Touche Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 <P><BR>Digging negative sides or darkness is NOT good thing. It's like a person has 50% good and 50% bad sides, many people choose to believe in the 50% bad sides, but in the end that's what you got. Hard to believe, right? BELIEVE go first, REALITY follow.</P> <P>Can you try to find a 100% perfect person? No way. Human being are NOT perfect. I guess Lizzie must be very beautiful, she tested every married man, yet on one proved they are trustworthy:p. maybe Lizzie picked wrong guys</P> <P></P> <P> </P> What the HEY? What the hell does all that mean? What does the bolded part mean? Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 What the HEY? What the hell does all that mean? What does the bolded part mean? It's like human nature has good sides and bad sides. when a person believe that bad sides, for example, all men cheat, that this person will attract this kind of men into her life. You attract what you believe Link to post Share on other sites
Touche Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 It's like human nature has good sides and bad sides. when a person believe that bad sides, for example, all men cheat, that this person will attract this kind of men into her life. You attract what you believe I understand, lonelybird. And you are so right. The day I decided that I derserved the best, guess what? I got it. So you're so right...you DO attract what you believe..just as you said. Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 I understand, lonelybird. And you are so right. The day I decided that I derserved the best, guess what? I got it. So you're so right...you DO attract what you believe..just as you said. In fact, God loves us equally, just that people don't believe it. So BELIEVE first, *reality* follow. This is kingdom mindset Link to post Share on other sites
Touche Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 In fact, God loves us equally, just that people don't believe it. So BELIEVE first, *reality* follow. This is kingdom mindset Guess what, lonelybird? I agree with you! It's too bad so many don't take your message to heart. Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 No trust, no love:confused: The opposite or complete trust doesn't guarantee love ... Look at what happen to Paul McCartney...I think if you have wealth to protect and have spent your whole life building it then by protecting it doesn't mean you don't trust the person.. it just means you need the protection because of the vast size of the wealth. There is such a thing as stupidity. I wouldn't ask a woman to sign one.. but in my state I am protected.. only marital assets are divided in a divorce and inheritances are also exempt.. Basically what you have before the marriage is yours after the marriage and the amount gained during the marriage is split.. That's fair...no need to divide someone's trust over a material possession Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 but in my state I am protected.. only marital assets are divided in a divorce and inheritances are also exempt.. Basically what you have before the marriage is yours after the marriage and the amount gained during the marriage is split.. Exactly my situation, and my point as well. When people complain about "being taken to the cleaners", are they griping about giving up that half of what was acquired, thinking they shouldn't have had to give it up, or are there states where a spouse can actually take "more than his or her share" of the marital estate, and/or parts of pre-existing assets as well, based on "fault" or whatever? In my state, if one of us had "got the house" in the divorce, the other would have had to buy the first one out, or given up other equivalent assets in the split... Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 The opposite or complete trust doesn't guarantee love ... Look at what happen to Paul McCartney...I think if you have wealth to protect and have spent your whole life building it then by protecting it doesn't mean you don't trust the person.. it just means you need the protection because of the vast size of the wealth. There is such a thing as stupidity. I wouldn't ask a woman to sign one.. but in my state I am protected.. only marital assets are divided in a divorce and inheritances are also exempt.. Basically what you have before the marriage is yours after the marriage and the amount gained during the marriage is split.. That's fair...no need to divide someone's trust over a material possession Trust is NOT blind, just as true love is NOT blind. You know this person, for example your son, has many problems and issues, you still love your son and accept him, and trust he will become better. You see, trust things will get better, just as believe and trust in God works all things good in the end for those who put trust in him. Material possession is not so important, a typhoon just can blow them away in several hours. Nobody knows what happen tomorrow, your asset could be left to another, and you cannot take them with you when you die, your soul don't want those things. Material thing maybe help but really cannot protect you. but a person put trust in God don't worry because he knows his destiny, he is secure in God both here in earth and heaven People put their focus wrong. God is in control of everything. Physical flesh is temporary, but soul is forever. you store up material things here, but in the end you cannot really enjoy them if you seperate from God. Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Material possession is not so important, People that don't have great wealth are generally the ones that feel this way. When a person has great wealth is is pretty much stupid to gamble millions of dollars with only a 44% success rate.. If a person has that kind of wealth they most likely gained it by making better decision than a 56% failure rate in their investments.. I'm just saying... There is such a thing as stupidity.. In certain states every asset becomes 50/50 at the time of marriage.. so if a person is worth 15 million then if they divorce after 2 years they lost 7.5 millions dollars and the person they gave it to didn't have to work 30 years to make it like they did. That would be a case of Stupidity.. you have to know your legal rights before going into a marriage.. if you trust blindly then the chances of you getting burned increase by 100 fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 In my state, if one of us had "got the house" in the divorce, the other would have had to buy the first one out, or given up other equivalent assets in the split... Oops, too late to edit - logically inconsistent. Should be: In my state, if my wife had "got the house" in the divorce, she would have had to buy out my half-share of the equity, or given up other equivalent assets in the split... Link to post Share on other sites
Touche Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 Oops, too late to edit - logically inconsistent. Should be: In my state, if my wife had "got the house" in the divorce, she would have had to buy out my half-share of the equity, or given up other equivalent assets in the split... So which did it end up being? Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 So which did it end up being? We sold two houses (one a rental property,) paid off all the mortgages and liabilities, and split the proceeds. Evenly. But we considered several scenarios (keep one house each; sell one house and keep the other and that person buys out the equity, etc...) and this one made the most sense. In any of the scenarios we considered, though, it was always an assumed condition that on the balance sheet, we would each end up with half the marital "net worth," plus we would individually keep whatever we had brought to the party before we were married. No fights, etc. It felt like a kind of a business transaction with a common goal in mind. Link to post Share on other sites
directx Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 My current situation, I know at least 2 women I would sign a prenup where it guarantees I wont ask for ANYTHING if they broke off the marriage, and they can have anything not involving any future income of mine Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 My current situation, I know at least 2 women I would sign a prenup where it guarantees I wont ask for ANYTHING if they broke off the marriage, and they can have anything not involving any future income of mine Care to elaborate? Are you talking about Jennifer Aniston and Meg Ryan, or something more earthly? You are all the way at the other extreme - you would explicitly sign away any existing protection the law allows, to be with one of these women? What would incline you to do that? Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 No trust, no love:confused: Could you please refrain from posting to me... thank you! Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 19, 2007 Share Posted June 19, 2007 People here post about trust and love but where is the trust and love when she decides she wants to find herself and demands a divorce or has an affair which she blames you for? Things happen and it is good to have a prenup just in case. I worked my ass for what I have and I will be damned if I give it up because a marriage didn't work out. I am especially big on keeping the house because it was a dump when I bought it and I fixed it up big time so my work went into it. Link to post Share on other sites
Mary3 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Any man that doesn't get a prenup is a moron and any woman that does not sign one is not worth marrying. Woggle : why dont you just lock up all your treasures and let that nice wife of yours go ?? Link to post Share on other sites
ash519 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 I am 25 and with the man i hope to marry and if we do i plan on it to be forever. But i do however have every intention on having a prenup. You never know what could happen, there is no guarantee. It is not as simple as "I trust him, we dont need one". You just should have one so that if things go badly (as slim as the chances may be) both people dont walk away screwed. I would want to split everything we had while married (house etc), keep what is mine (in my own private savings account), and give more to whoever had custody of the kids. I dont think it is rooting for a relationship to fail, just taking precautions that will hopefully not have to be used. I think it is nieve to not have one. Also, I wouldnt want my husband to stay with me in fear of losing everything and decide to have an affair because they felt stuck ya know. And vice versa. A prenup is agreed upon before hand so if you do decide to leave it will be fair and not as worrysome. AND in the prenup there should be some punishment for cheating, like 10% more that half, haha i dont know. Link to post Share on other sites
allina Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 Woggle : why dont you just lock up all your treasures and let that nice wife of yours go ?? Why do you say that? He loves his wife and wants to be with her. He never mentioned anything suggesting he was a bad husband. Link to post Share on other sites
CaterpillarGirl Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 How many of you would ask for one if you made significantly more than your spouse or had more assets? How many of you would be offended if your spoused asked you for one? I would never ask for one, but I would sign one if he asked. Honestly, in my family the only way out of a marriage is through the cemetery. Suprisingly, everyone still seems to be happily married. Link to post Share on other sites
directx Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Care to elaborate? Are you talking about Jennifer Aniston and Meg Ryan, or something more earthly? You are all the way at the other extreme - you would explicitly sign away any existing protection the law allows, to be with one of these women? What would incline you to do that? I like extremes. And besides, its only money. I can always make more. Link to post Share on other sites
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