the other woman manifesto

[Herzen]

The employer is lucky the OW didn't sue it for sex discrimination under Title VII. Although similarly situated (heck, both were married) with the MM, she was fired, and he was not. That's illegal disparate treatment based on sex.

 

I wonder how the employer dodged that bullet?

 

Nice severance in exchange for a Release, is my guess.

[KenzieAbsolutely]

I especially beg to differ on this point. Some of us think we are so special that we could make a man change the entire course of his life for us. Let me tell you that was a rude awakening and half for me!

Men have done crazy things for me but that was a bit much...

 

and the one he lives his "legit life for" is his BW, still think I got the better end of the deal in the end...

 

jesus, LB isn't saying that you all are these things, she is saying that is how you are perceived by a married man when he approaches you with expectations of an affair. if he did not think you had the qualities to engage in one or rather, a "successful" one, he would not have bothered. just like a single guy who is out looking for sex isn't going to shop for the uptight librarian type...he knows what he's looking for and sees if you've got it. a MM sees it in you that will do these things. if you wouldn't, he would find someone who would.

[Cobra_X30]

Oh yes... she got 'let go' and he got a 'stern lecture'...

 

I wonder how it would have felt if it had been the other way round..?

 

(sorry, not meaning to be personal but this kind of thing bugs me, and most naive OW don't know how it will be if the chit hits the fan in the workplace)

 

I would think they were probably looking to get rid of her anyway. I've got one right now I'd love to toss out of the company, but its going to take some time to build up a good case. I would definitly take advantage of a situation like this to drop a bad employee!

[RealityCheck]

I would think they were probably looking to get rid of her anyway. I've got one right now I'd love to toss out of the company, but its going to take some time to build up a good case. I would definitly take advantage of a situation like this to drop a bad employee!

 

Yes, this very well could be true and that the Employer used other reasons other than the A.

 

Herzen is correct, letting someone go just for Affair sake is discrimination.

 

Makes sense.

[Tomcat33]

jesus, LB isn't saying that you all are these things, she is saying that is how you are perceived by a married man when he approaches you with expectations of an affair. if he did not think you had the qualities to engage in one or rather, a "successful" one, he would not have bothered. just like a single guy who is out looking for sex isn't going to shop for the uptight librarian type...he knows what he's looking for and sees if you've got it. a MM sees it in you that will do these things. if you wouldn't, he would find someone who would.

 

 

LB for starters is a WOMAN, secondly was a serial cheater/cake eater according to her own admission. I see absolute no simialrity to my ex MAN and the fact that he had ONE pseudo A it wasn't even a full on A.

Please, if you want to tell me what a MM thinks who engages in an A with a woman once in his lifetime, let me hear it from another man who was in a similar situation, I don't want to hear it from a woman's mouth who was nothing like my exMM. Sorry but I just can't equate the two.

 

My MM was not looking for me, it happened, accroding to him he had plenty of opportunities in the past and for whatever reason it never happened. he fell in love with me and in a VERY hard way and I did with him. Don't tell me he seeked me out because of my degenerate fiber or anything if that sort. I am neither a degenerate, NOR an easy target, NOR do I have the "qualities" of an OW whatever those may be according to your own agenda. I am me, a woman who has never settled for less than what she is worth and it was no different here. The fact he could not keep up with my demands is a reality check for him and for what HE was choosing to do, not me!

 

Another thing that totally irritates me is when I see people say "go out and look for a single guy who deserves your love and you deserve a man who can offer you everything." Assuming the OW's life on here was comprised of a string of MM flings because she deems herself as less worthy. What a condescending remark it is to tell an EX OW to go find a single man. As if I need any stranger here remdinng me of what I am worth. I am WELL aware of what I am worth thank you very much, and you telling me I am great or not worthwhile are 2=the same. MOST OW have striclty dated single men, and will continue to do so dispite having derailed off the path at one point in their lives so spare us the OBVIOUS remarks. You are not discorvering ROME by telling us to go out and find a single guy.

 

We DON"T need reminders to seek out men that are single, it's what we have done ALL our lives thank you very much we are not lost puppies who need redirection. So we cetainly do not need your "helpful nudge" to remind us that there are single guys out there. How condescending a remark can that be?

 

All I keep seeing is a bunch of preconceived ideas based on stereotypical thoughts that are painted across the board with a very wide brush. And quite frankly I am sick and tired of it.

 

I am a WOMAN first and foremost, a woman with an incredible collection of experiences, ideas, memories, and life's truths and my life in no way or form is defined by the one A I was involved in, why the rest of you commoners wish to peg me or us as a one dimensional cartoon labeled the OW, is something you need to analyse on your own. You need to look at what prompts you to characterize another human being based on one experience without even knowing a thing about them an on an off the cuff experience that was shared on here.

 

I think that says a lot more about you than it does us.

[luvmy2ns]

LB for starters is a WOMAN, secondly was a serial cheater/cake eater according to her own admission. I see absolute no simialrity to my ex MAN and the fact that he had ONE pseudo A it wasn't even a full on A.

Please, if you want to tell me what a MM thinks who engages in an A with a woman once in his lifetime, let me hear it from another man who was in a similar situation, I don't want to hear it from a woman's mouth who was nothing like my exMM. Sorry but I just can't equate the two.

 

My MM was not looking for me, it happened, accroding to him he had plenty of opportunities in the past and for whatever reason it never happened. he fell in love with me and in a VERY hard way and I did with him. Don't tell me he seeked me out because of my degenerate fiber or anything if that sort. I am neither a degenerate, NOR an easy target, NOR do I have the "qualities" of an OW whatever those may be according to your own agenda. I am me, a woman who has never settled for less than what she is worth and it was no different here. The fact he could not keep up with my demands is a reality check for him and for what HE was choosing to do, not me!

 

Another thing that totally irritates me is when I see people say "go out and look for a single guy who deserves your love and you deserve a man who can offer you everything." Assuming the OW's life on here was comprised of a string of MM flings because she deems herself as less worthy. What a condescending remark it is to tell an EX OW to go find a single man. As if I need any stranger here remdinng me of what I am worth. I am WELL aware of what I am worth thank you very much, and you telling me I am great or not worthwhile are 2=the same. MOST OW have striclty dated single men, and will continue to do so dispite having derailed off the path at one point in their lives so spare us the OBVIOUS remarks. You are not discorvering ROME by telling us to go out and find a single guy.

 

We DON"T need reminders to seek out men that are single, it's what we have done ALL our lives thank you very much we are not lost puppies who need redirection. So we cetainly do not need your "helpful nudge" to remind us that there are single guys out there. How condescending a remark can that be?

 

All I keep seeing is a bunch of preconceived ideas based on stereotypical thoughts that are painted across the board with a very wide brush. And quite frankly I am sick and tired of it.

 

I am a WOMAN first and foremost, a woman with an incredible collection of experiences, ideas, memories, and life's truths and my life in no way or form is defined by the one A I was involved in, why the rest of you commoners wish to peg me or us as a one dimensional cartoon labeled the OW, is something you need to analyse on your own. You need to look at what prompts you to characterize another human being based on one experience without even knowing a thing about them an on an off the cuff experience that was shared on here.

 

I think that says a lot more about you than it does us.

 

You know for a fact that you were his only affair because.... he told you so. The cheating married guy. The honest, cheating married guy.

[RealityCheck]

I am a WOMAN first and foremost, a woman with an incredible collection of experiences, ideas, memories, and life's truths and my life in no way or form is defined by the one A I was involved in, why the rest of you commoners wish to peg me or us as a one dimensional cartoon labeled the OW, is something you need to analyse on your own. You need to look at what prompts you to characterize another human being based on one experience without even knowing a thing about them an on an off the cuff experience that was shared on here.

 

Excellent my friend! Spoke from a true balanced individual!

[KenzieAbsolutely]

LB for starters is a WOMAN, secondly was a serial cheater/cake eater according to her own admission. I see absolute no simialrity to my ex MAN and the fact that he had ONE pseudo A it wasn't even a full on A.

Please, if you want to tell me what a MM thinks who engages in an A with a woman once in his lifetime, let me hear it from another man who was in a similar situation, I don't want to hear it from a woman's mouth who was nothing like my exMM. Sorry but I just can't equate the two.

 

My MM was not looking for me, it happened, accroding to him he had plenty of opportunities in the past and for whatever reason it never happened. he fell in love with me and in a VERY hard way and I did with him. Don't tell me he seeked me out because of my degenerate fiber or anything if that sort. I am neither a degenerate, NOR an easy target, NOR do I have the "qualities" of an OW whatever those may be according to your own agenda. I am me, a woman who has never settled for less than what she is worth and it was no different here. The fact he could not keep up with my demands is a reality check for him and for what HE was choosing to do, not me!

 

Another thing that totally irritates me is when I see people say "go out and look for a single guy who deserves your love and you deserve a man who can offer you everything." Assuming the OW's life on here was comprised of a string of MM flings because she deems herself as less worthy. What a condescending remark it is to tell an EX OW to go find a single man. As if I need any stranger here remdinng me of what I am worth. I am WELL aware of what I am worth thank you very much, and you telling me I am great or not worthwhile are 2=the same. MOST OW have striclty dated single men, and will continue to do so dispite having derailed off the path at one point in their lives so spare us the OBVIOUS remarks. You are not discorvering ROME by telling us to go out and find a single guy.

 

We DON"T need reminders to seek out men that are single, it's what we have done ALL our lives thank you very much we are not lost puppies who need redirection. So we cetainly do not need your "helpful nudge" to remind us that there are single guys out there. How condescending a remark can that be?

 

All I keep seeing is a bunch of preconceived ideas based on stereotypical thoughts that are painted across the board with a very wide brush. And quite frankly I am sick and tired of it.

 

I am a WOMAN first and foremost, a woman with an incredible collection of experiences, ideas, memories, and life's truths and my life in no way or form is defined by the one A I was involved in, why the rest of you commoners wish to peg me or us as a one dimensional cartoon labeled the OW, is something you need to analyse on your own. You need to look at what prompts you to characterize another human being based on one experience without even knowing a thing about them an on an off the cuff experience that was shared on here.

 

I think that says a lot more about you than it does us.

 

nevermind. i think it's that you're too busy being on the defensive to even realize what is being said. in any case, i was not insulting you. you don't have to be on the defensive with me. i was an OW, so i know a thing or two about married men. i also have been to support groups where married men have explained their feelings and their ways, so i'm not pulling stuff out of my ass here. i was trying to make you feel a little better in telling you that no one was insulting you, just saying how a married men thinks. it's just common sense. if you want to have a threesome, you're going to seek out people that you think will be into it, it's just that simple. it's not about you. it doesn't matter all the wonderful qualities you have, which i am sure you do! it's about whether or not you will carry out an affair, and if you do, then he found what he's looking for. all the other stuff is secondary.

 

i wish you didn't take it that way. i really meant no harm at all.

[movinon05]

LB for starters is a WOMAN, secondly was a serial cheater/cake eater according to her own admission. I see absolute no simialrity to my ex MAN and the fact that he had ONE pseudo A it wasn't even a full on A.

Please, if you want to tell me what a MM thinks who engages in an A with a woman once in his lifetime, let me hear it from another man who was in a similar situation, I don't want to hear it from a woman's mouth who was nothing like my exMM. Sorry but I just can't equate the two.

 

My MM was not looking for me, it happened, accroding to him he had plenty of opportunities in the past and for whatever reason it never happened. he fell in love with me and in a VERY hard way and I did with him. Don't tell me he seeked me out because of my degenerate fiber or anything if that sort. I am neither a degenerate, NOR an easy target, NOR do I have the "qualities" of an OW whatever those may be according to your own agenda. I am me, a woman who has never settled for less than what she is worth and it was no different here. The fact he could not keep up with my demands is a reality check for him and for what HE was choosing to do, not me!

 

Another thing that totally irritates me is when I see people say "go out and look for a single guy who deserves your love and you deserve a man who can offer you everything." Assuming the OW's life on here was comprised of a string of MM flings because she deems herself as less worthy. What a condescending remark it is to tell an EX OW to go find a single man. As if I need any stranger here remdinng me of what I am worth. I am WELL aware of what I am worth thank you very much, and you telling me I am great or not worthwhile are 2=the same. MOST OW have striclty dated single men, and will continue to do so dispite having derailed off the path at one point in their lives so spare us the OBVIOUS remarks. You are not discorvering ROME by telling us to go out and find a single guy.

 

We DON"T need reminders to seek out men that are single, it's what we have done ALL our lives thank you very much we are not lost puppies who need redirection. So we cetainly do not need your "helpful nudge" to remind us that there are single guys out there. How condescending a remark can that be?

 

All I keep seeing is a bunch of preconceived ideas based on stereotypical thoughts that are painted across the board with a very wide brush. And quite frankly I am sick and tired of it.

 

I am a WOMAN first and foremost, a woman with an incredible collection of experiences, ideas, memories, and life's truths and my life in no way or form is defined by the one A I was involved in, why the rest of you commoners wish to peg me or us as a one dimensional cartoon labeled the OW, is something you need to analyse on your own. You need to look at what prompts you to characterize another human being based on one experience without even knowing a thing about them an on an off the cuff experience that was shared on here.

 

I think that says a lot more about you than it does us.

 

TC, you are truly a breath of fresh air.

 

I think you're my new hero!

[Cobra_X30]

Please, if you want to tell me what a MM thinks who engages in an A with a woman once in his lifetime, let me hear it from another man who was in a similar situation, I don't want to hear it from a woman's mouth who was nothing like my exMM. Sorry but I just can't equate the two.

 

Understand that if I told you how most guys think of this... you'd cry, or puke.... or both. Even more likely, you wouldnt believe... you would think "my man is different". Well, maybe he is... maybe you should go buy a lottery ticket too.

[Impudent Oyster]

I can't figure out how to get the multi-quote feature to work, so I'll do it this way. I'm quoting from TC's vent.

 

"

" NOR an easy target, NOR do I have the "qualities" of an OW whatever those may be according to your own agenda."

 

But you were the OW, and you did respond favorably to his advances, did you not? I've been approached by MM many, many times in the past and have always turned them down. It's not impossible to let them know what your feelings are about MM and that you won't go there, assuming of course that you actuall won't date a MM.

 

He knew that you would simply because you did.

 

"I am me, a woman who has never settled for less than what she is worth and it was no different here. "

 

Then why settle for a man who is committed to someone else? If that isn't settling, I don't know what is!

 

"We DON"T need reminders to seek out men that are single"

 

The circumstances would indicate otherwise.

 

"You need to look at what prompts you to characterize another human being based on one experience "

 

What are we characterized by if not by our actions? How else can people judge you if not by how you live your life ? You ARE your actions. Do you really think people should overlook the wrongs you do? Why?

 

"I think that says a lot more about you than it does us."

 

It says that when a lot of us see people who intentionally sleep with MM, we get upset, the same way I get upset when I see someone hit a child, or cheat on a test, or steal.

 

It's all wrong, it's all preventable and everyone makes a conscious choice in their actions.

 

Personally, I'm sick and tired of the whiny victim attitude and the excuses some of the OW continually make. IT WAS YOUR CHOICE. OWN IT.

[RealityCheck]

I can't figure out how to get the multi-quote feature to work, so I'll do it this way. I'm quoting from TC's vent.

 

"

" NOR an easy target, NOR do I have the "qualities" of an OW whatever those may be according to your own agenda."

 

But you were the OW, and you did respond favorably to his advances, did you not? I've been approached by MM many, many times in the past and have always turned them down. It's not impossible to let them know what your feelings are about MM and that you won't go there, assuming of course that you actuall won't date a MM.

 

He knew that you would simply because you did.

 

"I am me, a woman who has never settled for less than what she is worth and it was no different here. "

 

Then why settle for a man who is committed to someone else? If that isn't settling, I don't know what is!

 

"We DON"T need reminders to seek out men that are single"

 

The circumstances would indicate otherwise.

 

 

"You need to look at what prompts you to characterize another human being based on one experience "

 

What are we characterized by if not by our actions? How else can people judge you if not by how you live your life ? You ARE your actions. Do you really think people should overlook the wrongs you do? Why?

 

"I think that says a lot more about you than it does us."

 

It says that when a lot of us see people who intentionally sleep with MM, we get upset, the same way I get upset when I see someone hit a child, or cheat on a test, or steal.

 

It's all wrong, it's all preventable and everyone makes a conscious choice in their actions.

 

Personally, I'm sick and tired of the whiny victim attitude and the excuses some of the OW continually make. IT WAS YOUR CHOICE. OWN IT.

 

Own it! Geez, where have you been on TC's posts? Seriously!

TC has acknowledged her part all along!

 

Tunnel vision does create blockages.

[Impudent Oyster]

No she doesn't. Don't blame me if you can't see all the excuses in the posts, they're full of them.

[RealityCheck]

No she doesn't. Don't blame me if you can't see all the excuses in the posts, they're full of them.

 

What I see from you is not opinion or a perception! Only generalizations!

 

And what I also see, is someone who posts based only on generalizations does not see things objectively and quite frankly is boring to the reader!

[Impudent Oyster]

There are a few OW here who I respect because they offer no excuses, they own up to their actions and don't play the victim card. Lizzie for one, and LucretiaBorgeia for another.

 

You have to respect that, even if you don't (and I don't) respect what they've done (are still doing?)

[RealityCheck]

There are a few OW here who I respect because they offer no excuses, they own up to their actions and don't play the victim card. Lizzie for one, and LucretiaBorgeia for another.

 

You have to respect that, even if you don't (and I don't) respect what they've done (are still doing?)

 

That I will agree on that Lizzie and LB have brought excellent perceptions and opinions to the Forum! Because they do not post in tunnel vision!

Even I have acknowledged that!

 

You post in generalization! Is it because you have not forgiven yourself?

Think about it!

[Tomcat33]

Understand that if I told you how most guys think of this... you'd cry, or puke.... or both. Even more likely, you wouldnt believe... you would think "my man is different". Well, maybe he is... maybe you should go buy a lottery ticket too.

 

 

As I can tell you a lot of things from a woman's prespective that would make you puke and actually even hate women. I would however be sepaking from my own ideologies, so if I make you puke it's me speaking I cannot speak for all women, nor can you speak for all men.

While you may offer some insight into how a man is wired, I would appreciate that much more than a woman telling what a man feels. And a woman who was nothing like the man I was involved with.

 

i was an OW, so i know a thing or two about married men. i also have been to support groups where married men have explained their feelings and their ways, so i'm not pulling stuff out of my ass here. i was trying to make you feel a little better in telling you that no one was insulting you, just saying how a married men thinks. it's just common sense. if you want to have a threesome, you're going to seek out people that you think will be into it, it's just that simple. it's not about you. it doesn't matter all the wonderful qualities you have, which i am sure you do! it's about whether or not you will carry out an affair, and if you do, then he found what he's looking for. all the other stuff is secondary.

 

oh and because you were an OW that makes you some expert on how all mm think?

 

I don't know what he was looking for but I'll tell you what he did find He found a woman who would not settle for being an OW, and one who would not be second to his life. So he left his W and left the comfort of his prescious life to be with me. He risked losing everything to come and be with me. He didn't D, that was the last thing he "owed" me if we were going to plan a future togetjer. But the rest was all signed sealed and dilivered. Humour me and tell me how I settled for second best?

 

He is back with his W fked upside the head because of the whole ordeal trying to face his W and redo all the harm that this A caused him, trying to salvage what is left of his M and whatever rel he has with his womna and having to look at his W in the eyes and thinking of me every day, and STILL lying to her. I am scott free back to my life. Sorry but the more I write it out the guiltier I feel for having escaped this whole ordeal with not as much as a bruise and he left with the enormity of an aftermath pain and confussion due to his choices.

 

 

Personally, I'm sick and tired of the whiny victim attitude and the excuses some of the OW continually make. IT WAS YOUR CHOICE. OWN IT.

 

IO OWN IT? Listen lady I OWN it, I dealt with it I payed for it and I SURVIVED it. AND I got out of it ALL ON MY OWN. I'm sorry that according to your sense of reality I should be living a life or punishment and bad karma and whatever OTHER crap you tell yourself to make yourself feel better for putting down OW and the likes. I have paid for what I have done and I have turned a new leaf in my life. Things are going truly great for me, and I'm sorry all you BS who have seperation axiety and cannot face that fact that kicking your CS on thier a$$ and putting the on the street is the best thing you can do for your self esteem and for your general emotional health, but that's not my problem. We all have choices if you chose to sit around and clean the a$$ and change the dirty diaper of your baby of a cheating spouse well if you enjoy the deed then some of us deal with $TT better than others.

 

I personally am NOT one to wipe the A$$ off of a grown man. I prefer to go my life alone and roll with the punches rather than chain myself to improving the life of man who does not know his head from his A$$.

If you took that task on then you must like what you are doing. Continue to baby your man and stop trying to make all the OW pay for your stupid choices.

 

THAT'S what it boils down to, BSs regretful of their poor choices to try to improve something that has no cure. One day when you wake up and realise you cannot fix something that has no solution only then will your anger subside and will you be able to enjoy your life again. Until then we can pretty much expect to see all your fantasies spewed out here in the form or "idealisms" on what MM think and want and why they act the way they do and why OW are what they are.

 

In the leas it's good for laugh.

[movinon05]

 

I am a WOMAN first and foremost, a woman with an incredible collection of experiences, ideas, memories, and life's truths and my life in no way or form is defined by the one A I was involved in, why the rest of you commoners wish to peg me or us as a one dimensional cartoon labeled the OW, is something you need to analyse on your own. You need to look at what prompts you to characterize another human being based on one experience without even knowing a thing about them an on an off the cuff experience that was shared on here.

 

I think that says a lot more about you than it does us.

 

This bears repeating as RC did! This is the part of the post that is being ignored and isn't addressed. BECAUSE ITS THE TRUTH!

[RealityCheck]

I personally am NOT one to wipe the A$$ off of a grown man. I prefer to go my life alone and roll with the punches rather than chain myself to improving the life of man who does not know his head from his A$$.

If you took that task on then you must like what you are doing. Continue to baby your man and stop trying to make all the OW pay for your stupid choices.

 

THAT'S what it boils down to, BSs regretful of their poor choices to try to improve something that has no cure. One day when you wake up and realise you cannot fix something that has no solution only then will your anger subside and will you be able to enjoy your life again. Until then we can pretty much expect to see all your fantasies spewed out here in the form or "idealisms" on what MM think and want and why they act the way they do and why OW are what they are.

 

In the leas it's good for laugh.

 

Damn! Well said TC!

 

Can't possibly write something like this if you don't believe it!

 

I'd take ownership on this take! Because I 100% agree!

[Tomcat33]

There are a few OW here who I respect because they offer no excuses, they own up to their actions and don't play the victim card. Lizzie for one, and LucretiaBorgeia for another.

 

You have to respect that, even if you don't (and I don't) respect what they've done (are still doing?)

 

 

Honestly, who cares what you respect and don't. I think this is what a lot of people who think like you don't get. What you respect or don't means $htt to most of us because you are just another # on a site filled with faceless people. That's the point. The fact that you think your comments mean that much to us is more an issue you need to look at. Perhaps you hope to get attention here that you don't at home I dunnow....speculation. Your comments and contribed conclusions on people on here are nothing more than abstract thoughts.

Does that mean I am not going to remind someone my version of how I see things? Absolutely not. I am very much going to say my share as I see it. That's what the point of a lot of these debates are for.

 

But to offer a thought as a conclusion to how ALL people thinks is both ridiculous and reeks of grandiose complex if I ever saw one and that needs IMMEDIATE professional attention in my opinion.

[Impudent Oyster]

TC, Are you through ranting?

 

Funny, you don't sound like you've healed and moved on. Just an observation, but you really need to chill.

[KenzieAbsolutely]

it's not idealistic to think that people seek out what they are looking for. that is all that is being said here. a married man would less likely approach a woman who staunchly refuses to date a married man. he would be more likely to approach someone he thought he might have a chance with. if he gets that chance, he was right. why does that bother you so much?

 

i guess you just want to fight because you completely ignored my apology/explanation to you. i don't want to fight because i don't see the need to keep making the same point you keep missing over and over again. i've never been against you.

[RealityCheck]

But to offer a thought as a conclusion to how ALL people thinks is both ridiculous and reeks of grandiose complex if I ever saw one and that needs IMMEDIATE professional attention in my opinion.

 

Yet another awesome evaluation!

 

TC!!! Where have you been all my life!.....

[RealityCheck]

TC, Are you through ranting?

 

Funny, you don't sound like you've healed and moved on. Just an observation, but you really need to chill.

 

Point your finger IO, because there are definately 3 coming back at you!

 

You started the rant so OWN UP TO IT!

 

TC, not either in defense mode or trying to rationalize any part of who she is!

 

I can't say the same about you IO! Your just not getting it! TUNNEL VISION!

[KenzieAbsolutely]

Yet another awesome evaluation!

 

TC!!! Where have you been all my life!.....

 

so if i believe that all people who want to eat vanilla ice cream, have clear intentions to order vanilla, will order vanilla so long as the store carries it, i must need professional help?

 

why does this not make sense to you? stop spazzing out, calm down, and think about it before you fly off the handle. appearing unstable doesn't make people get your point.