Are you better looking than MM's wife?

[mopar crazy]

Well, you might have a point on that cause if H had actually spent more time looking at the OW, he might NOT have cheated with her.

He forgot to tell me about that big mole on her cheek. Ugh!

 

Of course, when I saw her I knew he'd only cheated with her cause she was easy. My first impression of her was long frizzy hair, bucked teeth(wonder why?) and overalls. OVERALLS!

 

Talk about cornpone!

 

Did you tell him "You f@cked THAT!" LOL! Ya know Shelly, even though the pain was the worst, we have to sit back and laugh, just a little, that they chose T and A to have an A w/ b/c their standards weren't very high. Makes ya want to slap them upside the head and say "You risked our M and family for that skank! You're a moron!"

 

I remember telling H "If you're going to have an A at least you could of picked someone who was good looking!" He just laughed. Jerk! Four years later he realized I was right!

[mopar crazy]

I'm describing the general rule and you're describing the exception to the rule.

 

I stll think the "general rule" is that cheating men will go for younger, more attractive women.

 

If you said you think it's "not always the case" that would be different. Bit you're saying afairs "don't have much to do with looks at all".

 

In most cases - (generl rule) looks are a very big factor.

 

"giving it up" as a factor??? Of course! Why cheat on a wife with a sexless woman? And remember - I'm talking general rule.

True Greg. This got me thinking. If a MM had an A w/ a woman b/c she was gorgeous would it just be about the sex? I would say 9x out of 10 it would start out as sex and then possibly turning into something emotional. I know my H A started out as an EA.

[GregsBad]

Well, you might have a point on that cause if H had actually spent more time looking at the OW, he might NOT have cheated with her.

He forgot to tell me about that big mole on her cheek. Ugh!

 

Of course, when I saw her I knew he'd only cheated with her cause she was easy. My first impression of her was long frizzy hair, bucked teeth(wonder why?) and overalls. OVERALLS!

 

Talk about cornpone!

 

Again - you're case is an exception to the rule.

But you're using your rare exception as a basis for what (you have deducted) the majority of cheaters are doing.

 

You're man did the hanky panky with one of the HEE-HAW chorus girls.

VERY UNIQUE - you must admit

[Tomcat33]

Really? Well, that sure is something to be proud of.

 

I think it's the OW's problem when she chooses to cheat with another woman's H, even if said MM is giving the OW permission to cheat with him and go out publicly. That sure shows a selfish side to the MM that you seem proud to speak about.

You should respect yourself more than to run around town with someone else's H.

I seem to be as proud to say I wouldn't be seen out with someone else's H as you are to be seen with someone else's H. Ironic, isn't it?

 

How do you feel about this guy now that you are seperated?

 

It's not about being proud to be seen with another woman's H it's about giving myself the worth I deserve. If he was ready to be with me (he was moved out and living on his own when we started dating) then I am not about to play some role to protect a liar, in order to be with him.

Why should I lend myself to that just to protect him!?!?

 

He assured me he was fine with taking the risk that she might find out but that he was not ready to confront her about it just yet because it would be too hard on her. So if that was his story (which I didn't agree with but it was his choice) fine, but I was not about to make any personal sacrifices (more than I already was by being involved with someone who was still married) for this man because of the way he chose to handle things. I am not some dirty secret to be lived in the back on some sweaty car seat in a dark alley. Nor will I EVER put myself in that situation. With him it was the complete opposite, it shocked me just how open he was considering he refused to tell his W about us.

 

When we first met the first months he would call me from his home having his W in the other room and telling me all sorts of things while she was in the other room that alone felt disgusting let lone having an A (we were not involved until he moved out) . I hated every minute of that it felt GROSS. I cut him out of my life for moths he looked called me up several months later when he moved out. IF at that point he was leaving another rel behind and was willing to live the next one out in the open, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT mind would say "no please let's keep it a secret"...well not me at least.

[GregsBad]

It's not about being proud to be seen with another woman's H it's about giving myself the worth I deserve. If he was ready to be with me (he was moved out and living on his own when we started dating) then I am not about to play some role to protect a liar, in order to be with him.

Why should I lend myself to that just to protect him!?!?

 

He assured me he was fine with taking the risk that she might find out but that he was not ready to confront her about it just yet because it would be too hard on her. So if that was his story (which I didn't agree with but it was his choice) fine, but I was not about to make any personal sacrifices (more than I already was by being involved with someone who was still married) for this man because of the way he chose to handle things. I am not some dirty secret to be lived in the back on some sweaty car seat in a dark alley. Nor will I EVER put myself in that situation. With him it was the complete opposite, it shocked me just how open he was considering he refused to tell his W about us.

 

When we first met the first months he would call me from his home having his W in the other room and telling me all sorts of things while she was in the other room that alone felt disgusting let lone having an A (we were not involved until he moved out) . I hated every minute of that it felt GROSS. I cut him out of my life for moths he looked called me up several months later when he moved out. IF at that point he was leaving another rel behind and was willing to live the next one out in the open, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT mind would say "no please let's keep it a secret"...well not me at least.

 

FWIW - all make sense to me.

[mopar crazy]

It's not about being proud to be seen with another woman's H it's about giving myself the worth I deserve. If he was ready to be with me (he was moved out and living on his own when we started dating) then I am not about to play some role to protect a liar, in order to be with him.

Why should I lend myself to that just to protect him!?!?

 

He assured me he was fine with taking the risk that she might find out but that he was not ready to confront her about it just yet because it would be too hard on her. So if that was his story (which I didn't agree with but it was his choice) fine, but I was not about to make any personal sacrifices (more than I already was by being involved with someone who was still married) for this man because of the way he chose to handle things. I am not some dirty secret to be lived in the back on some sweaty car seat in a dark alley. Nor will I EVER put myself in that situation. With him it was the complete opposite, it shocked me just how open he was considering he refused to tell his W about us.

 

When we first met the first months he would call me from his home having his W in the other room and telling me all sorts of things while she was in the other room that alone felt disgusting let lone having an A (we were not involved until he moved out) . I hated every minute of that it felt GROSS. I cut him out of my life for moths he looked called me up several months later when he moved out. IF at that point he was leaving another rel behind and was willing to live the next one out in the open, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT mind would say "no please let's keep it a secret"...well not me at least.

 

My FWH didn't start their PA until after he moved out of the martial home. He even filed for a D. We even went to court. He still did not want to be seen out in public locally w/ the OW. What does that say about that R? He claims he didn't want me to find out as I was hurting about the D as it was. But, I already knew and had proof of the A and he knew it but he still continued not to take her out in public locally.

[Tomcat33]

Did you tell him "You f@cked THAT!" LOL! Ya know Shelly, even though the pain was the worst, we have to sit back and laugh, just a little, that they chose T and A to have an A w/ b/c their standards weren't very high. Makes ya want to slap them upside the head and say "You risked our M and family for that skank! You're a moron!"

 

I remember telling H "If you're going to have an A at least you could of picked someone who was good looking!" He just laughed. Jerk! Four years later he realized I was right!

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Well ladies I'm afraid it's a no win situation, no matter how you look at the OW she will always be inferior to you in your eyes, the bottom line is she will always be a just "skank" to you. IF she is smart but not as attractive as you she was a "skank", if she was better looking and emotionally not that attractive she is a "skank". I really don't think it says a lot about your men if they picked these bottom of the barrel type women to risk it all with.

Furthermore, after seeing that they picked such low women to be promiscuous with you still accepted them back?

 

If my H picked the town whore to cheat on me it would change him in my eyes for ever he would no longer deserve to be with a woman like myself.

But that's just me.

[Tomcat33]

My FWH didn't start their PA until after he moved out of the martial home. He even filed for a D. We even went to court. He still did not want to be seen out in public locally w/ the OW. What does that say about that R? He claims he didn't want me to find out as I was hurting about the D as it was. But, I already knew and had proof of the A and he knew it but he still continued not to take her out in public locally.

 

Mopar: yeah I hear what you are saying, and I never understood why he wanted to protect his W by not telling her and risk her finding out in the worst form possible, third hand. But for some odd reason that is their train of reasoning when in the situation, there is no accounting for how people choose to handle situations. Trying to prevent pain by being secretive, causes more pain in the long-run. I think it's more that these guys are not 100% sure of what they want so they want to keep both doors open just in case, that's what it really boils down to because they tend to act out of selfishness and less out of empathy.

 

By the way Mopar what does the F in FWH stand for? I know dumb question...LOL but I really can't figure it out: "First"?

 

GB: thanks

[mopar crazy]

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Well ladies I'm afraid it's a no win situation, no matter how you look at the OW she will always be inferior to you in your eyes, the bottom line is she will always be a just "skank" to you. IF she is smart but not as attractive as you she was a "skank", if she was better looking and emotionally not that attractive she is a "skank". I really don't think it says a lot about your men if they picked these bottom of the barrel type women to risk it all with.

Furthermore, after seeing that they picked such low women to be promiscuous with you still accepted them back?

 

If my H picked the town whore to cheat on me it would change him in my eyes for ever he would no longer deserve to be with a woman like myself.

But that's just me.

I wouldn't say she was the town whore, she was the factory whore. There was another woman that was the town whore and H wouldn't of touched her w/ a ten foot pole. He was talked about poorly when his co-workers found out he was having an A w/ the "factory bicycle."

 

H found the xOW attractive on an emotional level, not on a physical one. He told me that she paid attention to him, made him feel wanted, her face lit up every time he walked into the room. Basically, what we had when we were first dating and M. Well, if my H would of been a H and a father instead of a drunk going out almost every night maybe I would of paid more attention to him. It took me 10 years of putting up w/ his crap to finally put my foot down and tell him enough is enough. He quit drinking and stayed home a little more but about 4 months later he started his EA w/ the OW.

 

I wasn't going to take my H back, at first. I was going on w/ my life. My sis and sil were trying to fix me up w/ guys, I wasn't interested and one was very attractive. I still loved my H even though he tore my world apart. But, he did do a lot for me to proof that he was stupid and he wanted to make it right.

 

What you said about not taking him back if your H had an A w/ the town whore reminds me of the thread I have on the Infidelity side. Don't say you wouldn't unless you have been through it. I also at one time thought if my H had an A I wouldn't take him back.

[mopar crazy]

Mopar: yeah I hear what you are saying, and I never understood why he wanted to protect his W by not telling her and risk her finding out in the worst form possible, third hand. But for some odd reason that is their train of reasoning when in the situation, there is no accounting for how people choose to handle situations. Trying to prevent pain by being secretive, causes more pain in the long-run. I think it's more that these guys are not 100% sure of what they want so they want to keep both doors open just in case, that's what it really boils down to because they tend to act out of selfishness and less out of empathy.

 

By the way Mopar what does the F in FWH stand for? I know dumb question...LOL but I really can't figure it out: "First"?

 

GB: thanks

 

 

F stands for former.

 

I'm putting my OW hat on to answer your reply. When I was an OW to a man in a CR he didn't take me out in public either. Well, I guess he did take me out in his car riding around and drinking a few beers. He even took me to a party where a bunch of mutual friends were. I don't think they all realized we were having a sexual R either. I wanted him to take me out in public. Out to eat, movies, whatever, but he never did. I was his little secret. I didn't care though, as long as I was w/ him. But now that I look back on it 20 years later I should have never put up w/ it. If he wanted to be w/ me, he should of dumped his live in GF and started a R w/ me. He didn't.

 

BW hat on now. If I were the xOW I would honestly be pissed that he wasn't willing to take me out in public. I would feel that he was ashamed of what we had. If he was going through a D why not take me out in public?

 

It's been four years since the A and I know H isn't lying but the reasoning behind not taking her out in public b/c he was ashamed of what he was doing. He didn't even take her to his BF house and introduce them. In fact his BF didn't even know he was involved w/ the OW.

 

 

Oh, and about the xOW being smart, she was far from that!

[Tomcat33]

Mopar: I understand what you are saying, and it looks like you at least acknowledge what he saw in the OW at the time. I guess my comment was more directed at Shell because every time she posts she cannot refrain from using the word "skank" and really you can read it so many times until it starts to sound really bad. I understand she is angry for what her H did but I think it does her a disservice to keep refering to her in such derrogatory terms, afterall her H did spend his quality time away from her and with this OW and she still chose to accept him back. So the more she points out what a low life this woman was it sort of takes away from her worth. Sorry I don't mean any disrepect it's just an observation.

 

As per your comment re never say never, I know what you are saying but judging from my past and when I did experience being cheated on I can say that the cheating changed him in my eyes for ever, and I never looked back. Granted I was not married to him but had I been I think it would have been EVEN WORSE. So I am pretty certain that if that did happen to me I just could not accpet it. But again, that is just me, that's not to say it cannot work for others. I think being with the town skank would def seal the coffin for me.

 

Some people say "I would never cheat" or I would never get involved with someone involved, well I can say I would not take back someone who cheated on me...it's what we blieve is true given our character.

[mopar crazy]

Well, Shelly and I are friends off the board and she has told me a lot, if not all, about the xOW, and from what she says, she is a skank. I think what Shelly went through had to be so hard. She had/has a happy M, no signs of major problems and then he has an A. It was a huge slap in her face. My H at least filed for a D to be w/ his OW, Shelly's H was just going to the OW's house for a quick BJ and sex. I know she is just as angry at her H as she is at the OW b/c she knew he was M and had children. There was nothing in that R but time in the sack. I have never asked Shelly if her H told her why he had an A but either way, it was very hard on her. She has a lot of anger towards the OW just as I do for my H xOW. But, my H caught a lot more sh@t than the OW ever did. Even though she pursued him for years, he still didn't have to have an A w/ her. I just wish he would of came to me and told me he was having feelings for her. It would of been a lot easier to get the help we needed in our M, or just ended it w/o all the lying.

[Tomcat33]

F stands for former.

 

I'm putting my OW hat on to answer your reply. When I was an OW to a man in a CR he didn't take me out in public either. Well, I guess he did take me out in his car riding around and drinking a few beers. He even took me to a party where a bunch of mutual friends were. I don't think they all realized we were having a sexual R either. I wanted him to take me out in public. Out to eat, movies, whatever, but he never did. I was his little secret. I didn't care though, as long as I was w/ him. But now that I look back on it 20 years later I should have never put up w/ it. If he wanted to be w/ me, he should of dumped his live in GF and started a R w/ me. He didn't.

 

BW hat on now. If I were the xOW I would honestly be pissed that he wasn't willing to take me out in public. I would feel that he was ashamed of what we had. If he was going through a D why not take me out in public?

 

It's been four years since the A and I know H isn't lying but the reasoning behind not taking her out in public b/c he was ashamed of what he was doing. He didn't even take her to his BF house and introduce them. In fact his BF didn't even know he was involved w/ the OW.

 

 

Oh, and about the xOW being smart, she was far from that!

 

Well any woman who lets herself get wrapped up in the lies a MM tells to be with them is prob. not that smart...me included so point well taken on that one. And I always considerd myself to be an intelligent woman...but as you said never say never. I never thought this could happen to me but it did, blame it no the rain...but it did.

 

Yes the fact that he wanted to keep it a secret must/should have been a real red flag for her. I never wanted to be in that postion and lucky for me I was never expected to but he knew better than to try to pull that crap on me. If my guy had wanted to it would have tipped me off sooner to his intentions but it appeared he was willing to do it completely out in the open and his reasoning somewhat legit, again not how I would handle that situation, but then again I could not date another person knowing that I was still tied to someone else...and yet I was dating someone I knew was not totally available yet.

 

Mehhh it's all so subjective really, we can go around in circles comparing how you or I or them or anyone would handle situations but the reality is that sometimes we think we are a certain way and a wrench gets thrown in our paths and we surprise ourselves with how our characters can change from one moment to the next. But I guess even within the abnormality of a situation that is completely out of left field I think we still find a way to stay somewhat true to our beliefs, like there is a moment of clarity in all the fog. I know this will sound lame but perhaps for those guys it was a way of doing a little bit of right within doing a whole lot of wrong. A little bit of right on the women they were betraying that is....or maybe I am giving these men too much credit LOL

[Tomcat33]

Well, Shelly and I are friends off the board and she has told me a lot, if not all, about the xOW, and from what she says, she is a skank. I think what Shelly went through had to be so hard. She had/has a happy M, no signs of major problems and then he has an A. It was a huge slap in her face. My H at least filed for a D to be w/ his OW, Shelly's H was just going to the OW's house for a quick BJ and sex. I know she is just as angry at her H as she is at the OW b/c she knew he was M and had children. There was nothing in that R but time in the sack. I have never asked Shelly if her H told her why he had an A but either way, it was very hard on her. She has a lot of anger towards the OW just as I do for my H xOW. But, my H caught a lot more sh@t than the OW ever did. Even though she pursued him for years, he still didn't have to have an A w/ her. I just wish he would of came to me and told me he was having feelings for her. It would of been a lot easier to get the help we needed in our M, or just ended it w/o all the lying.

 

I see what you are saying and I can appreciate her anger, on the same token now that you tell me more of a bakground I can understand it better. It's just that reading the posts only it just looks a certain way, you know more the background so you can see past the comments on the posts, it's kind of hard to do when you don't know it such depth.

That sounds really horrible actually and again I don't know how you forgive someone for putting you through that but she knows best the whys and the hows.

 

I guess the main reason people don't turn to their spouses when they are being pursued and they are starting to develop an attraction is because they are already determined on some level to explore the situation to see where it takes them. That is the problem right there. OF course your H could have come to you instead of letting this thing outside of your union grow, that would have been the correct thing to do. The safe thing, the right thing. But this OW can be as persistant as all heck if he is not willing to explore he won't let it happen, he will come to you and level with you and work from there. It seldom happens in such and ideal fashion.

Once you allow yourself to become attracted to someone else all reason is out the window. I think the choice begins right there.

 

Ahhhh "F" for " former"got it!! thanks

[GregsBad]

Well, you might have a point on that cause if H had actually spent more time looking at the OW, he might NOT have cheated with her.

He forgot to tell me about that big mole on her cheek. Ugh!

 

Of course, when I saw her I knew he'd only cheated with her cause she was easy. My first impression of her was long frizzy hair, bucked teeth(wonder why?) and overalls. OVERALLS!

 

Talk about cornpone!

 

Ok then I admit that you are probably prettier than her!

[BurriedAlive]

To the BSs: you ladies seem to blame the OWs for your H's A. What you seem to forget is that it takes two to tango and your H is 50% responsible for the betrayal!!!!!!!! As an xOW, I do realize that I was 100% wrong but I will only accept 50% of the responsibility!

[Hugh_950]

To the BSs: you ladies seem to blame the OWs for your H's A. What you seem to forget is that it takes two to tango and your H is 50% responsible for the betrayal!!!!!!!! As an xOW, I do realize that I was 100% wrong but I will only accept 50% of the responsibility!

 

I agree with the spirit of what you said.

 

Although - I don't know agree with percentages which tend to derail a very important point. Namely that there is "likely" to be "some" accountability on the BS.

 

I see a tendancy here, from many, to resist any accountability at all.

And many will even flame anyone who suggests that the BS might have contibuted to the problem.

[jj2007]

I'm just wondering if MM is more likely to cheat if his wife has let herself go and I don't mean just getting older, but gaining large amounts of weight, not taking care of what she wears etc.

 

Please don't flame me, I'm genuinly curious since men are very visual if that is a factor in cheating.

 

IME as being a BS hubby cheated on me with a woman 20 yrs older than me and she looked like a dinosaur. He is a recovering alcoholic and she was someone he could go and get drunk with and it didn't really matter what she looked like at that point. In our home alcohol is not allowed. I don't think looks really matter when a man cheats because they cheat with a someone who meets a need they currently have and usually once that need is met then the OW gets kicked to the curb.

[jj2007]

what a load of crap... It's not all that black and white... and no... it's not always the cheater's fault.

 

I disagree with most of the list.... so much for today's B. Sh*it.

 

It is always the cheater's fault. If they are unhappy in their marriage/relationship they can leave. It's not like the OW/OM held a gun to their head and said "screw me or I will kill you"

 

In the case of rape it would not be their fault but I would not consider that cheating because both parties did not consent.

[GregsBad]

It is always the cheater's fault. If they are unhappy in their marriage/relationship they can leave. It's not like the OW/OM held a gun to their head and said "screw me or I will kill you"

 

In the case of rape it would not be their fault but I would not consider that cheating because both parties did not consent.

 

Saying that one should just leave the marriage instead of cheating is overly simplistic.

 

Although I agree that ending the marriage may be more noble and up-front than cheating ... it's still easy for you to say, very difficult to do in real life.

[shellys-trying]

Again - you're case is an exception to the rule.

But you're using your rare exception as a basis for what (you have deducted) the majority of cheaters are doing.

 

You're man did the hanky panky with one of the HEE-HAW chorus girls.

VERY UNIQUE - you must admit

 

Well, yeah, but I know quite a few people(which is unfortunate)who were cheated on or cheated on a spouse or SO.

I swear to ya, all the ones they cheated with were hound dogs. I sh*t you not. I guess that's where I got my statistics. LOL

[shellys-trying]

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Well ladies I'm afraid it's a no win situation, no matter how you look at the OW she will always be inferior to you in your eyes, the bottom line is she will always be a just "skank" to you. IF she is smart but not as attractive as you she was a "skank", if she was better looking and emotionally not that attractive she is a "skank". I really don't think it says a lot about your men if they picked these bottom of the barrel type women to risk it all with.

Furthermore, after seeing that they picked such low women to be promiscuous with you still accepted them back?

 

If my H picked the town whore to cheat on me it would change him in my eyes for ever he would no longer deserve to be with a woman like myself.

But that's just me.

 

I don't think it says alot about my H that he chose someone like that either. LOL But an easy piece is an easy piece. My H took the first skank that bit.

I call this xOW a skank because she was indeed a bottom feeder. She had 2 kids of her own she dumped on family or in laws when H was coming over to her "home". She deceitfullt had me called twice and then acted like she deserved to just take over my life. She thought she deserved my H's money, to have him pay her bills, etc. etc.

Umm, I doubt it. She was inbetween MMs and SGs.

I prefer to call her what she is SKANK. So, when I speak of her I call her that.

Yes, she was inferior to me, simply because she chose to skank with MMs, all the ones she had and probably has since my H.

I accepted my H back simply because I love him, even if he had cheated with a lowlife skank. One.

He's a good boy now, tho'.

 

I can't believe with your statement above (If my H picked the town whore to cheat on me it would change him in my eyes for ever he would no longer deserve to be with a woman like myself.) that you can even say that to me. You were with someone else's H, and didn't he go back to her whenever he left your side, or was he seperated? He was M when he was coming to you. There was no D, was there, before the A began?

[shellys-trying]

To the BSs: you ladies seem to blame the OWs for your H's A. What you seem to forget is that it takes two to tango and your H is 50% responsible for the betrayal!!!!!!!! As an xOW, I do realize that I was 100% wrong but I will only accept 50% of the responsibility!

 

Naw! I'm not calling anyone a skank (on here or anywhere else)but the one who cheated with my H.

[shellys-trying]

Mopar: I understand what you are saying, and it looks like you at least acknowledge what he saw in the OW at the time. I guess my comment was more directed at Shell because every time she posts she cannot refrain from using the word "skank" and really you can read it so many times until it starts to sound really bad. I understand she is angry for what her H did but I think it does her a disservice to keep refering to her in such derrogatory terms, afterall her H did spend his quality time away from her and with this OW and she still chose to accept him back. So the more she points out what a low life this woman was it sort of takes away from her worth. Sorry I don't mean any disrepect it's just an observation.

 

As per your comment re never say never, I know what you are saying but judging from my past and when I did experience being cheated on I can say that the cheating changed him in my eyes for ever, and I never looked back. Granted I was not married to him but had I been I think it would have been EVEN WORSE. So I am pretty certain that if that did happen to me I just could not accpet it. But again, that is just me, that's not to say it cannot work for others. I think being with the town skank would def seal the coffin for me.

 

Some people say "I would never cheat" or I would never get involved with someone involved, well I can say I would not take back someone who cheated on me...it's what we blieve is true given our character.

 

 

The only quality time he took from me and our kids really wasn't taken from us. The skank lived on the way to work, and so he would stop on his way thru, spend a few minutes then head on to work.

So, no he took no quality time from us. He knew what he was going for and did it, then zipped up and left.

I don't live the anger for this "whore" everyday, but when I do speak of her (this is the only place I do really) I call her what she is.

My character is not flawed because I took back a"cheater" ,simply because he doesn't cheat anymore.

If he continued to be one you can bet he'd be history. He's proven what he did was stupid. He's faithful and I'm glad I gave him another chance.

 

Ther is no X before the H.

[shellys-trying]

Ok then I admit that you are probably prettier than her!

 

If you knew this "woman" for lack of using Skank yet again (for you Tomcat), then you would understand. She was evil, deceitful and not at all nice. Gold digger. Her rotten core made her ugly, inside and out.

She was and still is an evil piece of work.

No substance. No personality. Nada. I can understand why men, M or S, only want her for 1 thing.