it's more the facility to get away without being caught. They are always available, if need arises, on the BB or cell phone to answer an urgent call. It is much easier to get away with it 'from work' than outside work hours. Some women think that since their husbands are always at home, always with them...they don't cheat... ha-hem... they'll find a way and it could not be as regular as the ones who can do it during work hours.

 

Would you be ok if a guy you were seeing seriously did that to you? No, but I am realistic, I think that over 95% of men cheat and I do not believe in monogamy for a long period of time, and I would say that over 99% would if they had the chance and were 100% sure they wouldn't get caught. I even tested this theory once.