Drinking/smoking Laws too harsh?

[luvmy2ns]

No one is telling people that they can't smoke. Who said there was a law against smoking? They can stink up their own homes if they want.

[melodymatters]

Luvmy, I understand your joy, but try and look at the BIGGER PICTURE. If I buy a building, pay thousands for my liqour license, I pay the taxes, the heat, maintain my parking lot and on and on and on. Shouldn't I, be the one who decides if people can use a LEGAL product in my place of business ?

 

MY point at least, as a registered Libertarian is I do not want the government to act in loco parentis. I am an adult American. At what point do we stop the madness : You must wear seat belts, you can't talk on your cell phone, you can't smoke outside your own home, you must wear a helmet etc etc.

 

Sure these might be " unhealthy" or dangerous behavoirs, but where do we draw the line ?? Colon cancer is up there in the leading cancer deaths. What if you had cops show up once a year to make SURE you got your colonoscopy ?

 

Should we have cops stopping the obese from ordering bacon cheeseburgers at mcdonalds ? Stopping the promiscous man or woman from sleeping around ??

 

It's a slippery slope my friends !!!

 

 

And TBF, I don't understand what you are saying about dwi laws. Do you want the legal limit to be 0.00% ? OK, hope you like to hang out at home a lot, or like eating at diners only, because every single bar and restuarant will go out of business.

[woodsfield]

But that is already done in so many facets of life and law.

 

that doesn't make it right, IMO, but i do enjoy the occasional outting without wanting to "burn" my clothes the next morning. nothing better than waking up after downing mass quantities of alcohol to smell your clothes and have them "knock you over."

 

i like smelling good and breathing easy.

[woodsfield]

MY point at least, as a registered Libertarian is I do not want the government to act in loco parentis. I am an adult American. At what point do we stop the madness : You must wear seat belts, you can't talk on your cell phone, you can't smoke outside your own home, you must wear a helmet etc etc.

 

i knew there was something i liked about you and i guess that is my point..."damn the man for telling me what i can and cannot do."

[SmileEmptySoul]

Well Honestly I meant smoking marijuana. The reason why marijuana is banned isnt because of the effects its because of

 

- Protection of Corporate Profits

- Yellow Journalism

- Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators

- Personal Career Advancement and Greed

[melodymatters]

Absolutley agree with you there Smile !!! How a natural herb become so stigmatized that they can take your HOUSE away if you have some there for personal use is insane !

 

Ask any cop whether they break up more domestic violence incidents due to booze or the fact that the couple smoked a joint and fought over who got the last of the ben and jerry's !

[blind_otter]

Well Honestly I meant smoking marijuana. The reason why marijuana is banned isnt because of the effects its because of

 

- Protection of Corporate Profits

- Yellow Journalism

- Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators

- Personal Career Advancement and Greed

 

I agree with you completely. My exhusband spent a handful of years in federal prison for growing a f*cking plant.

[blind_otter]

No one is telling people that they can't smoke. Who said there was a law against smoking? They can stink up their own homes if they want.

 

Wow. That's like the fourth time that you missed the point. Melodymatters put this much more eloquently than I did.

[Trialbyfire]

And TBF, I don't understand what you are saying about dwi laws. Do you want the legal limit to be 0.00% ? OK, hope you like to hang out at home a lot, or like eating at diners only, because every single bar and restuarant will go out of business.

I agree with DWI laws, no matter what percentage because everyones' tolerance to alcohol differs. I will hop a cab before I drink and drive. If I'm the DD, I don't drink at all.

 

I'm also a Libertarian.

[wwjd]

Luvmy, I understand your joy, but try and look at the BIGGER PICTURE. If I buy a building, pay thousands for my liqour license, I pay the taxes, the heat, maintain my parking lot and on and on and on. Shouldn't I, be the one who decides if people can use a LEGAL product in my place of business ?

 

MY point at least, as a registered Libertarian is I do not want the government to act in loco parentis. I am an adult American. At what point do we stop the madness : You must wear seat belts, you can't talk on your cell phone, you can't smoke outside your own home, you must wear a helmet etc etc.

 

Sure these might be " unhealthy" or dangerous behavoirs, but where do we draw the line ?? Colon cancer is up there in the leading cancer deaths. What if you had cops show up once a year to make SURE you got your colonoscopy ?

 

Should we have cops stopping the obese from ordering bacon cheeseburgers at mcdonalds ? Stopping the promiscous man or woman from sleeping around ??

 

It's a slippery slope my friends !!!

 

absolutely. i'm totally with you, melody. very nicely put.

 

i really don't understand why it's so difficult for some people to comprehend something so simple as i, as a smoker, will respect the private venues that don't allow smoking indoors, and you, as a non-smoker, will respect the private venues that do allow smoking indoors, and chose to frequent them or not, without complaints.

 

seriously. i have no problem going to bars or anywhere where smoking is banned. whatever, you know? as i said before, it's absolutely fine if some places do it, but it's seemingly downright constitutional of some people and the government to employ a nationwide smoking ban in any and all public and private places, with the exception of your home, which is that they are seemingly trying to do.

 

as you said, it is a slippery slope. suppose that smoking is banned everywhere, except for your home. suppose next that i am smoking in my back yard and my anti-smoking neighbor can smell the tobacco and starts fussing about second hand smoke, should i be arrested for doing something legal in my own home?

 

i probably would be, since second-hand smoke is the core of all this, apparently. it is beyond ridiculous.

 

and the whole, "well, my not smoking doesn't harm anyone" is not a good argument. by that logic, we should ban alcohol, as well. yes, there is no such thing as second-hand liver damage, but people drink and drive and they always will so long as alcohol is legal and and judgment is poor (not all people, btw, but most). how many accidents does that cause? many.

 

and then there will always be that person with liver damage, thanks to alcohol, who is not insured and for whom i will be paying for in the form of taxes.

 

where does it end? so, as you can see it does translate to a slippery slope, and those are always nasty.

 

Well Honestly I meant smoking marijuana. The reason why marijuana is banned isnt because of the effects its because of

 

- Protection of Corporate Profits

- Yellow Journalism

- Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators

- Personal Career Advancement and Greed

 

i agree here, too. i bet you anything that if the government could find a way to tax all of it, they'd have no problems legalizing it.

 

weed is less harmful than both drinking and smoking and yet it is illegal. this country is seriously backwards sometimes.

[woodsfield]

Well Honestly I meant smoking marijuana. The reason why marijuana is banned isnt because of the effects its because of

 

- Protection of Corporate Profits

- Yellow Journalism

- Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators

- Personal Career Advancement and Greed

 

well now your talking my language.

 

you can die from alcohol poisening. you cannot OD on pot. case closed.

[luvmy2ns]

Wow. That's like the fourth time that you missed the point. Melodymatters put this much more eloquently than I did.

 

How adult of you.

 

Here's the point: We're now on here talking about doing away with a whole slew of laws. Okay. Let's not have any laws at all then. Oh. Wait. That won't work, right? Some people don't know right from wrong. Oh, wait. There's a right and a wrong? Wow. From reading these posts, one wouldn't think so. And by the way, which one person on here gets to decide which are good laws and which are bad? Guess what? It is what it is. Get over it.

 

Like I said - and I will say it again so maybe this time you can take it in. No one is saying people can't smoke a cigarette. Go smoke one. Smoke it in your car with your windows rolled up so your kids can enjoy it too (I see smokers do this allll the time). Smoke it at home so your windows and ceilings (and even the inside of your refrigerator) will look all greazzy and yellow and smell just like you. Suck 'em up folks! Enjoy!!! Nobody is stopping the smoking. They're just stopping me and all the other non-smokers from suffering through them with you like we've been forced to for years upon years. Did you hear it that time? Well - no matter. We've already won.

[wwjd]

How adult of you.

 

Here's the point: We're now on here talking about doing away with a whole slew of laws. Okay. Let's not have any laws at all then. Oh. Wait. That won't work, right? Some people don't know right from wrong. Oh, wait. There's a right and a wrong? Wow. From reading these posts, one wouldn't think so. And by the way, which one person on here gets to decide which are good laws and which are bad? Guess what? It is what it is. Get over it.

 

Like I said - and I will say it again so maybe this time you can take it in. No one is saying people can't smoke a cigarette. Go smoke one. Smoke it in your car with your windows rolled up so your kids can enjoy it too (I see smokers do this allll the time). Smoke it at home so your windows and ceilings (and even the inside of your refrigerator) will look all greazzy and yellow and smell just like you. Suck 'em up folks! Enjoy!!! Nobody is stopping the smoking. They're just stopping me and all the other non-smokers from suffering through them with you like we've been forced to for years upon years. Did you hear it that time? Well - no matter. We've already won.

 

 

okay, so i guess this is the fifth time that you've missed the point.

[tanbark813]

a nationwide smoking ban in any and all public and private places, with the exception of your home, which is that they are seemingly trying to do.

 

It's already happening:

 

The Belmont City Council voted unanimously last night to pursue a strict law that will prohibit smoking anywhere in the city except for single-family detached residences. Smoking on the street, in a park and even in one’s car will become illegal and police would have the option of handing out tickets if they catch someone.

 

..from http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=66988

 

So now in Belmont you can still smoke in your home if it's a "detached residence" but smoking in your home if you live in an apartment or condo is illegal. I'm not a smoker (aside from the occasional drunken drag ) and I do appreciate the smoke-free bars in CA but making smoking inside your home illegal is completely ridiculous. It's an infringement upon personal freedom.

[johan]

It's already happening:

 

 

 

..from http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=66988

 

So now in Belmont you can still smoke in your home if it's a "detached residence" but smoking in your home if you live in an apartment or condo is illegal. I'm not a smoker (aside from the occasional drunken drag ) and I do appreciate the smoke-free bars in CA but making smoking inside your home illegal is completely ridiculous. It's an infringement upon personal freedom.

 

If the units are completely airtight, then I agree with you. I once lived in an apartment where I got to breathe the neighbors' cigarette smoke.

[Jinnah]

If the units are completely airtight, then I agree with you. I once lived in an apartment where I got to breathe the neighbors' cigarette smoke.

 

A long time ago, I lived in an apartment. The resident's below us smoked and our apartment always reeked of smoke... it was horrible. I don't know how it got in (our windows were always closed), but it did. I hated it... BUT, it wasn't the fault of the people who smoked... it was the fault of the builder. I think people should be allowed to smoke inside their homes, just not around other people who don't like it. We are way off topic, though, aren't we?

[tanbark813]

If the units are completely airtight, then I agree with you. I once lived in an apartment where I got to breathe the neighbors' cigarette smoke.

 

I would trade breathing smoke if it meant I didn't have to listen to some goddamn little kid running around above me 24-7. Although I would gladly support a smoking ban in apartments if it were passed in conjunction with a ban on little kids--either removing them altogether or crippling them.

[johan]

I would trade breathing smoke if it meant I didn't have to listen to some goddamn little kid running around above me 24-7. Although I would gladly support a smoking ban in apartments if it were passed in conjunction with a ban on little kids--either removing them altogether or crippling them.

 

I would be against the smoke regardless. But I wouldn't be opposed to limiting other intrusions, such as the little kids. I think you could achieve the same thing if you just gave them some kind of pharmaceutical that took the fun out of everything. Hobble them emotionally, then you won't have the guilt about actually hurting them.

[luvmy2ns]

okay, so i guess this is the fifth time that you've missed the point.

 

I haven't missed any point. In fact, there are a couple of them - on the tops of some heads.

[luvmy2ns]

I would trade breathing smoke if it meant I didn't have to listen to some goddamn little kid running around above me 24-7. Although I would gladly support a smoking ban in apartments if it were passed in conjunction with a ban on little kids--either removing them altogether or crippling them.

 

OMG, I know how annoying that can be! Depending on where you live, you might be able to find a house to rent at not much more than an apartment price. Problem solved.

[Art_Critic]

After having lost 2 parents to cancer that was caused by cigarette smoking I can attest to the harmful effects of smoking..

I have lived thru the damage caused by the addiction to cigarettes and the damage caused by the smoke..

I have also had a friend that got cancer from second hand smoke and beat it..

 

I am for all laws or legislation that removes the second hand smoke from filling the lungs of unsuspecting people like myself or children..screw the selfish smokers who think they have a right to harm other people.

 

Now that smoking is no longer allowed in airplanes and public buildings and restaurants there are real lives being saved from this..

 

Does anyone remember what it was like to fly in an airplane filled full of smoke ?.. if you got a rear seat you literally could not breath.. it was worse than any bar by triple..

[luvmy2ns]

After having lost 2 parents to cancer that was caused by cigarette smoking I can attest to the harmful effects of smoking..

I have lived thru the damage caused by the addiction to cigarettes and the damage caused by the smoke..

I have also had a friend that got cancer from second hand smoke and beat it..

 

I am for all laws or legislation that removes the second hand smoke from filling the lungs of unsuspecting people like myself or children..screw the selfish smokers who think they have a right to harm other people.

 

Now that smoking is no longer allowed in airplanes and public buildings and restaurants there are real lives being saved from this..

 

Does anyone remember what it was like to fly in an airplane filled full of smoke ?.. if you got a rear seat you literally could not breath.. it was worse than any bar by triple..

 

Words of widsom, and from a patriotic clown, at that! Thank you for echoing my sentiments, though we're both obviously missing some kind of point.

[tanbark813]

Depending on where you live, you might be able to find a house to rent at not much more than an apartment price. Problem solved.

 

HA! You obviously have never lived in this area.

[luvmy2ns]

HA! You obviously have never lived in this area.

 

No, I haven't. Sorry TB. I'm in the "Great White North" and probably pay less for my mortgage, insurance, and property tax monthly on my house, garage, sauna, and 40 acres than you pay for rent. But then you don't have to clear snow off an 1/8 mile long driveway! Oh well. I guess you have to take the bad with the good.

[tanbark813]

Exactly. That's why your "problem solved" comment is ridiculous.