RealityCheck Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 This is too funny... and how do you think she can prove this... unless the MM leaves 'traces' every where. This is probably one case among millions of cases... LOL almost impossible to prove. There are RARELY strong cases ... trust me. Agreed! How does one proove such a thing? Even a credit card cannot proove that the gift was actually given to any specific person. It would have to be something registered in the MM name like a vehicle. And; if the OW is receiving gifts like that, I am sure the MM doesn't care because he obviously has loads of money. Link to post Share on other sites
herenow Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 This is too funny... and how do you think she can prove this... unless the MM leaves 'traces' every where. This is probably one case among millions of cases... LOL almost impossible to prove. There are RARELY strong cases ... trust me. Here is what a 10 second search gave me. I'm sure there is more, but I'm not inclined to do anymore searching. BTW, it would be very easy to prove large gifts. I agree, smaller ones may be hard, but when large amounts of money are spent, it isn't very hard to trace. PI's and forensic accountants make lots of money themselves doing just that. WIFE WINS LAWSUIT AGAINST HUSBAND'S MISTRESS. Friday Church News Notes, November 15, 2002 - Earlier this month, Margaret McCarthy of Washington state won a hefty lawsuit against her late husband's mistress, requiring her to pay back the value of everything the man had given her during their adulterous relationship. When Jack McCarthy, a wealthy real estate broker, died last year, his girlfriend, Kathie O'Keefe, sued the estate, demanding a watch and ring and $200,000 he allegedly had promised her ("Mistress Ordered to Reimburse Dead Lover's Wife for 20 Years of Gifts," ABC News, Nov. 9, 2002). Margaret McCarthy counter-sued and won, based on a 90-year-old state law that does not allow one married spouse to gift community property to an individual without the consent of the other spouse. Link to post Share on other sites
TogetherForever Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 No. Absolutely not. Only the entitlement to another person's assets. A person is married until the Divorce is finalized legally. I know, I know RC. Link to post Share on other sites
RealityCheck Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Here is what a 10 second search gave me. I'm sure there is more, but I'm not inclined to do anymore searching. BTW, it would be very easy to prove large gifts. I agree, smaller ones may be hard, but when large amounts of money are spent, it isn't very hard to trace. PI's and forensic accountants make lots of money themselves doing just that. WIFE WINS LAWSUIT AGAINST HUSBAND'S MISTRESS. Friday Church News Notes, November 15, 2002 - Earlier this month, Margaret McCarthy of Washington state won a hefty lawsuit against her late husband's mistress, requiring her to pay back the value of everything the man had given her during their adulterous relationship. When Jack McCarthy, a wealthy real estate broker, died last year, his girlfriend, Kathie O'Keefe, sued the estate, demanding a watch and ring and $200,000 he allegedly had promised her ("Mistress Ordered to Reimburse Dead Lover's Wife for 20 Years of Gifts," ABC News, Nov. 9, 2002). Margaret McCarthy counter-sued and won, based on a 90-year-old state law that does not allow one married spouse to gift community property to an individual without the consent of the other spouse. And there you have it! He's was loaded and now dead! Link to post Share on other sites
TogetherForever Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 This is too funny... and how do you think she can prove this... unless the MM leaves 'traces' every where. This is probably one case among millions of cases... LOL almost impossible to prove. There are RARELY strong cases ... trust me. She can't prove anything in my situation. Link to post Share on other sites
herenow Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 And there you have it! He's was loaded and now dead! Yes, but the OW is left to pay back a s**t load of money and he isn't around to help her. So, that is the point of my post. Even if he was still alive, I'm sure his assets would be frozen and the OW would still be left with the bill. I know you say it's hard to prove, but don't underestimate the BW who goes this route. Especially one with loads of money that she shares with her H. Courts are very sympathetic to the BW when the MM has spent marital funds on an OW. Link to post Share on other sites
herenow Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 She can't prove anything in my situation. Remember TF, anything is possible and you have no idea what she knows. There are some brilliant forensic accountants that can find things you may not even be aware of. When partnered with a PI, they can be your worst nightmare. Don't be so sure that she can't prove anything if she really wanted to. Link to post Share on other sites
RealityCheck Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Yes, but the OW is left to pay back a s**t load of money and he isn't around to help her. So, that is the point of my post. Even if he was still alive, I'm sure his assets would be frozen and the OW would still be left with the bill. I know you say it's hard to prove, but don't underestimate the BW who goes this route. Especially one with loads of money that she shares with her H. Courts are very sympathetic to the BW when the MM has spent marital funds on an OW. I do not dispute your point. Never did. What I will say in the case you posted is obviously the H had loads of money and is now dead. Why oh, why would any woman waste her time paying lawyers to get revenge on a dead cheating H or an OW who isn't even a morsel part of her life anymore. That is of course unless the OW is having an Affair with his corpse. Link to post Share on other sites
herenow Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I do not dispute your point. Never did. What I will say in the case you posted is obviously the H had loads of money and is now dead. Why oh, why would any woman waste her time paying lawyers to get revenge on a dead cheating H or an OW who isn't even a morsel part of her life anymore. That is of course unless the OW is having an Affair with his corpse. Because, they can. Link to post Share on other sites
RealityCheck Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Because, they can. Well I can do many things too! But I won't! Not when I am to consider how much wasted energy and time goes into something that I cannot change. Link to post Share on other sites
herenow Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Well I can do many things too! But I won't! Not when I am to consider how much wasted energy and time goes into something that I cannot change. I agree with you. I choose to not give the OW in my case any attention. That would be counterproductive. I feel she is insignificant and that my energy is better spent working on improving myself, my marriage and my relationship with my H, but not everyone sees life that way. When a BW has the time, the will and the resources, she can get the info she needs to get legal revenge on the OW. The posters on this thread that laugh at that notion are mistaken if they feel that there is no way to prove anything. Link to post Share on other sites
RealityCheck Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I agree with you. I choose to not give the OW in my case any attention. That would be counterproductive. I feel she is insignificant and that my energy is better spent working on improving myself, my marriage and my relationship with my H, but not everyone sees life that way. When a BW has the time, the will and the resources, she can get the info she needs to get legal revenge on the OW. The posters on this thread that laugh at that notion are mistaken if they feel that there is no way to prove anything. Now that is a healthy attitude where you would like to put your energy! Good for you! As far as prooving anything. Of course anything is possible. It all depends as to what extent. I don't believe any of the posters said it wasn't possible, they only said "rarely". Link to post Share on other sites
Author woe_is_me Posted September 13, 2007 Author Share Posted September 13, 2007 I don't know what state you live in, but in the state I live in, this isn't possible. Although the child support payments would be increased by the 2nd wife's income, property she owned prior to her marriage to the man could not be taken to pay debts he incurred to his former wife for child support he owed prior to his 2nd marriage. sorry, i had to go to bed i don't think the debts this guy had are to do with his x wife and children.. what the xW wanted was apparently just the tip of the iceberg... my guess is she was most probably duped also... Link to post Share on other sites
bish Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 single gal meets MM and becomes OW... H/mm falls in love and subsequently divorces...hasn't seen his children since he filed for divorce...approx 4 yrs ago now.. ow marries h/mm after the divorce ... both professinals.. shotgun wedding however..because she's now pregnant with her first child.. to him.. and he still hasn't seen his other children.. fast forward..child is approx. 18 months old now.. ex wife has taken xH to family court...he doesn't only owe debts to the xW (coz everyone is of course wondering why xW is out for blood...) he owes debts to the tune of more than OW (who became 2nd wife) could ever have imagined... I can't go into great detail but after almost collapsing..this is the OW/2nd wife.. due to the verdict (more than once - she put up a fight)..shes lost a property ($200 000) that was hers.. because whats hers is now his due to their 'marriage' and her $20 000 car is also possibly being reposessed... just some food for thought Good for the exW!!! BOOM SHAKALAKA!!! Link to post Share on other sites
TogetherForever Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yeh but I'd love to know if the exw is happy with what she has now??? She's left with money. Big deal. Link to post Share on other sites
RealityCheck Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yeh but I'd love to know if the exw is happy with what she has now??? She's left with money. Big deal. No kidding! And a memories of a marriage filled with a cheat! Now isn't that such a wonderful legacy to leave behind. Link to post Share on other sites
luvmy2ns Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yeh but I'd love to know if the exw is happy with what she has now??? She's left with money. Big deal. The joy-filled experience of seeing the cheater's financial situation crushed by his own selfish behavior along with that of the sneaky woman he's now with. Karma can be soooo good! Link to post Share on other sites
Author woe_is_me Posted September 13, 2007 Author Share Posted September 13, 2007 Yeh but I'd love to know if the exw is happy with what she has now??? She's left with money. Big deal. The xW has already met somebody else .. though i'm not sure why she won't or hasn't let him see his children.. I think in the bitter end it came down to money .. not love I don't know enough about what kind of debts he incurred or why he is in trouble it sounds to me like he conned both of these women.. and it just goes to show the lies and facades a man of this charachter can manage to put on.. and how these women can't/couldn't see past this.. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I do not dispute your point. Never did. What I will say in the case you posted is obviously the H had loads of money and is now dead. Why oh, why would any woman waste her time paying lawyers to get revenge on a dead cheating H or an OW who isn't even a morsel part of her life anymore. That is of course unless the OW is having an Affair with his corpse. It was a counter-suit (the lawsuit in HN's story, I mean). Not to be all playground and all, but the OW started it. Link to post Share on other sites
RealityCheck Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 The joy-filled experience of seeing the cheater's financial situation crushed by his own selfish behavior along with that of the sneaky woman he's now with. Karma can be soooo good! What Karma? The guy is dead! The once alive now dead guy was LOADED! Wife inherited the estate. $200,000 of gifts bought for the OW is petty cash! What's to crush! I don't believe the corpse is sneaking around with the OW. Link to post Share on other sites
RealityCheck Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 It was a counter-suit (the lawsuit in HN's story, I mean). Not to be all playground and all, but the OW started it. Who cares who started what! The guy is Dead! Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Who cares who started what! The guy is Dead! Er...I was responding to the thing you posted about why a woman would want to get revenge and have anything to do with someone who "isn't even a morsel part of her life anymore." And my point was, she didn't. She was sued by the OW, who wouldn't let it go, and she responded. That's why it matters - your point didn't make sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites
RealityCheck Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Er...I was responding to the thing you posted about why a woman would want to get revenge and have anything to do with someone who "isn't even a morsel part of her life anymore." And my point was, she didn't. She was sued by the OW, who wouldn't let it go, and she responded. That's why it matters - your point didn't make sense to me. Okay I hear what you are conveying. For me, I feel the entire law suit is ridiculous. That includes the OW for even having the nerve to want anything from the guy. The case is bizzare and I find it really, really sad that people would go to such lengths for money no matter what the cause. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Okay I hear what you are conveying. For me, I feel the entire law suit is ridiculous. That includes the OW for even having the nerve to want anything from the guy. The case is bizzare and I find it really, really sad that people would go to such lengths for money no matter what the cause. I'm in agreement with you there! Link to post Share on other sites
herenow Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 I'm in agreement with you there! I agree as well, but some people will stop at nothing to get revenge. This thread was a warning of sorts, so I just added an other scenario of what happens when someone has the time, resources and cares enough to put forth the effort. Personally, I think any kind of effort or contact with the OW gives her too much importance and brings her back into my life, a place where she doesn't belong. Link to post Share on other sites
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