Freedom Now Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 I KNOW!!!! ISN'T THAT A HOOT!!!!! We gotta have a drink with this gal! Tied to the hip that we are hunny! I knew it was a matter of time before you got in on the action! SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH Kisses to you ladies.... I haven't read all through this thread yet...(God, RC, you can really get people going, can't you? ) I haven't been visiting this site in awhile and it's great to see the old gang here again. And, screw it. I don't care if my old MM reads LS or not....because I am so far past him and his life.... And in spite of the fact that he still contacts me, I am still Walking Away. Link to post Share on other sites
Author RealityCheck Posted August 11, 2007 Author Share Posted August 11, 2007 Kisses to you ladies.... I haven't read all through this thread yet...(God, RC, you can really get people going, can't you? ) I haven't been visiting this site in awhile and it's great to see the old gang here again. And, screw it. I don't care if my old MM reads LS or not....because I am so far past him and his life.... And in spite of the fact that he still contacts me, I am still Walking Away. Right back at ya girl! Jeepers! have you been on one of those space missions or something....lol I haven't talked to you in forever! How you doin? Link to post Share on other sites
Freedom Now Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Doing fabulous darling! Life is wonderful for me and I am excited about the future! WA/FN Link to post Share on other sites
Author RealityCheck Posted August 11, 2007 Author Share Posted August 11, 2007 Doing fabulous darling! Life is wonderful for me and I am excited about the future! WA/FN Well then....get your a$$ back on MSN and let's catch up on a million things!:bunny::bunny::bunny::bunny::bunny::bunny: Link to post Share on other sites
Freedom Now Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Look for me this afternoon, sweetheart. Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Aurora Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 oh and for the record on my own comment... I personallly don't believe unconditional love can exist in the realm of romantic love. I think it can only happen in a familial type love and I would even go as far as saying almost strictly between a parent and child and vice versa, oh and with pets. I haven't caught up with this whole thread, but had to pop in and respond to Tomcat's comment. Unconditional love can exist outside of familial love. I fell in unconditional love with my ex-fiance. It was something he had a hard time dealing with actually, I think it helped scare him away because he couldn't accept that I could truly love him that way. But, I do. And, yes, it made the break-up all the much more painful, but it also helped me deal with it in the end. I still love him (part of that "unconditional" includes when they don't love you anymore) but I have moved on. However, I just wanted to say that it CAN happen. Aura Link to post Share on other sites
Author RealityCheck Posted August 11, 2007 Author Share Posted August 11, 2007 I haven't caught up with this whole thread, but had to pop in and respond to Tomcat's comment. Unconditional love can exist outside of familial love. I fell in unconditional love with my ex-fiance. It was something he had a hard time dealing with actually, I think it helped scare him away because he couldn't accept that I could truly love him that way. But, I do. And, yes, it made the break-up all the much more painful, but it also helped me deal with it in the end. I still love him (part of that "unconditional" includes when they don't love you anymore) but I have moved on. However, I just wanted to say that it CAN happen. Aura For me, and certainly I cannot speak for others but to create a scenerio.... Never wish upon this... Should my kids be put in a position of life and death with my significant other, there would be no question who I would lay my life down for! That would be my kids without thought! It would be an action, not reaction. Unconditional to the core. Link to post Share on other sites
lovernotafighter Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I tried like mad to glean as much from this thread as possible. I can say first off that I am in complete awe of the personalities I recognise and one's that I do not. it seems to me that this thread has brought out members old and new and I must commend you RC you have a remarkable ablity to bring that about and the passion I see with so many posts well I am about speechless truthfully. I unfortunately had to jump around in this thread so it would be read a page skip 3, read a page skip 3 more etc.. the on going theme I am just going to briefly remark on is that I seen some statements on the bible and mostly of judgments and what this person believes and that person and why they believe what they do, and weather it stems from the bible or the pain affairs can create or what ever the the initiating judgement occurrence begins and who has the right for any of these things seems to be heart of debate. I can be wrong of coarse but from that assessment I can only say A thing is only right or wrong because you say it is. A thing is not right or wrong intrinsically. no one can envy success or pity failure, because no one can know what is success or failure in the soul’s reckoning. my truth is not your truth and hers may not be his but there is no wisdom in tending another's garden, maintain your truth but except others truth as their own and enjoy what it is you want to perceive as reality because life is only what you think it is and your thoughts of life become your reality. every moment of your right now existence is the result of your thoughts prior to it. remove the ego from your story and observe your life with detachment I believe instead of judgments that make negativity control your thoughts you will merely be a noticer of life. I don't believe anyone who claims to know god can make a judgment based from ego for then that is serving self and not god and those things can not be looked upon as the way of god because there is no unconditional love for mankind and the choices they have made which god has given them the freedom to do so. it removes faith from god and puts it into the hands of self. btw anyone has made it through my wordy post I will just say one more thing, don't give your self to judgment and and resentment because you are handing your controls over to the very thing which you do not want to be, Ive heard it said when water is stirred you only see a blurred reflection of your self. many times we give the very things which we don't want life with our thoughts of them and they then change us and what we reflect. Fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill. Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt. Chase after money and security and your heart will never unclench. Care about people's approval and you will be their prisoner. Link to post Share on other sites
NoIDidn't Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Is going 20 mph above the posted speed limit right or wrong? Or is it a my truth vs. your truth kind of thing? Would the police officer that pulls you over be wrong for ticketing you for going over the speed limit just because your truth is different from his? Would you be justified in ignoring his truth (the law) based on your own truth? I too don't believe in simply defining things using solely religious beliefs as the guideline. But the my truth vs. another's truth only makes the issue about as clear as mud. And only makes everyone else wrong based on what I refer to as "situational ethics". Link to post Share on other sites
OpenBook Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Is going 20 mph above the posted speed limit right or wrong? Or is it a my truth vs. your truth kind of thing? Would the police officer that pulls you over be wrong for ticketing you for going over the speed limit just because your truth is different from his? Would you be justified in ignoring his truth (the law) based on your own truth? If I was speeding because I was rushing my child to the hospital, I wouldn't CARE if I was justified in ignoring the speed limit. It wouldn't matter. But the my truth vs. another's truth only makes the issue about as clear as mud. And only makes everyone else wrong based on what I refer to as "situational ethics". It is our PERCEPTIONS of the truth that are clear as mud in situational ethics. That is why I always try to refrain from judging or condemning anyone. It's not my call. Only God can see the complete picture of what really happened. Link to post Share on other sites
NoIDidn't Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 If I was speeding because I was rushing my child to the hospital, I wouldn't CARE if I was justified in ignoring the speed limit. It wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter to you, but it would matter if someone got hurt because of your hurry. I understand the argument that you are trying to make, but it isn't a very good one in support of ignoring someone else's truth. I mean, if someone was killed because of your actions, do you think that their family is going to care if you were rushing your child to the hospital? Is your child's life worth more than their family members in the grand scheme of things? Or is it only because your child matters to you? Regardless of your reasons for speeding, the law still stands true whether you agree with it or not. I don't think that there is a special clause in there for rushing relatives to the hospital. It could be argued that you'd be better off calling an ambulance. It is our PERCEPTIONS of the truth that are clear as mud in situational ethics. That is why I always try to refrain from judging or condemning anyone. It's not my call. Only God can see the complete picture of what really happened. Situational ethics is no ethics at all, if you ask me. Stating that your truth is better than someone else's because you choose to refrain from judging directly is judging indirectly whether you believe it to be or not. Believe me, God isn't the only judge. He's the FINAL judge. Honestly, if a child has mistreated your child time and time again and it continues to escalate, would you pass judgment on that child's actions by not allowing the two to interact together anymore or would you keep subjecting your child to this repeatedly because you are afraid to make that judgment call? We pass judgment on people and things everyday all day. Its even a judgment to claim that you are not judging while indirectly accusing another of being judgmental. Link to post Share on other sites
Author RealityCheck Posted August 14, 2007 Author Share Posted August 14, 2007 Honestly' date=' if a child has mistreated your child time and time again and it continues to escalate, would you pass judgment on that child's actions by not allowing the two to interact together anymore or would you keep subjecting your child to this repeatedly because you are afraid to make that judgment call?quote'] I just went through an incident where a child did inappropriate behavior to my little one who is much younger while in the care of my Ex. I definately reported it to the authorities! Did I judge and blame the child who did this to my own, of course not! Did I judge the parents of that little boy? Of course not! Somewhere along the way that child had learned that behavior. My role was to protect my own from the other child EVER being in contact with him and to prevent it from happening to other children. A parents worst nightmare, but in all my fiery for the love of my child, I still did not pass judgement on the child or the parents. Link to post Share on other sites
movinon05 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 It wouldn't matter to you, but it would matter if someone got hurt because of your hurry. I understand the argument that you are trying to make, but it isn't a very good one in support of ignoring someone else's truth. I mean, if someone was killed because of your actions, do you think that their family is going to care if you were rushing your child to the hospital? You're kidding right? Is your child's life worth more than their family members in the grand scheme of things? Or is it only because your child matters to you? You're kidding right? Regardless of your reasons for speeding, the law still stands true whether you agree with it or not. I don't think that there is a special clause in there for rushing relatives to the hospital. You're kidding right? It could be argued that you'd be better off calling an ambulance. Situational ethics is no ethics at all, if you ask me. You're kidding right? Stating that your truth is better than someone else's because you choose to refrain from judging directly is judging indirectly whether you believe it to be or not. Believe me, God isn't the only judge. He's the FINAL judge. Honestly, if a child has mistreated your child time and time again and it continues to escalate, would you pass judgment on that child's actions by not allowing the two to interact together anymore or would you keep subjecting your child to this repeatedly because you are afraid to make that judgment call? We pass judgment on people and things everyday all day. Its even a judgment to claim that you are not judging while indirectly accusing another of being judgmental. Sorry, I can't quote everything directly, but Johnny, you just backed the wrong horse! Link to post Share on other sites
GreenEyedLady Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 What is all the religion talk here lately? I find it so interesting that of all places, it winds up here...and so many talk as if they know exactly what a higher power will do...I'm sorry but unless you're that higher power, you don't know what the outcome will be...and spare me the Bible verses... All I can say is that I'm glad that the FINAL JUDGE isn't the one who sits on this forum and posts...I think we fare far better with the one who gave his life in sacrifice and love... Link to post Share on other sites
movinon05 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 What is all the religion talk here lately? I find it so interesting that of all places, it winds up here...and so many talk as if they know exactly what a higher power will do...I'm sorry but unless you're that higher power, you don't know what the outcome will be...and spare me the Bible verses... All I can say is that I'm glad that the FINAL JUDGE isn't the one who sits on this forum and posts...I think we fare far better with the one who gave his life in sacrifice and love... AMEN!!!!! I say.... AMEN GEL!!!!!!!!!! (Maybe its just the Kenny Loggins concert I was just at with that awesome gospel choir behind him) AMEN I SAY!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Author RealityCheck Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 What is all the religion talk here lately? I find it so interesting that of all places, it winds up here...and so many talk as if they know exactly what a higher power will do...I'm sorry but unless you're that higher power, you don't know what the outcome will be...and spare me the Bible verses... All I can say is that I'm glad that the FINAL JUDGE isn't the one who sits on this forum and posts...I think we fare far better with the one who gave his life in sacrifice and love... OMG! NO KIDDING GEL!!! We all would be given a dust and broom sweeping up everyone's ashes!.....lol Link to post Share on other sites
bish Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Every OW I have met had their own reasons for becoming an OW. One thing that is certain is that these woman are amazing people There are alot of BW's that will beg to differ. Unless a OW has a history of psychological defects, most OW’s do not have intentions of destroying lives! And do you think a murderer should get off with no jail time if he/she said, "I didn't intend to kill"?? And of course they don't "intend" to do anything. As long as their selfish needs are met, they could care less whose lives/families are destroyed. Yes..the MM/MW is the most to blame, but that doesn't mitigate their responsibility in the matter Link to post Share on other sites
herenow Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 There are alot of BW's that will beg to differ. Actually Bish, I do find every OW amazing in her own way. Probably not in the way the word "amazing" is being used in the OP, but none the less, they are indeed all amazing women. Link to post Share on other sites
Author RealityCheck Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 There are alot of BW's that will beg to differ. And do you think a murderer should get off with no jail time if he/she said, "I didn't intend to kill"?? And of course they don't "intend" to do anything. As long as their selfish needs are met, they could care less whose lives/families are destroyed. Yes..the MM/MW is the most to blame, but that doesn't mitigate their responsibility in the matter Well firstly, I'm not looking for anyone to beg me to change my opinion. Secondly, the whole idea of murder vs A is ridiculous! Thirdly, this thread is full of amazing posts so perhaps you really, really, should read through the Thread and you just may discover some very articulate amazing woman. Link to post Share on other sites
GreenEyedLady Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Secondly, the whole idea of murder vs A is ridiculous! I know, talk about comparing apples and oranges... Link to post Share on other sites
movinon05 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 There are alot of BW's that will beg to differ. Oh Bish, did that really need saying? Again? And do you think a murderer should get off with no jail time if he/she said, "I didn't intend to kill"?? And of course they don't "intend" to do anything. As long as their selfish needs are met, they could care less whose lives/families are destroyed. Yes..the MM/MW is the most to blame, but that doesn't mitigate their responsibility in the matter Bish, I noticed your own thread in the infidelity section. And I must point out, that in your past posts before you split w/W (and I truly am sorry it came to that), but........ in the past (when you were SC)..... you said you would never be looking for any female companionship, at least for a very long time. You also said, you were going to tell your kids exactly why you split with your W. Yet, from what I have read, you didn't involve your children in that way. (Which I personally am very glad to hear). You have even now accepted, to some extent, that there is another person in your W's life. And, it appears, you are open to the fact that you might really be looking to enjoy the company of another female (Obviously not the married one you encountered). In any case, all of this is to say. PLEASE. NEVER say NEVER. And I say that because, despite all your previous convictions, I do believe that someday... someday Bish... you are going to find that there are some OW who walk this earth who do have some redeeming traits. Link to post Share on other sites
Hurt & Alone Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Ok, I have stayed away from replying to this thread but I have kept up on it. GEL I could not agree with you more regarding the religious aspect. OM to compare A's to murders is incomprehensable. Alot of people hurt yes but not dead. Link to post Share on other sites
movinon05 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Actually Bish, I do find every OW amazing in her own way. Probably not in the way the word "amazing" is being used in the OP, but none the less, they are indeed all amazing women. Now why do I take that as being catty and sarcastic? Perhaps because "amazing" is in quotes! Link to post Share on other sites
herenow Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Now why do I take that as being catty and sarcastic? Perhaps because "amazing" is in quotes! Cattiness and sarcasm aside. I do have to say that there have been a few OW that I have spoken with on this forum and via PM that are amazing. I disagree (obviously) with OW who do not take responsibility for their actions. Yes, I do find it "amazing" when some OW don't take into account how their actions will affect others. JMO. Link to post Share on other sites
GreenEyedLady Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Cattiness and sarcasm aside. I do have to say that there have been a few OW that I have spoken with on this forum and via PM that are amazing. I disagree (obviously) with OW who do not take responsibility for their actions. Yes, I do find it "amazing" when some OW don't take into account how their actions will affect others. JMO. I don't think that there are many that do not take into account how their actions affect others... It's just that they continue that course of action anyway... Link to post Share on other sites
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