One week before separation

[notspiritual]

I received 2 voicemail from my wife today.

 

vociemail #1: "I have lost my password and my necklace. I came to the conclusion that it must be your parents that stole it from me when I was out of the apartment. I can't believe you are able to do that to me. Now I need my passport back, what do you want from me so I can get it back"

 

voicemail #2: "I found my passport. Sorry I am a bit stressed at the moment"

 

She has not changed at all after 1 month of separation. I was starting to miss her but now I am so glad she is not poisoning my life. What should I respond to that?

1) nothing

2) I am glad you found your stuff

3) Stop blaming me for everything. Stop accusing my familiy without any proof. Learn to organize your stuff so you stop losing them.

4) Bitch, I am glad you're out of my life

5) else?

[azianpride143]

You've always preached to take the high road. Well the high road is to do nothing. I would erase the messages and pretend she never called. She is indirectly trying to connect with you. Trying to see if she can still mess with your mind. Be happy you've gotten rid of her.

[notspiritual]

Thanks AsianPride, I think you’re right. I must not reply. There is no need to

 

I had hopes that the wife will change for her own good but I must learn to see things as they are and not as I wish them to be.

 

Past a certain age, very few people change. They are stuck with the same mindset until they die. They do not grow, they do not question themselves. I have friends with self-limiting beliefs but there is nothing I can do for them. I know people with disrespectful behaviors but again nothing I can do. Some people are so inflexible-minded that no one bother or dare to give them good advice. Inflexibility is death.

 

I know a girl who is a virgin at 32 and complains she can’t find a man but when men approach, she rejects them all. I know two friends who complain they have been single for the last 3 years, when I told them “let’s go meet some new people”, they tell me girls in bar and clubs are whores, we prefer to watch a movie. It is funny how people want something but don’t do anything to get it.

[notspiritual]

Non-contact is bull****. The mistake is to act indifferent. Never be indifferent. Tell her: I want you back, I want you back, I want you back. But never look like you are begging and pleading. Just state what you want with a smile as a self-confident man who knows what he wants. Do it repetitively. You want to be sure that she understands that she is the one who wants to leave. Never let her manipulate you to make the separation looks like a mutual agreement. She just wants to alleviate her guilt, don’t accept that. Don’t let her push you so that it looks like you’re the one that decided to leave her. You want to remind her at every opportunity that you want her back so you need to maintain some contact with her. (I made all these mistakes!)

 

But in the meanwhile, keep growing, become the man you’ve always wanted to be. Keep living, don’t put your life on hold. Meet other women, if you find one that makes you more happy than your wife, that’s great. If you don’t, then keep looking. But at every opportunity tell your wife you want her back. Demonstrate the result of your growth, but don’t say you did that to win her back. You did it for yourself first. She will sense that you are growing into a better man and that she may miss her second chance to be with you because another woman will steal you forever from her. Let her now you are dating other women but that she is still the one for you, you just can’t put your life on hold and wait for her forever. Women being very jealous, there is a high probablitity that she comes back. When she decides to come back, you have to make her work to win you back otherwise she will never value you.

[notspiritual]

I have only one feeling of sadness remaining: the regret that I cannot share with my STBXW the blast of a life that I am now having. All I wanted is that she was happy.

 

My career is at the top, on my way to retire before 45. In great shape, beautiful girls check me out. Salsa skills at my best with currently 15 turn patterns memorized and still growing. Having the time to read a lot, to travel on week-ends, to try plenty of fancy new places (restaurants, bars, etc.) Making many new interesting and powerful friends.

 

The irony is that I would not have been able to live my life this way with my STBXW. My wife did not understand that if she did not try to control me, she would have released me and given me the time to become a better husband that she could ever have imagined. Unfortunately for her, it is not in my nature to be controlled and being dictated to change. Besides, I was temporarily in a slump due to lack of vacation, stress of studies, debt and new job, so I could not change even when I wanted to. I needed time to recover from high stress and work. My STBXW decided to leave me instead of understanding me. With her gone, I naturally started to do all the things she wished I would do more (walking in the park, stopped video games, meeting new people all the time, traveling on week-end, reading spiritual books).

 

Wives should understand that controlling, smothering and threatening their husband does not work. When you leave a man, unknowing of you, he is becoming the perfect husband for the next woman. When you realize your mistake, you’d better hope that he is forgiving or not already with another woman.

[jmargel]

Granted I didn't read all your posts but from the ones I did the impression I got was that you were kind of in a parent/child relationship. You were acting more like a father to her, while in this role she felt that she wasn't being listened to and decided to act the part.

 

The communication between you two turned hostile and defensive. I think from what I gathered is that she needed your help but not in the way you presented it. At some point you two stopped working as a team and both of you are still blaming the other. You can't forgive or learn from your mistakes while you are still doing that.

 

You made as much mistakes as she did. You probably felt unapprecaited and got resentful because of course you had a plan laid out that would benefit her in the future. However maybe this is something she did not want. Laying out such a plan of retiring by 45 is a very stressful one. It basically limits you in alot of ways in terms of doing things now. You don't know how long you are going to live. What if you don't live past another 5 years? All this hard work would not pay off. In the meantime this work is more of a priorty then she was, so all she would have gotten was neglect.

 

Just sounds like she was left out of a lot of decisions. Yes you were there, but it was due to your own plan of things. Good chance she got bitter about not being a part of things. Have you asked her what she wanted for the future?

[Ladyjane14]

That's the beauty of divorce then, isn't it?

 

I'm sure you're wife will be very happy with it too... once she meets a homo sapiens who isn't dragging his knuckles when he walks.

 

It turns out, she had your number all along. You haven't been a very nice man, here these last few weeks, so I very much doubt you were any different with her. And if your prejudice was against race or religion, I imagine you'd have been ejected from this board by now. I can't help but think that if in every instance where you'd used the word "woman" recently, you'd used, for example, a racial epitaph instead, people would see you clearly for what you are.

[notspiritual]

Have you asked her what she wanted for the future?

 

All the time. She changed her mind every day! One day she wanted to go to London, another day she wanted to get a master in the US, another one she wanted to go back live in our home country. I agreed with her every time! But these decisions take time to prepare but she changed her mind all the time. In the end, I figured out she did not know what she wanted so I was afraid to finance her 40k studies in the US, or moving into the unknown in London or go back to poverty in our home country. I was ready to do anything if she knew what she wanted but she did not.

[notspiritual]

race or religion

You haven't been a very nice man, here these last few weeks,

people would see you clearly for what you are.

 

Don’t try to accuse me for things I am not saying. I know you don’t like my posts, but I am not on LS to agree with everyone. I am here to give my perspectives on things and discuss ideas. My opinions on relationship sometimes don’t match with yours, so what? It is not a reason to try to accuse me for things I am not saying.

 

You will never fully understand a man’s perspective on things because you are a woman. I am not a kind of caveman with strange ideas: different readers appreciated or agreed with posts you would likely disagree with.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t125117/ read post 12 by hopeful

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1259153#post1259153 read post 6by dbtmarley

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123623&page=3 read post 42 by herzen

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1244216#post1244216 read post 15 by quiet1one1

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119521&page=6 read post 81 by azianpride

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119521&page=5 read post 75 by Woogle

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=119521&page=3 read post 37 by michael pain

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123623&page=2 read post 21 by Gunny

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=90264&page=45 read post 674 by ilmw

 

so I very much doubt you were any different with her

 

These new ideas occurred to me AFTER the separation. I saw this new reality after being hurt badly. But you may want to know the irony. I was in fact what people called a super Nice Guy with my wife and that is very likely why she left me. So don’t try to deduct how bad I treated her from my post because if I was a jerk at that time, there’s a better chance that she’d still be around

[Ladyjane14]

It is not a reason to try to accuse me for things I am not saying.

 

Let's review some of those 'things you're not saying' then, shall we?

 

...very few women have the intelligence to improve what they have, instead they look elsewhere. That’s the way most women solve their problems, they flee them. There are very very few high quality women....

 

...most women are only attracted to money and only care about their stupid goals: a baby at 30, an expensive marriage party paid by her husband, an expensive honeymoon paid by her husband, wasting her husband’s time and not letting him work....

 

...These western women are most often considered as whores by the rest of the world....

 

...Every man should believe he deserves a wife who adores him, admires him and treat him like a God. She is not difficult to find, she simply does not live in the US where most women are only attracted by money and by how expensive their ring will be....

 

...Most women hate their husbands they only stay for the money and when they leave, they try to leave with their husband’s money....

 

...go out and f*ck 10 other women and you’ll see your wife was not that special at all. You are jealous because you still think she is somehow unique. It is an illusion, she's just another walking pussy. It is a woman's nature to leave you sooner or later for other dicks. Most women don't believe this until they actually do leave their husband for other dicks....

 

...It is a woman’s nature to leave a man when he cannot provide anymore. Like most women, all that your wife wanted was to have kids and your money to raise them. Now that you’ve lost your financial situation, she is leaving you. Most women only want the easy ride, when life gets tough they will chase other dicks....

 

...Women have absolutely no value to men except to get fu**ed....

 

We could go on and on... but I'm bored now.

 

Use of the word "most" does not defend your disgusting misogyny, nor your hate language.

 

Which women are you referring to anyway?

Because my MOTHER is a woman, so am I, so was my GRANDMOTHER, and so too is my SISTER and my DAUGHTER. I'd punch a man's lights out, same as any MAN would, for talking about about my daughter that way. I'd kick his ass or he'd kick mine, but you better believe blood would spill.

 

How low is your intellect that you can't see your offense? And if this is your attitude about Western culture, why is it you don't go on back to wherever the f*ck you came from? Could it possibly have something to do with the economic resources of the west? And if it does, doesn't that mean you're in it for the money? How does THAT jibe with your description of "most" women. Looks like it MAKES you pretty damn near just what you've described... sans vagina.

[notspiritual]

Use of the word "most" does not defend your disgusting misogyny, nor your hate language.

 

I don’t hate women. I think they are wonderful creatures in many ways. That’s why I want to know as many of them as I can and that’s why I recommend men to have a harem (multiple long term relationships) rather than get married. I am not even blaming women, they are the way they are. I am not complaining. I am just observing how they tend to behave and try to adapt myself to this environment given this information.

 

And if this is your attitude about Western culture, why is it you don't go on back to wherever the f*ck you came from?

 

And I am the one you accuse of racism ? LOL

Also, what makes you think a western white guy cannot be critical of his own culture?

 

Which women are you referring to anyway?

All my observations are based on my experience and the experience of many others.

 

How low is your intellect that you can't see your offense?

My intention is certainly not to offend. I provide my obervations. Don’t blame me, I am not responsible for what I observe around me.

 

Could it possibly have something to do with the economic resources of the west? And if it does, doesn't that mean you're in it for the money? How does THAT jibe with your description of "most" women.

 

Do not compare moving to another country for economic reason and getting married for economic reason. Again I don't blame women for that. All I say is that men should know it.

[Ladyjane14]

I don’t hate women. I think they are wonderful creatures in many ways.

 

Oooooh... it REALLY shows. What with all your kind and complimentary verbiage. :rolleyes:

 

 

And I am the one you accuse of racism ? LOL

Also, what makes you think a western white guy cannot be critical of his own culture?

 

Hey, I'm not the one who referred to western women as "whores" in the eyes of the world. (Oh.. and not all misogynists are white, btw. Neither are all western women.)

 

All my observations are based on my experience and the experience of many others.

 

You haven't been out much then, have you?

 

My intention is certainly not to offend.

 

Yeah. It was. There's no possible way that a guy who's capable of taking the time to write down the crap you've posted here doesn't know what it means.

 

Do not compare moving to another country for economic reason and getting married for economic reason. Again I don't blame women for that. All I say is that men should know it.

 

Free country, bub. I can "compare" whatever I like. Women are allowed to do that here.

 

And since you've compared "most women" to what can loosely be described as economic parasites, I don't see any reason why I should abstain from making the same connection in what YOU are doing. What are you but an "economic parasite"?... immersed in a culture that you apparently despise for the sake of profit.

 

"America baby... love it or leave it!"

[notspiritual]

Hey, I'm not the one who referred to western women as "whores" in the eyes of the world. (Oh.. and not all misogynists are white, btw. Neither are all western women.)

That’s what people tell me when I traveled to Middle East and Asia. That’s what my foreign friends tell me. I am a western guy, you know.

 

Free country, bub. I can "compare" whatever I like. Women are allowed to do that here.

Yeah, you know I meant “it is not comparable”.

 

And since you've compared "most women" to what can loosely be described as economic parasites,

OMG, I never said that, you said it !!!

 

What are you but an "economic parasite"?...

I am paying a lot of tax for the US Government, probably more than what 90% of the US citizens pay.

 

 

"America baby... love it or leave it!"

LOL, you sounds like Bush: “Either you are with us or against us.”

By the way, I love America, but that does not mean I cannot critisize some aspects of it. Heck, I love America so much that I am doing my best to adapt myself to this “pro-women” environment.

[Ladyjane14]

OMG, I never said that, you said it !!!

 

Yeah you did. Deny it all you want, but that's what you've been saying about "most" women once we condense it down to it's basic components.

 

I am paying a lot of tax for the US Government, probably more than what 90% of the US citizens pay.

 

The United States allows more legal immigration annually that ALL other countries on the planet combined. And that's before we start bringing illegal immigration into it. Personally as a U.S. citizen, I'm absolutely SICK of people who come into my country, dragging their petty-ass, weak-minded, antiquated prejudices with them. For those who immigrate legally with the intent to become AMERICAN, embracing our ideals, JOINING our culture, and making a viable social contribution, hey... that's one thing. For those who come here for the sole purpose of suckling the economic teat, that's something entirely different.

 

Referring to western women as "whores", or most women as "walking pussies" isn't quite 'embracing the ideal' or 'joining the culture', is it? Defending your prejudices based on what you're told in the Middle East or Asia only proves your rejection of Western principles.

What are we left with if not "suckling the teat"?

 

And in that light, how is your attitude intrinsically different from what you've accused "most" women of doing to men? The way I see it, you're essentially doing the same exact thing, only you're doing it to a country rather than a man.

 

You're a fool if you believe that ANYBODY is impressed with your tax contribution. American ideals are not for sale for one thing. And for another... if you were still living in whatever little bumfuque country you came from... you would doubtless not have the salary with which to contribute oh-so-generously to the tax base.

 

 

LOL, you sounds like Bush: “Either you are with us or against us.”

By the way, I love America...

 

Yeah... it really shows. You're just a regular Yankee Doodle, ain't ya?

[notspiritual]

that's what you've been saying about "most" women once we condense it down to it's basic components.

I am afraid you misinterpreted my words. You are the one who brought up the words "economic parasites".

 

The United States allows more legal immigration annually that ALL other countries on the planet combined. And that's before we start bringing illegal immigration into it. Personally as a U.S. citizen, I'm absolutely SICK antiquated prejudices with them. For those who immigrate legally with the intent to become AMERICAN, embracing our ideals, JOINING our culture, and making a viable social contribution, hey... that's one thing. For those who come here for the sole purpose of suckling the economic teat, that's something entirely different.

 

And in that light, how is your attitude intrinsically different from what you've accused "most" women of doing to men? The way I see it, you're essentially doing the same exact thing, only you're doing it to a country rather than a man.

 

American ideals are not for sale for one thing. And for another... if you were still living in whatever little bumfuque country you came from... you would doubtless not have the salary with which to contribute oh-so-generously to the tax base.

This is off-topic. I am not interested in discussing politics with you. If you’re not happy, vote for a better president or run for presidency.

 

Referring to western women as "whores", or most women as "walking pussies" isn't quite 'embracing the ideal' or 'joining the culture', is it? Defending your prejudices based on what you're told in the Middle East or Asia only proves your rejection of Western principles. What are we left with if not "suckling the teat"?

I believe readers would benefit to know how some people are perceived by other people. If you don’t like the freedom of speech of America, then follow your own advice and leave America.

 

You're a fool if you believe that ANYBODY is impressed with your tax contribution.

I was explaining to you why most foreigners coming to work in the US are not economic parasites as you call them. America needs the contribution of these foreigners to grow economically or their competitiveness will suffer. Read this for your information: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6542347/site/newsweek/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/23/AR2007022301697.html

[Gunny376]

WTF is your major malfucuntion NS!

 

Not all women are screwed up Granted a lot are, just as a lot of men are!

 

LJ's got her head and azz wired together ~ got her s**** together! She's 2 X 4 and 6 X 6!

 

Just because you and I didn't have it wired together ~ ain't no reason to "disc" LJ!

[Ladyjane14]

I am afraid you misinterpreted my words. You are the one who brought up the words "economic parasites".

 

But YOU are the one who brought up it's meaning.

 

This is off-topic. I am not interested in discussing politics with you. If you’re not happy, vote for a better president or run for presidency.

 

I find it difficult to believe you could be quite so obtuse while commanding that big-ass salary, but no... it's not off-topic. I'm simply pointing out that your motives and behavior are not so different from that which you've ascribed to your STBXW and to "most" women.

 

I believe readers would benefit to know how some people are perceived by other people.

 

So do I. Hence my presence on this particular thread.

 

If you don’t like the freedom of speech of America, then follow your own advice and leave America.

 

Oh.. I certainly do appreciate and utilize my "Freedom of Speech". But isn't it convenient how bigots can espouse one American ideal while rejecting another? "Freedom of Speech" is okay, but Equality is not. (????)

 

I was explaining to you why most foreigners coming to work in the US are not economic parasites as you call them. America needs the contribution of these foreigners to grow economically or their competitiveness will suffer.

 

I wouldn't doubt that I'm better informed on Immigration Issues than you are. And while I heartily DISAGREE that "America needs the contribution of these foreigners" ... further discussion of that issue here really would change the thread topic. It wouldn't be all about little ole' YOU, now would it?

 

 

(Don't worry about it, Gunns. He's just having a little trouble comparing concepts.

No biggie.)

[azianpride143]

NS I know your a great guy deep down. But bro your last marriage has left you messed up and jaded. I know your hurting and just want to lash out. Get yourself in IC since you seem to be in denial mode. I was there once so I know how it feels.

[notspiritual]

But YOU are the one who brought up it's meaning.

The meaning of “economic parasite” for me is someone who does not contribute economically to society but live on society’s resources.

 

I never considered women as “economic parasites”, it is your misinterpretation of my words. A woman can have her own salary and will still get married mainly for money. Even if the woman does not earn a living, I do not consider women as “economic parasites” because she usually does contribute economically in different ways, like volunteer work.

 

That is one of the reasons why I told you I don’t hate women, I admire the fact that they can spend so much of their time on activities where there are not being compensated. Usually, to keep doing these activities, they need to find a man to pay the bills.

 

He's just having a little trouble comparing concepts.

I understood what you were saying: a woman who marries a man just for his money has similar motives and behaviors as a foreigner who go to USA just for economic reason.

 

I repeat that it is not comparable. The man don’t know his wife's economical motives whereas the US know about the foreigner’s economical motives and welcome it by providing working visas and green cards. The fact that you don’t like the way the US handle immigration is a political subject and I repeat I am not interested in talking politics.

 

WTF is your major malfucuntion NS! Not all women are screwed up

bro your last marriage has left you messed up and jaded.

I hear you. But I don’t feel messed up and I seem to function normally. I recognize I need to be more politically correct.

[Ladyjane14]

The meaning of “economic parasite” for me is someone who does not contribute economically to society but live on society’s resources.

 

Semantics. If you contribute nothing of merit to the social fabric of the nation, but rather suckle the economic teat... what would YOU prefer to call it?

 

I never considered women as “economic parasites”, it is your misinterpretation of my words. A woman can have her own salary and will still get married mainly for money. Even if the woman does not earn a living, I do not consider women as “economic parasites” because she usually does contribute economically in different ways, like volunteer work.

 

That is one of the reasons why I told you I don’t hate women, I admire the fact that they can spend so much of their time on activities where there are not being compensated. Usually, to keep doing these activities, they need to find a man to pay the bills.

 

You've got to be f*cking kidding me.

You can't even manage a couple of paragraphs without disparaging women?... not even when you're really trying to impress us with how you "don't hate women"?

 

I understood what you were saying: a woman who marries a man just for his money has similar motives and behaviors as a foreigner who go to USA just for economic reason.

 

I repeat that it is not comparable. The man don’t know his wife's economical motives whereas the US know about the foreigner’s economical motives and welcome it by providing working visas and green cards. The fact that you don’t like the way the US handle immigration is a political subject and I repeat I am not interested in talking politics.

 

Hmmm... let's see. Did you happen to mention on your application that you consider "most" Western women to be whores?... bearing in mind of course that women comprise roughly half of our population as well as our national stance on equality. Did you give them your theory on "walking pussies"? Did you tell them, like you told us, "Women have absolutely no value to men except to get fu**ed"???

 

How 'bout your employer? Did you happen to mention any of that happy horsesh*t to your employer at the time of hire?

 

Didn't think so.

Because you know fully well what would've happened if you had displayed your bigotry so openly. You'd have been out of a job, and punted across the nearest border like a football.

 

It's EXACTLY the same.... your claim that women marry under false pretenses in order to get money, and my claim that YOU immigrated to this country under false pretenses in order to get money.

 

 

 

Now, the way I see it, there are only TWO possibilities here:

 

Either you're a misogynistic bigot, a parasite, and a hypocrite.

Or... maybe... just maybe... you're a guy who got his feelings hurt when his marriage went under, got upset, and said a whole lot of sh*t he really didn't mean.

 

So, what's it gonna be?

[Gunny376]

The fact of the matter is that any and all women are going to be a problem sooner or latter, just as any and all men have the potential to be the same to any given woman.

 

Indeed? The fact of the matter is? Not only are all women (and men) going to cause you trouble, the very real fact of the matter is that most of them are more trouble than they're worth.

 

That does not by construct mean that all women are whores and economic parasites out to get and take a man for any and everything that he has (or at least half). I personally know several women in my local area who just wanted and fair settlement. One woman who was married to a Bro of mine from HS who had inheirted the family bussines that goes back to 1901, could have taken half. But she didn't, she simply asked for him to help her build and pay for her a nice but modest house about a half mile down the road from the martial home (in rural Alabama). She doesn't collect alimony, and since the children could come and go from Mom's and Dad's there wasn't any CS. Everyone came out happier for the result.

 

I've a Mom, two sisters, and a daughter. Let me hear some joker call them a whore (or hear about it) and he'll be picking his teeth up off the ground ~ I can promise you that

 

As I said, all women are problems, (Don't get smug about it ~ you're a problem to them as well). The trick is to recognize early on what kind of problem a woman is most likely to present ~ and the faster that you can do that? The more likely that the two of you will have a happy relationship.

 

The potential problem women?

 

The rich bitch

 

The alcoholic / druggie

 

The therapist

 

The princess

 

The "I hate you for loving me?"

 

The bar-fighter/cat fighter

 

The depressed

 

The angry feminist

 

The arguer

 

The complainer ~ whinner

 

The religious moralist

 

The drama queen

 

The nag

 

The wounded bird

 

The stalker

 

The anorexic

 

The hypochondriac

 

The enabler/rescuer

 

The perfomace artist

 

The control freak

 

The know it all

 

The perfectionlist

 

The know it all

 

The look-gooder

 

The earth mother

 

Of course it goes without saying you can have any and all the above, and add in a little mental or emotional disorder which any human being, man or woman can be demonizied with (OCD, bi-polar, depression etc) and you've got a tiger by the tail.

 

Good women (or men for the matter) or like good jobs. They're around and they do exsist ~ trouble is, the folks that have them plan on hanging on to them, they've had them for a good while and you're going to have to fight them if not kill them to get them away from them! When one does come up on the market? Like any good deal they don't stay on the market for very long!

 

I'm single, and I know that I've got more to offer most women in my neck of the woods than they've got to offer me. Most of the women running around here? All they've got to offer me is sex and the potential to give birth to my off-spring. Thing is? I've got two grown children, and I'm out of the child rearing, child support business, and not looking to get back into it. If it happens? I'll step up to the plate and put the Big boy britches on and handle my business.

 

Trouble is? As a combat vet? I'm not going to be silly and send Willie out without his helmet?

 

IMHO NS? You're trying to live too fast, and accomplish too much to quickly.

 

Retire by 45 ~ Hey! I retired from the Corps when I was 38. And, yea, yea, I know you're proud of your six-figure income up in NYNY ~ and I'm just an old Marine ground-pounder Grunt. But, I could go into work on Monday and tell the boss man to go pound sand in his azz for the rest of his life and still keep a roof over my head, drive a new car, yadda, yadda. The nut I've got crack each month to live a quality life is about $250 a month and that's only because I decided to go and buy a new car a couple years back.

 

I actually took off for six months and did the Margarettiville thing. Laid out by the pool, checked out the co-ed's young enough to be my daughter types, ad nauseam. Went to Panama City, Fl for a couple of months, became a beach bum. Blew out a couple of flip-flops, lost a couple of salt shakers ~ tha' works.

 

Here to tell ya! Hate to be the one to break the news to you? But, retirement? SUCKS! Men aren't meant to sit around on their dead asses and do NOTHING all day long!

 

The guy that I work for now? Just one of his compaines that he owns pulled down 127 million. Collectively in 2001, they made 350 million here in Alabama. (Not counting CA, MS, GA, NC, IL, etc) and he's the most miserable SOB I've ever meet! I mean this poor bastard is richer than there is dirt and hating life! He hasn't any close friends, because they've all screwed him over and stole from him!

 

The optiumn income is about $40,000 for any one individual. You're making that, you're good to go. Not in NYNY, nor LA, but in rural America? 40K goes along way. A 1000 square foot apartment on Park Ave goes for a million, in Alabama it buys you a plantation.

 

Anything pass $40K ~ you're living to work~not working to live!

[notspiritual]

People have different views on differents things and this is normal. People have the freedom to adopt different philosophies to go through life, they have the freedom to think what they want as long as they respect the laws.

 

Because one person, for example, believes in communism, or hates Bush, or is pro-Kyoto protocol, or is against guns private ownership or follows the Koran, in other words have opinions that differs from the majority of the people, is not a reason to kick them out the country as long as they do not do anything illegal. This would be very intolerant and dictatorial.

 

Because LJ and Gunny disagree with me, I will keep on researching, analysing, exploring to see if my current observations on women are not biased before posting on the subject again.

[notspiritual]

To Gunny's list I will add (from Xuma's e-Book):

 

Unstable or Downright Crazy.

The Gold-digger/Super-ambitious.

Unable to Commit – The Female Player.

Violent and Abusive.

The Flake/ The Sketch: incapable of follow-through, never delivers.

The Thrill-Seeker: she only wants to be around you when it’s fun.

The Bitch/Nag: manipulates men through a constant stream of verbal assaults.

The Control Freak/Man-master: she wants to have you completely under her thumb.

The Me-monkey: truly in love with herself and believes all men should worship her.

Insubstantial Woman: she is barely there.

Emotional Leech/Clingy-Needy Chick.

The Narcissist: she is defined by how other people see her.

The baby: this gal is unbelievably immature, acts like a spoiled brat much of the time.

[sumdude]

WOW, I go away for a few days and look at the flame fest here...

 

NS all I'll say is that every disparaging comment you make about women is equally attributable to men. So how about considering leaving it at something like... There are few truly quality people in the world.

 

It's also important to weed your own garden before ponting out the dandelions in your neighbors yard.

 

 

(What is it with me and the gardening lately anyway ) lol

 

As far as the whole immigration thing ... people want a better life and that's why they come here. We all do things to just survive. Integrating in this society works both ways and it changes constantly. There is no one US society... compare say the Louisiana bayou with Manhattan ... heck compare the upper East Side with Chinatown and Harlem.

[Gunny376]

Because LJ and Gunny disagree with me, I will keep on researching, analysing, exploring to see if my current observations on women are not biased before posting on the subject again.

 

Its not so much that you and I are in disagrement NS, indeed I'm inclinded to agree with many of your statements. And perhaps what infering from your posts is not what your implying, 90 % of communication between human beings is non-verbal.

 

My one and only objection to your posts is that it comes across to me as your making "blanket" statements about all women ~ the only thing that is absolute about human beings is that no two or absolutely the same.

 

Just because some people are criminals ~ does not mean that all people are criminals. This would be like saying that becase some black kids are gang-bangers, that all black kids are gang-bangers, and that's just so not true.

 

Just because you and I had one bad expierce with one woman or two, doesn't by definition make all women ~ bad women.

 

Granted, you have to cast a wide net to find one or two really good ones, but they are out there. But, again they're like finding a good job, they're hard to come by, the people that have them have had them for a good long while, the plan on keeping them and you're just about going to have to kill them to get them away.

 

Just like your job, only about 2% of the American population earn in excess of $100K. Are you just going to sit idly by and let some joker walk in and take it from you? I think not?

 

And the otherside of the coin is this. When you go to pointing fingers at someone, you need to look at the three you've got pointing back at youself.

 

I recognize and fully appreciate the hard work you've done to get to where you're at. With that said, in the sum of your life, and both your formal and in-formal education where did you learn how to be married? I would say if your like most of us ~ you've never had one formal class in marriage, inter-personal relationship, inter-personal communication, etc.

 

You come across as a guy who is well read, and educated both formally and informaly, and knowa lot about a lot of things.

 

In so far as immigration my only objection is its just not fair to put a legal immigrant (or someone who attempting to immigarte legaly) through hoops and barrels, and years (seven to ten in some cases) tens of thousands of dollars, having to hire lawyers to wade through a mountain of paperwork, forms and BS, and then give amesty to millions of illegal immigrants, not to mention the benefit of social services at American (and legal immigrants) that pay for them with their hard earned tax dollars.