Trialbyfire Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Honestly LB, I really don't care what people do within the confines of their bedrooms, as long as it's consensual and it hurts no third parties. Once you get into hurting others, I will be glad to cast a barrelful of fist sized stones. I used to pitch and play third base as a kid so I would be a good one to pick for your team. Sorry, I can only pitch fastballs. Link to post Share on other sites
johan Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Bible also teach "bless those who obey the commandments, and tell others to do so" :) What do you have to say to that, Curmudgeon? I think she trumped you. And she also put two smilies on it, which shows she knows it. ha ha. "Vengeance is mine," sayeth the Lord. "Mockery is mine," sayeth the orange robot. Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted June 15, 2007 Author Share Posted June 15, 2007 Although you don't think I am a friend:(, but I think I do Peace Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 And obviously god condoned incest when it suited his/her desires. (I am sure Moai can provide you with quotes for this). No This is an un called for statement..... I find hateful rantings about groups of people to be very uncalled for. As for incest in the bible and God allowing it: (one example) "And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." Genesis 20:11-12 (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) Some neat things condoning rape too: If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Forced to marry her rapist) paid for like property nice! (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB) "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." Wow marry her by force- kidnap and then rape her a month later, and then you kick her to the curb later...... SEXUAL IMMORALITY IS OKAY! Link to post Share on other sites
lovelorcet Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 I find it interesting being preached to about sexual immorality by someone how has obviously no clue about sex. Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 I find it interesting being preached to about sexual immorality by someone how has obviously no clue about sex. I enjoy the fire and brimstone types that spew for hate for homosexuals but are enjoying homosexual acts themselves. Those poking underage prostitutes and then cry "forgive me". Oh the joy........ I got joy joy joy deep in my pants, deep in my pants......... Link to post Share on other sites
lovelorcet Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 I enjoy the fire and brimstone types that spew for hate for homosexuals but are enjoying homosexual acts themselves. Those poking underage prostitutes and then cry "forgive me". Oh the joy........ I got joy joy joy deep in my pants, deep in my pants......... Sadly I think this happens all too often. Link to post Share on other sites
Herzen Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 I find hateful rantings about groups of people to be very uncalled for. As for incest in the bible and God allowing it: (one example) "And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." Genesis 20:11-12 (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) Some neat things condoning rape too: If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Forced to marry her rapist) paid for like property nice! (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB) "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." Wow marry her by force- kidnap and then rape her a month later, and then you kick her to the curb later...... SEXUAL IMMORALITY IS OKAY! a4a, you are a bad person. With your monkey icon, I bet you believe in evolution, too. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Whoever call on Lord, she/he would be saved. Lord can forget and forgive all our sins as long as we heartily repent. History is filled with people who did the most horrible acts of rape, murder torcher in the name of Jesus and God. They were Christians and often religious leaders. How does any God give a free pass to those who commit the worse of human offences? Yet that same God will punish some poor guy because he happens to like Show tunes and is a great interior decorator and happens to like sex with men? Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 History is filled with people who did the most horrible acts of rape, murder torcher in the name of Jesus and God.And the guilty will be punished accordingly.They were Christians and often religious leaders.They were still men. Nowhere near perfect. Why is it that people tend to think Christians and Religious leaders are flawless?How does any God give a free pass to those who commit the worse of human offences?There's no such thing as a, "free pass". Only those with the correct heart attitude gains forgiveness.Yet that same God will punish some poor guy because he happens to like Show tunes and is a great interior decorator and happens to like sex with men?Where is it said that God is punishing them? God loves them just as much as He loves me or anyone else. It's the sin He hates..... Link to post Share on other sites
Herzen Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 Last night my son and I watched the great film,"Flight 93," which was about the fourth plane hijacked on 9/11. I saw the God loving, religiously inspired terrorists slit the throats of about 4 or 5 passengers. These hijackers believed in their God, adhered to their religion and were probably not sexually immoral. Yet they slaughtered innocents. I believe in no God; I belong to no religion. I will therefore kill no one for MY god. I will therefore condemn no one for MY god. And I won't take any crap from BELIEVERS who resent the fact that I don't share in their illusions: The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Yeats, "Second Coming". Link to post Share on other sites
Curmudgeon Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 What do you have to say to that, Curmudgeon? I think she trumped you. And she also put two smilies on it, which shows she knows it. ha ha. "Vengeance is mine," sayeth the Lord. "Mockery is mine," sayeth the orange robot. Back to the scriptural injunction to hate the sin but love the sinner. I wonder what she thinks of Mary Magdalene. Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 Back to the scriptural injunction to hate the sin but love the sinner. I wonder what she thinks of Mary Magdalene. I love her. non-gay way Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I love her. non-gay way Lol! You should get your own show. Link to post Share on other sites
Author lonelybird Posted June 18, 2007 Author Share Posted June 18, 2007 Prov 6:26 A man can hire a prostitute for the price of a loaf of bread, but adultery will cost him all he has. Prov 6:32 But a man who commits adultery doesn't have any sense. He is just destroying himself. Prov 22:14 Adultery is a trap-it catches those with whom the LORD is angry. Prov 30:20 This is how an unfaithful wife acts: she commits adultery, takes a bath, and says, "But I haven't done anything wrong!" Jer 23:14 But I have seen the prophets in Jerusalem do even worse: they commit adultery and tell lies; they help people to do wrong, so that no one stops doing what is evil. To me they are all as bad as the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. Jeremiah 29:22 ... they will say, 'May the LORD treat you like Zedekiah and Ahab, whom the king of Babylonia roasted alive!' 29:23 This will be their fate because they are guilty of terrible sins-they have committed adultery and have told lies in the LORD's name. This was against the LORD's will; he knows what they have done, and he is a witness against them. Mathew 5:28 But now I tell you: anyone who looks at a woman and wants to possess her is guilty of committing adultery with her in his heart. Mt 19:18 "What commandments?" he asked. Jesus answered, "Do not commit murder; do not commit adultery; do not steal; do not accuse anyone falsely; Heb 13:4 Marriage is to be honored by all, and husbands and wives must be faithful to each other. God will judge those who are immoral and those who commit adultery. 2 Pet 2:14 They want to look for nothing but the chance to commit adultery; their appetite for sin is never satisfied. They lead weak people into a trap. Their hearts are trained to be greedy. They are under God's curse! Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 If you need the bible to tell you that adultery is wrong, you've got bigger issues. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowofman Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I believe that not giving head is sexually immoral. Seriously, if my partner wouldn't let me go down, I'd have to quitely walk away. Also, not teaching children about sex is immoral. If you leave it up to them to figure out on their own, like we do, your asking for mass teen pregos, increased STD contraction, and in general, a generation of ignorant, immature boobs. Link to post Share on other sites
halfarock Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 Where is it said that God is punishing them? God loves them just as much as He loves me or anyone else. It's the sin He hates..... So it's the sin that he sends to hell? Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 So it's the sin that he sends to hell?In my opinion, God gave us free will to choose. I believe it's ultimately the sinner who decides whether or not he or she is seperated from God eternally. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 More and more scientific evidence points to Homosexuals being born that way and it is not a choice. Link to post Share on other sites
Herzen Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 More and more scientific evidence points to Homosexuals being born that way and it is not a choice. Topper, my friend, what exactly do evidence and science have to do with matters of faith and dogma? Remember Galileo? Even he recanted when faced with the rack. Link to post Share on other sites
kenfrance Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 There are various philosophical arguments in regards to any ethical or moral issue. First there are those who believe in the ontological argument which means that there are certain actions that are objectively wrong. These are actions which are universally recognized as wrong-- murder, incest, pedophilia, genocide etc. While these actions are a part of certain cultures they are usually justified in some capacity through the second philosophical argument known as the teleological argument (no it is not a misspelling of theological). The fact that those who practice such above mentioned actions need to justify their actions testifies that there is something inherently wrong with these actions-- otherwise why the justification. Now the teleological argument states that the purpose of any action is to produce a morally good resolution. In essence the teleological emphasizes the end while the ontological emphasis the beginning or the means. An example could be killing someone who is threatening a loved one. The ontological adherents believe that killing is wrong no matter what the context whereas the teleological folks see it in the context of the event. Now it is not always that simple and most of us are a combination of both. Now to the argument at hand. An ontological approach state that sexual actions are objectively right or wrong. The problem with this argument in this context is who determines what is right or wrong and in which cultural context. You see their is no objective in regards to consensual sexual relationship. Yet there is an ontological argument based on non consenting sexual acts-- rape, incest, pedophilia etc. These are seen as objectively wrong. But in regards to consenting sex most of us adopt a teleological view. Hey if the sexual act draws a couple closer together then what is wrong? Sorry to be so philosophical but you can argue for every on this or any other subject as long as each side stays entrenched on their ethical side. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 Topper, my friend, what exactly do evidence and science have to do with matters of faith and dogma? Remember Galileo? Even he recanted when faced with the rack. Ultimately it was science and Galileo won out. When the evidence was so one sided the dogma of the Chruch was forced to change. That is progress. It might take a 100 years or more for the christian Chruch to see that alienation of about 10% of the population is morally and scientifically wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
halfarock Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Ultimately it was science and Galileo won out. When the evidence was so one sided the dogma of the Chruch was forced to change. That is progress. It might take a 100 years or more for the christian Chruch to see that alienation of about 10% of the population is morally and scientifically wrong. It doesn’t matter. Christianity needs something to rail against, to save it’s believers from. Jesus can’t be your hero if you don’t have Jews, homosexuals, atheists, Muslims, scientists, and whoever else to fear and hate, to be saved from. Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 It doesn’t matter. Christianity needs something to rail against, to save it’s believers from. Jesus can’t be your hero if you don’t have Jews, homosexuals, atheists, Muslims, scientists, and whoever else to fear and hate, to be saved from. No, no... they got around that one. The trick is to tell people they are born evil and need saving form themselves! It's the perfect scam. Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts