Why do you even want her?

[Touche]

If you go back and read it, he wasn't defending Nazis. He was saying you can't compare the subject of this thread to the Nazis. Anyway, this is all a "you said this, I can say that" and it's all about beating up in Kepners at this point, so please just stop.

 

Not beating up on anyone. Just thought I'd make you think but never mind.

[Teddy and Jane]

Umm...I got your point. It didn't take much thinking. Just calling attention that there's a lot of kettle calling black here.

[Touche]

Umm...I got your point. It didn't take much thinking. Just calling attention that there's a lot of kettle calling black here.

 

Well, not by me. Have a good one!

[LakesideDream]

that at normady landings there was 100,000 britsh troops the same as you and the candians together.

5million brits died.

that the britshish invented radar!

the british cracked enigma!

that the french had NO army to stop teh german army because of the first world war.

you had a massive fight with japan!

the nazis killed russian, handicapped germans,gay men people in the freemasons

 

Actually Kepners the American Infantry contribution to the Normandy invasion was 210,000 assault troops and over 45,000 support troops. This does not include the Air power used to support the attack (65% US) nor the Naval and Logistical manpower needed to transport the troops across the channel.

 

A Japanese guy named ITO "invented" actually discovered "radar", in 1928 the Japanese failed to develop it first as they believed it was only usefull to gauge range. The British discovered "Doppler" radar as they became aware of the interaction interferance between radar antenna towers in the 1930's. Later single radar antenna's moved, creating a similar effect.

 

The French Army, including armored forces was larger than the German forces arrayed against them in 1939. The 36 day failure was due to a loss of will (big suprise). Contrary to popular belief, the Poles actually held out longer against the Germans, 39 days. The Brit's were pretty angry as they were forced to evacuate at Dunkirk, leaving behind a rear guard of 45,000 men, and all the Army's equipment, as the French were not willing to "have their backs".

 

The American War against Japan in the Pacific consumed 16% of the manpower and material lost by the United States in WW2. Not a "massive" effort when compared to the resouces consumed fighting Germany. The Americans always believed that the Pacific was a side show. Germany was the real problem.

 

Encyclopedias are wonder things, as is a Minor in 20th Century History. Helps you know where to look.

[Trialbyfire]

I stand firm that indiscriminate hatred has lead to historical attrocities. Case in point Nazi Germany and the KKK in North America.

[Woggle]

I have said time and time again that many women don't fit my description but you can't ignore the bigger social trend of women thinking that men are tools to be used and discarded. You can't deny that many women are angry at all men and are out to get revenge on men. Look at sites like women's infidelity and others and you will see this mentality I am talking about. If you are a woman and don't fit my description then I have nothing against you. Much kudos for resisting the feminist brainwashing and not treating men as the enemy but men need to be careful. I am hear to give men advice on how to deal these issues.

[Great Gazoo]

I have said time and time again that many women don't fit my description but you can't ignore the bigger social trend of women thinking that men are tools to be used and discarded. You can't deny that many women are angry at all men and are out to get revenge on men. Look at sites like women's infidelity and others and you will see this mentality I am talking about. If you are a woman and don't fit my description then I have nothing against you. Much kudos for resisting the feminist brainwashing and not treating men as the enemy but men need to be careful. I am hear to give men advice on how to deal these issues.

 

Woggle that is all nice and everything but did you happen to notice in the thread blindsided that the wife had problems before she cheated and that some of these problems were caused by her being sexually assaulted. I wonder what the odds are that she was assaulted by a man??? pretty good I would think.

[burning 4 revenge]

Woggle that is all nice and everything but did you happen to notice in the thread blindsided that the wife had problems before she cheated and that some of these problems were caused by her being sexually assaulted. I wonder what the odds are that she was assaulted by a man??? pretty good I would think.

so she cheats on her husband to avenge her assaulter?

[RecordProducer]

I hear all these men desperately trying to hold on to women that cheat on them, belittle them and generally treat them like garbage but these men act like they will die when these women leave. Why wouldn't a man be thrilled to have a woman like this out of his life? I have a question to ask these men. When you were single and you thought about the ideal woman did you imagine a woman that has little to no regard for your feelings or if she hurts you? Did you imagine a woman that has no guilt at all over the pain she causes the man that she promised to love? Why do you even want a woman like this?

Woggle, everything you asked is what I've been going through with my husband. And I am asking myself the same questions. Why are you always on the man's side when there are women who are treated like garbage by men, too?

[Woggle]

Woggle, everything you asked is what I've been going through with my husband. And I am asking myself the same questions. Why are you always on the man's side when there are women who are treated like garbage by men, too?

 

I knows this sounds sexist but I tend to give men the benefit of the doubt at first because I know how things are for us but if a woman is clearly wrong I will take her side. I don't condone mistreatment from either gender but I do know how some women mistreat a man and then flip it around to make it look he is in the wrong and some posts from some women on this board seem like that is exactly what they are doing. I am not a woman so I can't speak from a woman's experience but I can speak as a man who has been there and back with women. I feel like I can offer some wise words to men on this board going through things.

[Chrome Barracuda]

I hear all these men desperately trying to hold on to women that cheat on them, belittle them and generally treat them like garbage but these men act like they will die when these women leave. Why wouldn't a man be thrilled to have a woman like this out of his life? I have a question to ask these men. When you were single and you thought about the ideal woman did you imagine a woman that has little to no regard for your feelings or if she hurts you? Did you imagine a woman that has no guilt at all over the pain she causes the man that she promised to love? Why do you even want a woman like this?[/quote]

 

You know what it is really that when a man finds out his wife is cheating, is that we set out to fix things, we dont realize that W and WW:wayward wife is not really the same person. We think they are and we beg them because we have so many good memories and the good memories and their retaining is what causes us to hold on, longer than we should.

 

It's not totally our fault, it's just in our nature to fix things, to make it right, to put things the way they were once before. But even at my young age I realized that I have self worth and my self esteem is not contingent on my SO making me happy. She compliments my happiness because I'm happy inside.

 

I also feel as if I really cant trust a woman again after she breaks my heart. I feel as I dont need to fight to keep her, she should be busting her ass to fight for me, she's in the wrong. Also how could I live with myself knowing she emasculated me by sleeping around, am I just supposed to let her get away with it and think it's okay? How could I live with myself especially if people find out, the wont believe me to be a man of my convictions and view me as a doormat. I'd rather have peoples and my self respect than to have a cheating girlfriend back in the fold. If it's so easy for her to cheat and me forgive her for it, What's to say it wont happen again. I'm gonna be looking over my sholder for the rest of my life thinking is she ****ing her female friend? our next door neighbor, her karate instructor. The worst thing in life is uncertanty.

 

I need my peace of mind. But in some speck of heart there lies a small speck that I would take back a cheating woman but those require special circumstances, full remorse, a new personality, a deep seated love, a new view of me through her eyes. And then maybe then I could come back but those odds are very slim to none.

 

I'm sorry that's just the way it is.

[RecordProducer]

I knows this sounds sexist but I tend to give men the benefit of the doubt at first because I know how things are for us but if a woman is clearly wrong I will take her side. I don't condone mistreatment from either gender but I do know how some women mistreat a man and then flip it around to make it look he is in the wrong and some posts from some women on this board seem like that is exactly what they are doing. I am not a woman so I can't speak from a woman's experience but I can speak as a man who has been there and back with women. I feel like I can offer some wise words to men on this board going through things.

Woggle, you're ALWAYS on the man's side and everybody here knows that you HATE women.

[Woggle]

Woggle, you're ALWAYS on the man's side and everybody here knows that you HATE women.

 

There have been cases where I have been on the woman's side and I have scolded cheating men before so I am not always on the man's side. When I hear a woman complaining that she doesn't feel a connection to her husband after nagging and putting him down endlessly then yes I do tell her she is part of the problem. Whether or not she wants to take my advice is another story.

[Trialbyfire]

There have been cases where I have been on the woman's side and I have scolded cheating men before so I am not always on the man's side. When I hear a woman complaining that she doesn't feel a connection to her husband after nagging and putting him down endlessly then yes I do tell her she is part of the problem. Whether or not she wants to take my advice is another story.

So, in my situation, where I didn't scold or complain and gave him everything I could possibly have given him including support, respect, trust, admiration, compliments, being non-controlling and independent, who do you feel is responsible for the serial cheating?

[Woggle]

So, in my situation, where I didn't scold or complain and gave him everything I could possibly have given him including support, respect, trust, admiration, compliments, being non-controlling and independent, who do you feel is responsible for the serial cheating?

 

He is and you better off for getting rid of him.

[Trialbyfire]

He is and you better off for getting rid of him.

Which is what I've been trying to do for months. We're getting very close to it. If all works out, maybe within the next week or two.

[lindya]

So, in my situation, where I didn't scold or complain and gave him everything I could possibly have given him including support, respect, trust, admiration, compliments, being non-controlling and independent, who do you feel is responsible for the serial cheating?

 

I think on a really insidious level, fairytales and Hollywood get through to most of us. One of the destructively schmalzy messages we get is that you can achieve anything with love. You can love a "bad" person into being a good one, a cheat into a paragon of honesty and ethics, a fake person into a real one. If you're truly a good, clever, beautiful, kind and empathic example of a human being, you can turn an emotionally barren desert of an individual into a lush, love-bursting Garden of Eden.

 

Except that in reality that beautiful, empathic person will often be found exhaustedly pouring vast reserves of emotional energy into the gaping maw of some self-absorbed cuckoo chick. One who knows how to make all the correct, appealing noises to keep the supply of food coming - but who's hungrily looking around for other sources even as he/she drains everything they can from the primary source.

 

Why do people trap themselves in these relationships - where they give so much, for so little in return?

 

I wonder if there's a clue in this "bad women versus good men" thing of Woggle's - which strikes me as less about misogyny and more just an extension of his prevailing belief that he's one of a tiny minority of decent human beings in a terrible world. I've seen that message punctuating posts of his that deal with matters other than female-bashing. It's almost as though the easiest way for him to convince himself that he's a good, decent person involves obsessively searching for, and presenting the readers of this board with, examples of women behaving like sh*ts.

 

We laugh at Woggle and his paranoid rantings, but perhaps many of us are guilty of keeping toxic people (or if not the people themselves, just the memories of them) in our lives because the comparison flatters us. You seem like a good, kind and intelligent person, TBF. I'm sure you didn't need to sit some unpassable "perfect girlfriend" test, set by one of life's sh*ts, to prove that.

[ilmw]

I think on a really insidious level, fairytales and Hollywood get through to most of us. One of the destructively schmalzy messages we get is that you can achieve anything with love. You can love a "bad" person into being a good one, a cheat into a paragon of honesty and ethics, a fake person into a real one. If you're truly a good, clever, beautiful, kind and empathic example of a human being, you can turn an emotionally barren desert of an individual into a lush, love-bursting Garden of Eden.

 

Except that in reality that beautiful, empathic person will often be found exhaustedly pouring vast reserves of emotional energy into the gaping maw of some self-absorbed cuckoo chick. One who knows how to make all the correct, appealing noises to keep the supply of food coming - but who's hungrily looking around for other sources even as he/she drains everything they can from the primary source.

 

Why do people trap themselves in these relationships - where they give so much, for so little in return?

 

I wonder if there's a clue in this "bad women versus good men" thing of Woggle's - which strikes me as less about misogyny and more just an extension of his prevailing belief that he's one of a tiny minority of decent human beings in a terrible world. I've seen that message punctuating posts of his that deal with matters other than female-bashing. It's almost as though the easiest way for him to convince himself that he's a good, decent person involves obsessively searching for, and presenting the readers of this board with, examples of women behaving like sh*ts.

 

We laugh at Woggle and his paranoid rantings, but perhaps many of us are guilty of keeping toxic people (or if not the people themselves, just the memories of them) in our lives because the comparison flatters us. You seem like a good, kind and intelligent person, TBF. I'm sure you didn't need to sit some unpassable "perfect girlfriend" test, set by one of life's sh*ts, to prove that.

 

That was a very good post...

[lindya]

That was a very good post...

 

Thank you

[Great Gazoo]

so she cheats on her husband to avenge her assaulter?

 

 

I have no idea, who knows, I was just playing Woggle's game of which gender is more moral and better. That this woman was damaged at a young age and her life will never be the same after and it was probably done by the better gender a male right ??? I think not, there is no better gender.

[Citizen Erased]

I have no idea, who knows, I was just playing Woggle's game of which gender is more moral and better. That this woman was damaged at a young age and her life will never be the same after and it was probably done by the better gender a male right ??? I think not, there is no better gender.

 

There is absolutely no point in playing Woggle's little game. He is a small man who wants to make himself bigger by having a controversial view. No matter what you say, all he will come back with is his repetitive bs, not acknowledging anything anyone has to say that challenges his view, because if he changes then he goes back to being just like everyone else

 

If a constructive conversation is what you want seek it elsewhere everyone.

[Touche]

I don't see how a man who is coming from a place of hatred towards most women can possibly teach other men about women.

 

It's crazy that he believes that he can actually help other men with this attitude. But I guess some of us have our delusions...

[ilmw]

I hear all these men desperately trying to hold on to women that cheat on them, belittle them and generally treat them like garbage but these men act like they will die when these women leave. Why wouldn't a man be thrilled to have a woman like this out of his life? I have a question to ask these men. When you were single and you thought about the ideal woman did you imagine a woman that has little to no regard for your feelings or if she hurts you? Did you imagine a woman that has no guilt at all over the pain she causes the man that she promised to love? Why do you even want a woman like this?

 

Ok.. I'll try posting again... got deleted before.. and I apologise to who ever I offended.. it was not intended to be directed at you... I meant it generally. I guess I should not have quoted your post... and put that in.. (K)

 

To the point... it is simple.. when we are betrayed, hurt, and let down by someone we love enough to even bother marrying... we scramble to find answers. We need to know why... and sometimes we can't see that answer even when it is staring us in the face..

 

We cling to what we are losing... in hope to find those answers.. and in hope of changing the outcome... in desperation.. we cling.. Like a man/ or woman () (gotta put that in)... who is hanging on the edge of a cliff.. you hold on for dear life.. until we are tired.... we fall ... hit rock bottom... (rather cartoonish imagery) We then pick are selves up... and onto the next scene... (or back to getting a life)

 

I myself have been through this before.. getting lied to .. cheated on.. did all of the above... but it took me time to:

 

"Why wouldn't a man be thrilled to have a woman like this out of his life?"

 

Once I had hit rock bottom.. I came to the realization... of the above quote.

 

Love is a crazy emotion... hard to peg down ... unless you want to dissect it scientifically ... (I leave that for Gunny.. he know his sh*t)

 

ilmw

[Craig]

If it were possible to free yourself from the recurring thoughts that you have about women being <insert your words here> would you consider it?

[Teddy and Jane]

I have said time and time again that many women don't fit my description but you can't ignore the bigger social trend of women thinking that men are tools to be used and discarded. You can't deny that many women are angry at all men and are out to get revenge on men. Look at sites like women's infidelity and others and you will see this mentality I am talking about. If you are a woman and don't fit my description then I have nothing against you. Much kudos for resisting the feminist brainwashing and not treating men as the enemy but men need to be careful. I am hear to give men advice on how to deal these issues.

 

I don't know where you get that there is this anti-men movement out there brainwashing women. I think it is pretty much limited to the woman-hating boards where a very small representation of society's men post....the whacko ones. I have female friends, some with relationship problems, others not, and I have never heard bashing of the male gender. I have never heard my married female friends bashing the male gender. I have never heard men in real life have that attitude. I will also state that most of my friends have college educations so they might have a different perspective of reality...don't know. If men who post on those women-bashing boards think that is a realistic portrait of women, they are sorely misguided.