Hi, this is my first post!

[herenow]

Your children will be proud of their mama when it hits the fan. When you have to look into their eyes and see a true reflection of yourself, you will not be very happy.

 

Continue your denial but the odds say, based on your purported numbers, your house of cards will fall.

 

Hey TBF,

 

You know what they say about the apple not falling far from the tree. This is a family tradition so why should she worry?

 

I'm sure Lizzie wouldn't mind if her kids grew up just like her. Or if she has a son, I'm sure it would be just fine if he married a woman just like mom. Just because we don't get it, doesn't mean that she isn't just fine with all of it.

[Trialbyfire]

Hey TBF,

 

You know what they say about the apple not falling far from the tree. This is a family tradition so why should she worry?

 

I'm sure Lizzie wouldn't mind if her kids grew up just like her. Or if she has a son, I'm sure it would be just fine if he married a woman just like mom. Just because we don't get it, doesn't mean that she isn't just fine with all of it.

Most men don't marry women like this. If she has a daughter, I'm sure she'd be glad that her daughter followed her blue print to happiness...

[Trimmer]

No body on earth can be 100% sure that their partner has never ever cheated on them... This is just impossible...

But this does not translate into your certainty that 99% of men WOULD cheat given the opportunity.

 

and for your information, I have tested my theory once... and he failed...

...testing ONCE adds very little support to a theory that purports to describe 99% of a population.

 

As you said yourself:

.. don't make hypothetic suppositions...

 

Lizzie, did you see my questions from earlier? I'm not intending these as attacks; for all that I disagree with your outlook, I am trying to find a way to understand you. When (at what age) did you learn of your father's infidelity; what was your reaction to it at the time; what was your mother's reaction to it (that you were witnesss to at the time, or that you realized in retrospect) and what was your relationship like with her?

[herenow]

Most men don't marry women like this. If she has a daughter, I'm sure she'd be glad that her daughter followed her blue print to happiness...

 

 

I love that TBF. "Miss Lizzie's Blue Print to Happiness".

 

I can see the infomercial now:

 

Have all the sex you want, with no attachment and no guilt. Learn how to get MM in bed in less than 7 days. Maybe they'll throw in a knife set if we call now.

[Touche]

But this does not translate into your certainty that 99% of men WOULD cheat given the opportunity.

 

 

...testing ONCE adds very little support to a theory that purports to describe 99% of a population.

 

As you said yourself:

 

 

Lizzie, did you see my questions from earlier? I'm not intending these as attacks; for all that I disagree with your outlook, I am trying to find a way to understand you. When (at what age) did you learn of your father's infidelity; what was your reaction to it at the time; what was your mother's reaction to it (that you were witnesss to at the time, or that you realized in retrospect) and what was your relationship like with her?

 

 

Excellent post Trimmer.

 

And it's very clear to me, that she has a very skewed view regarding how men are. Very skewed.

[Trialbyfire]

I love that TBF. "Miss Lizzie's Blue Print to Happiness".

 

I can see the infomercial now:

 

Have all the sex you want, with no attachment and no guilt. Learn how to get MM in bed in less than 7 days. Maybe they'll throw in a knife set if we call now.

:lmao:

For only three payments of 29.95, you get a graphic instruction book, a DVD and all you can eat sushi at the finest Japanese restaurant in your town. Order now and we will throw in a set of fine throwing knives...

[herenow]

:lmao:

For only three payments of 29.95, you get a graphic instruction book, a DVD and all you can eat sushi at the finest Japanese restaurant in your town. Order now and we will throw in a set of fine throwing knives...

 

 

I think the knives should be a free gift for the BW.

 

And if you order two copies, you get Miss Lizzies guide to looking sexy and her 24 month MM calendar so you can keep track of all the men in your life.

[Trialbyfire]

I think the knives should be a free gift for the BW.

:p

 

lizzie, many of your attitudes are similar to the primary OW in my situation. She also received her share of payback on D-day and to this day, continues to experience the repercussions of her lack of morality, integrity and blatantly unacceptable lifestyle. She also has a child who I feel sorry for because that child will never stand the chance of having an honest and healthy relationship.

[herenow]

:p

 

lizzie, many of your attitudes are similar to the primary OW in my situation. She also received her share of payback on D-day and to this day, continues to experience the repercussions of her lack of morality, integrity and blatantly unacceptable lifestyle. She also has a child who I feel sorry for because that child will never stand the chance of having an honest and healthy relationship.

 

TBF, I know you are really trying to reach Lizzie. And I know your intentions are to help her see how many people (including herself) could be hurt by her actions (and the actions of the MM she sleeps with). I hate to say it, but I think your words are falling on deaf ears.

 

So, shall we move on to produce what could be a very profitable infomercial. Because according to Lizzie, there must be other people who want to live this way. I don't know any of them, but hey, Lizzie is so sure of it that she should have no problem selling her secrets to all the Lizzie wannabes.

[herenow]

Oh Lizzie where are you? We need your help. We can't do this without your expertise. Please share you secrets with the rest of the world so we can all be as happy as you.

[Trialbyfire]

TBF, I know you are really trying to reach Lizzie. And I know your intentions are to help her see how many people (including herself) could be hurt by her actions (and the actions of the MM she sleeps with). I hate to say it, but I think your words are falling on deaf ears.

 

So, shall we move on to produce what could be a very profitable infomercial. Because according to Lizzie, there must be other people who want to live this way. I don't know any of them, but hey, Lizzie is so sure of it that she should have no problem selling her secrets to all the Lizzie wannabes.

You're probably right hn. I wish that lizzie could see how much she truly affects others but she probably will deny the impact, even though it's blatant. The only way her children would have a chance is for her to have been completely hypocritical to them about how a healthy marriage should be by cleaving to your spouse. If so, she knows in her heart that this is not a good way to live, so she lies to them, to buffer them from the potential hurt, shame and lifetime of pain that she may have experienced from a cheating father.

[ThumbingMyWay]

sometimes i cant help myself...but I just had something pop into my head..

 

 

granny porn??? :bunny:

[Touche]

Speaking for myself, I haven't written my posts in order to try to change Lizzie's mind about the error of her ways. She's convinced that her way is the right way for her. I just know that others in her shoes are reading and perhaps they will be impacted by some of what has been said here.

[whichwayisup]

She'll be happy living her life until the day comes one of the MM's wives come looking for her.

[herenow]

She'll be happy living her life until the day comes one of the MM's wives come looking for her.

 

Let's hope for Lizzie's sake that the BW didn't get one of the free sets of knives.

[ThumbingMyWay]

Ya know....the lst few years...the dark side of life has really exposed its ugly head....I SEE things in ahwole different light now a days.

 

I SEE people in a new light. And the sad reality, is that people are selfish...plain and simple.

 

Its all around us....

 

 

As much as we would all like to have Lizzie see it from OUR side....some people just cant see it OUR way. She sees it her way...and no one is going to make her feel otherwise.

 

if she wants to live life this way...and if her way makes her happy....then go for it....I do not agree with it, but right for me is not right for everyone.

 

Sad, but true. I personally could NEVER live a life like her....mostly because my values would not allow me to have mulitple sex partners....let alone Married sex partners....

 

to each there own....but slippery slopes are just that...you can get to the top with effort, stopping and bracing youself from falling....but when you get to the top of the slippery slope....theres only one way down.....and when you fall....you fall all the way down....and very fast....and very hard....so wear a helmet....

[Trimmer]

Well, I don't want to make fun of her, and I accept that I'm probably not going to change her outlook, but I am still interested in her family life when she was growing up - her relationships with her father and mother and when and how her awareness of his cheating affected her.

 

Lizzie - I'm not asking so I can stuff it back in your face and say "See -that's why you are the way you are..." I just want to understand where you are coming from - in a literal sense, as well as figuratively. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to come around and agree with your outlook on having EMR's, but I will commit to not shoving my opinions about your psyche down your throat, or make fun of you - will you share this about yourself and your life?

[Salicious Crumb]

I just don't see any big deal whether the guy is married or not.

 

Until a wife claws your eyes out in a grocery store parking lot.

[Salicious Crumb]

I started with late 40s... sorry...but I am really going on 55 this summer. And I am not a troll.

 

No...but you are a liar.

[Salicious Crumb]

Not at all, I never had Botox. I don't need it for now. I have good genes. I chose this avatar cause I have big breasts (and still very nice and perky), my best features and natural too.

 

Well thats good, because in the next 5 to 8 years they are gonna look like a couple of cantaloupes that went bad.

[Salicious Crumb]

The bottom line is that you're using something that doesn't belong to you but to another without their permission. You're borrowing something without the "owner's" knowledge, you're trespassing on their territory uninvited by them and you're threatening the well-being, stability and longevity of their family.

 

People don't "own" other people...they're not possessions...

 

And you can't "trespass" when you're invited...

 

The biggest "threat" to the well-being, stability and longevity of the family are the people in it...not those outside it...

 

Whatever makes you feel better about being the OW.

 

Let's put responsibility where it belongs...the one stepping outside the M...

 

The MM isn't here spewing his entitlement crap. She is.

[Salicious Crumb]

No as I say before I am new on these forums... I am sure I am not the only one having this attitude. Come on, life is too short. You're right, as long as I get what I want... that's what counts. I am not hurting anyone...

 

Whether the wives know about you or not, the time the spend with you is time NOT spent with his family.

 

So you ARE hurting the wives and families whether you like it or not.

 

Plus the men I'm seeing are very good fathers

 

When someone cheats on their spouse, they cheat on their children as well.

Men who cheat on their wives may be good fathers on the surface, but deep down, since they didn't care enough about the family to keep from sticking his d!ick in other women, that makes him a lousy father.

 

... That's also another reason I like them so much.. they are amazing fathers. I don't see jerks or abusers!

 

If they cheat, they are jerks....period.

 

I can't stand beaters or child molesters.

 

I can't stand people who pompously celebrate spreading their legs for other women's husbands...and the people who cheat on their spouses.

[herenow]

I know you're trying your best not to understand... I know what I know about these guys.. you don't .. don't make hypothetic suppositions... this is too easy.

 

You know what you know about these guys because that is what they tell you. If you want to go with the "no one knows for sure if you have been cheated on" stance, then you can't say with any certainty that these MM are telling you the truth about anything. You really have no idea what is true or not. All you know is that they tell you what they need to in order to get you to have sex with them. I'm sure they don't have to say much.

 

But, I guess none of that matters to you anyway. I'm assuming that you wouldn't care if MM lie to you since you are only in it for yourself. However, it's strange that you say that no one can possibly know the truth about another person and then say that you know these men. And until you have screwed 99% of all MM you can't make the claim that all of them cheat.

 

So get moving honey, you've got a lot of men to...

[Herzen]

What more of substance can be said, here? The lines are drawn, positions set and views pronounced.

 

Posters are talking past each other, or else exchanging insults.

 

Quite frankly, I'm very surprised that the Mods have allowed this Thread to limp along for so long.

 

Personally, I'd almost prefer to have an affair with a MW rather than read another "we're good, you're not" post.

 

I suspect Lizzie very much enjoys baiting LS's anti-affair wing. And bait these folks she does.

[Lizzie60]

What more of substance can be said, here? The lines are drawn, positions set and views pronounced.

 

Posters are talking past each other, or else exchanging insults.

 

Quite frankly, I'm very surprised that the Mods have allowed this Thread to limp along for so long.

 

Personally, I'd almost prefer to have an affair with a MW rather than read another "we're good, you're not" post.

 

I suspect Lizzie very much enjoys baiting LS's anti-affair wing. And bait these folks she does.

 

I agree with you... I really don't know why they keep coming back at me... I have said what I had to say... but I suppose they need someone to spill out their anger and bitterness on...