Co worker threatens to shoot us...

[Sweet Chestnut]

Please do not talk to him directly yourself, especially telling him his meds might be off and the such, and that you fear he'll act on his threats!!!! Oh my goodness, please don't do something that stupid. You will be his number one target and add fuel to all his emotions, making him feel like a nutcase on meds gone wrong.

 

I would talk to your boss and suggest you feel it is not a safe environment to work in and have them do something about it, have them talk to this lunatic, not you!!! Don't take that advice at all.

 

i had given her that advice before already, and here i told her to do so because this guy is her friend, and they had good contact until soemthing hapen because of his medication, and he must be conscious of it oyu are all getting overboard. I he says i want ot bring a gun then soemone should reply to the guy " what the hell are you talking about?! do you hear what oyu are saying?" if they dont then its their own fault. the guy migth be overloaded and stressed and need a vacation, and if she was his friend she can ask him if his treatment isnt wrong, and to ask his doc about it. How do oyu htink she know so much about his medication? cause htey talk together about it!!

Try to read the thread from the begining.

I also said that or her or the leaders o the firum or head of HR should ask him to talk to his doc or phone his doc about it directly.

It is at her to evaluate if her contact with him are still good enough to bring that up, or to bring it up directly to the boss instead.

My post was not to be mistaken, and taking just a part of it is misleading.

She know the guy pretty well, and the situation too, and must be able to see the best way to proceede.

Stop talking about the guy like if he was a serial killer, its her friend, no matter what med did that to him, a doc can fix it easily.

Maybe he need a new doctor!

my dad died because his doc gave him uncompatible medications for heart failures for years.. My dads heart didnt failed anyhting before that, the doc gave him heart medication just like that, and more and more and 5 of them were totally uncompatible and with high risks of provocating heart attack if taken together. meaning there was 6 different dangerous combinatiosn my dad was given.. And yes, he died. Got 3 heart attacks in a row, and then got water in the lungs, and survived under terrible pains, and then was send back home and return to the hospital a week later in helicopter and died.

That was after the wrong medicin had been stopped, but that was too late already, it had completely destroyed his heart functions.

I recall all the doc and surgeons at the hospital being in chock when seeing the kind of medication my dad had been given without any cardiolog having seen him at all ever, and without any record at all of heart failure or problems. And talking about htose meds who couldnt be combined and were lethal when put togehter. A chance he didnt died earlier they said..

All that to say that mis medication exist, and the one beign wrong medicated cant do for it, another doc has to take another look at it and be on th elook out for possible side effects affecting humor swings and agression and to compensate with another.

If the meds he take put him on the edge constantly try to imagine how exausted he must be. If i give oyu a drug to make you sleep you cant be blamed for falling asleep, if one gave that guy meds that put his nerves to boil you cant blame him but oyu can help him by telling him to ask his doc about it and if he isnt in danger to be wrongly medicated.

Make a phone call to his doc if you happen to know whom it is. That will be the smoother course of action. That way he wont know a thing, and the problem will be solved. Or like i said before, get a person in charge to do it.

[Fun2BMe]

i had given her that advice before already, and here i told her to do so because this guy is her friend, and they had good contact until soemthing hapen because of his medication, and he must be conscious of it oyu are all getting overboard. I he says i want ot bring a gun then soemone should reply to the guy " what the hell are you talking about?! do you hear what oyu are saying?" if they dont then its their own fault. the guy migth be overloaded and stressed and need a vacation, and if she was his friend she can ask him if his treatment isnt wrong, and to ask his doc about it. How do oyu htink she know so much about his medication? cause htey talk together about it!!

Try to read the thread from the begining.

I also said that or her or the leaders o the firum or head of HR should ask him to talk to his doc or phone his doc about it directly.

It is at her to evaluate if her contact with him are still good enough to bring that up, or to bring it up directly to the boss instead.

My post was not to be mistaken, and taking just a part of it is misleading.

She know the guy pretty well, and the situation too, and must be able to see the best way to proceede.

Stop talking about the guy like if he was a serial killer, its her friend, no matter what med did that to him, a doc can fix it easily.

Maybe he need a new doctor!

my dad died because his doc gave him uncompatible medications for heart failures for years.. My dads heart didnt failed anyhting before that, the doc gave him heart medication just like that, and more and more and 5 of them were totally uncompatible and with high risks of provocating heart attack if taken together. meaning there was 6 different dangerous combinatiosn my dad was given.. And yes, he died. Got 3 heart attacks in a row, and then got water in the lungs, and survived under terrible pains, and then was send back home and return to the hospital a week later in helicopter and died.

That was after the wrong medicin had been stopped, but that was too late already, it had completely destroyed his heart functions.

I recall all the doc and surgeons at the hospital being in chock when seeing the kind of medication my dad had been given without any cardiolog having seen him at all ever, and without any record at all of heart failure or problems. And talking about htose meds who couldnt be combined and were lethal when put togehter. A chance he didnt died earlier they said..

All that to say that mis medication exist, and the one beign wrong medicated cant do for it, another doc has to take another look at it and be on th elook out for possible side effects affecting humor swings and agression and to compensate with another.

If the meds he take put him on the edge constantly try to imagine how exausted he must be. If i give oyu a drug to make you sleep you cant be blamed for falling asleep, if one gave that guy meds that put his nerves to boil you cant blame him but oyu can help him by telling him to ask his doc about it and if he isnt in danger to be wrongly medicated.

Make a phone call to his doc if you happen to know whom it is. That will be the smoother course of action. That way he wont know a thing, and the problem will be solved. Or like i said before, get a person in charge to do it.

 

 

I already did read from the beginning. I don't just randomly post, and I still think you gave her very bad advice. That's my opinion.

[Mary3]

Since I have returned from vacation he has been in a pretty good mood. He does however whine about every task he needs to perform and is still insubordinate to the supervisor.

 

I decided to find out his medications. ( ....In casual conversation since he brought up his back pain tonite ) Tonite he told me he takes Flexoril ( muscle relaxant ) for his back. He takes Lortab ( pain killer ~ hydrocodone ) for his back pain. He said he takes 3 meds for his back. He does not know the name of the other medication.... I thought if I mentioned his steriod based drugs he might get highly suspicious.

 

So my next goal is to try to ask him if any of these meds are causing him outbursts. ( I know he won't know if they do but if I suggest they make him angry maybe he will be receptive and go to a doctor ) But by doing so then he would likely be tipped off it were me that was concerned and that stays in the future in his mind . ...

 

As far as immediate supervisors : He talks back and they are pretty spineless ( although nice bosses ) and he whines his way out of alot of work or bitterly complains about it. We got to the level ( without him being in the room ) about how ticked off he gets to the Manager. Someone said he might get angry and do something but the manager kinda shrugged it off. SO I KNOW we can't depend on them anymore. I think if I walked into that office and told them , they would likely not know what to do. I think HR is the best course of action here. Since he's been calm I am trying to really observe what ticks him off. Today he said " You are walking in my space " Meaning I crossed his path to get to my station. I looked at him to see if he was kidding but he does that alot about his * space * and if you walk in front of his area . He will stop and have an exagerated look of exasperation on his face. Thats the main look he keeps when things tick him off.

 

My next real goal is to try and talk to him . I will not mention his threats. If I try to talk to him and it pisses him off about the meds then I have no choice but to take it higher.

 

He was a friend. You understand I don't want to see him get hurt or US ! . I figure I will ease that into the convo and see his reaction.

 

That is a serious issue and if its meds then he can go to the doc and tell them he is agressive. If he fails to seek medical help then it will have to be done for him , the hard way.

[Trialbyfire]

Mary, please be very, very careful. Friend or otherwise, this is an enclosed environment, fraught full of work-related stresses. One guy hopped up on drugs on top of volatile personal issues, can be someone ready to explode at the most unexpected moment.

 

I advise that you try to keep your distance.

[Mary3]

Mary, please be very, very careful. Friend or otherwise, this is an enclosed environment, fraught full of work-related stresses. One guy hopped up on drugs on top of volatile personal issues, can be someone ready to explode at the most unexpected moment.

 

I advise that you try to keep your distance.

 

Thank you TBF I also figure when this gets to HR they are going to ask me alot of questions and I would like to have a lil info on his meds and such. ...But I don't sit with him and try not to talk to him much. He always initiates conversation.

[whichwayisup]

Since I have returned from vacation he has been in a pretty good mood. He does however whine about every task he needs to perform and is still insubordinate to the supervisor.

 

I decided to find out his medications. ( ....In casual conversation since he brought up his back pain tonite ) Tonite he told me he takes Flexoril ( muscle relaxant ) for his back. He takes Lortab ( pain killer ~ hydrocodone ) for his back pain. He said he takes 3 meds for his back. He does not know the name of the other medication.... I thought if I mentioned his steriod based drugs he might get highly suspicious.

 

So my next goal is to try to ask him if any of these meds are causing him outbursts. ( I know he won't know if they do but if I suggest they make him angry maybe he will be receptive and go to a doctor ) But by doing so then he would likely be tipped off it were me that was concerned and that stays in the future in his mind . ...

 

As far as immediate supervisors : He talks back and they are pretty spineless ( although nice bosses ) and he whines his way out of alot of work or bitterly complains about it. We got to the level ( without him being in the room ) about how ticked off he gets to the Manager. Someone said he might get angry and do something but the manager kinda shrugged it off. SO I KNOW we can't depend on them anymore. I think if I walked into that office and told them , they would likely not know what to do. I think HR is the best course of action here. Since he's been calm I am trying to really observe what ticks him off. Today he said " You are walking in my space " Meaning I crossed his path to get to my station. I looked at him to see if he was kidding but he does that alot about his * space * and if you walk in front of his area . He will stop and have an exagerated look of exasperation on his face. Thats the main look he keeps when things tick him off.

 

My next real goal is to try and talk to him . I will not mention his threats. If I try to talk to him and it pisses him off about the meds then I have no choice but to take it higher.

 

He was a friend. You understand I don't want to see him get hurt or US ! . I figure I will ease that into the convo and see his reaction.

 

That is a serious issue and if its meds then he can go to the doc and tell them he is agressive. If he fails to seek medical help then it will have to be done for him , the hard way.

 

I would skip this and just directly go to HR and pour out ALL your concerns. I know this isn't your intention in a cruel way and you're doing this for protection, and to understand this guy - BUT - HE isn't going to see it that way at all. Infact, you're undermining him, befriending him, showing interest in his medical history under false pretenses....HE may think 'friendship' though you are thinking otherwise. It isn't up to you to be the saviour, that is what bosses and HR are for. IF the bosses and HR refuse to look into this, you can go outside and complain the labour board. Seriously, this isn't worth it, you could be putting yourself in danger.

[Fun2BMe]

I was just checking to make sure Mary3 is sitll around;)

[Mary3]

Yes I am still around.

 

I mentioned this in the presence of one of our supervisors along with a co~worker and he kind of shrugged it off.

 

I waited until another altercation took place. I told the next supervisor and he basically said I was on my own as the other employees will not come forward. He said " You know I didn't see him acting out this way...~minimizing the behavior. ( As if it did not exist ) " I understandably got upset and said " Well this is on my OWN them apparently because you are saying : "Well...I didnt see it happen...Of course not ! You were not there. He even questions all occurances and suggests " Well everyone has a bad day "Now that leaves me as a direct target. I thought we could take the soft approach and kindly take him aside and ask him if he is having problems at home and seek counseling. I think to protect myself I do need to go to HR. I tried everything and I just want this person to get help. He did it again the other nite losing control at something that was benign and could have been handled differently. I am looking for the employee that he dealt with and want to ask him if he thought this man was being rude to him. I think I am going to get screwed here if I dont just bravely go forward and take this to HR. MY supervisors have once again ducked their heads in the sand....So off I go to HR and express my concerns....

A friend told me that he should be taken in the office and offered suspension until he gets his ducks in order.

We should NOT have to deal with this person who is incorigable and we are left on our own to deal with this. No more me thinks...

[amerikajin]

Honestly, I would just let it go at this point and find another job. Your company just has piss poor management and there's nothing you can do about it. The way they've handled this is telling of how they'd handle other workplace issues. Just deal with him and find somewhere else to work.