Maybe some of you read my thread on the infidelity forum

[Treatment]

Then again, as aforementioned, I could be completely wrong. Just going from a personal assumption based on what I know about men like you. No offense.

 

You are wrong. Completely. And you do not know me well enough to say you know "men like me."

[frannie]

You know what I love - The past few replies are what EXACTLY SO MANY OW complain about when they come here for advice. Each of you have been harsh, rude and angry towards Treatment and hey - He isn't YOUR MM, yet some of you are taking out your own frustrations and hurt on him. Now THAT is what I call double standard. You expect BS's to treat you well, and tell them "I am not your husband's OW, so don't vent your anger at me", yet many replies here can't show this guy the same respect that you all expect from BS's.

 

Hmm but let's face it, he's asking on the OW forum, but he'd be much better off on Infidelity asking how to ditch the inconvenient OW. What input is he looking for here..? Oh yes, how long will it take him to be free of someone he invited into his own life in a hugely mistaken blunder..?

 

OW have TOLD him what THEY think and been told that it's 'her problem she doesn't have closure'. Well that's what you get for asking human beings what a human being might want or need in order to move on. What else does he need..? If he wants to view the OW as an inconvenient side-show to his life he should be on Infidelity, where he will get plenty of that I'm sure.

 

We're human beings here not 'OW'

 

[frannie]

Before I married, anytime I broke up with a woman I gave her a gift. So nice to know that I've been idiotic my whole life.

 

Excuse me if I misread, and I'm quite prepared to admit that I did, but didn't you describe it as a BIRTHDAY gift somewhere on this thread..? Or did her birthday coincide with your kicking her into touch..? Did you tell her that at the time.

 

By the way, did you hand her the gift or is all this via post and email..? I should probably read your original thread though, I could do with a laugh.

[Treatment]

:o you ended it on the phone? thats the worse path, don't you think she deserved more as a human being? you lured her in to believe in you and then you blamed her for everything she done?

I ended it on the phone because she LIVED 700 MILES AWAY. What do you expect, that I'd fly there to tell her I didn't want to email her anymore?

with the phone thing i think its wrong of her to do that BUT.. YOU TOLD HER YOUR M IS NOT GOOD ...SHE BELIEVED YOU....

...MAN!!!! you became angry a your own OW ...and called her B*TCH

I called her a bitch on this site, yes. She has become that to me after continually harassing me.

,,,what kind of a man you are apart from the coward one...(sorry if you don't like this) ...what i try to say is TREATMENT! ,,,tell her in person...you may hate her gut but you must face her...tell her that you are sorry ..the sorry thing will help a lot

..tell her that you wanted to work everything out in you M

What you folks don't get is that I DID tell her I was sorry. I DID tell her that my wife and I had reconnected and that was where I wanted to focus my energy. I DID offer to meet her in person when she showed up unexpectedly 700 miles away from where she lives in a restaurant she knows I go to. (why don't you people read the threads, if you want to bang on me, at least know what you're talking about) but she wanted to play coy. I will not again meet with her.

 

and told her that you have told your W everything(if thats is the truth)

I didn't tell her that I told my W everything at the time that I broke it off, as I hadn't then. I will not speak with her again. It really doesn't matter what you say, my wife says no. And I will honor that.

 

...the end of the day you are the one who start it in the first place....

No. in the end of the day I am NOT the one who started it in the first place. She is.

[Treatment]

if she makes 10+ hangup calls to me in one day after I dump her, she's a crazy-*ss stalker b*tch. That doesn't change just because she plotted to snare herself a MM instead of a single one. (And if you read Treatment's other thread, you'll see she did plot.)

Thank you.

[Treatment]

Frannie, you seem to be a callous woman who gets off on the pain of other people. Just so long as it isn't you, right? Thanks so very much for your wonderful assessment of my character. As I said on one of my two threads my attitude towards women has taken a complete change over the last year. I used to think that women were gentle creatures, kind and quite different from men. I was wrong but until reading some of the venom I've gotten here I still hadn't believed how wrong I was. The woman I got involved with via email now seems to be stalking me and my wife. Apparently you think that's cute. I don't.

 

I don't believe I have anywhere claimed that what I did was the right thing to do. I asked for a little information on this site because I thought someone here may have some. Frankly what I've seen has scared the holy hell out of me. I thought the woman who was stalking me was unusual. Instead it seems that there is a whole slew of women who think it's funny, who would have done it themselves, who think I should meet with her with my wife, who think I am automatically the one in the wrong.

 

I did not pursue the woman. I did not f*ck the woman. I did not kiss her, hold her hand, etc. Did I write some things I shouldn't? Yes. Did I give her a present? Yes. By the way I gave her the present. I didn't call it a birthday gift, she did. After that I thought of it as a birthday gift. But in my mind when I purchased it is was a goodbye gift. Did I tell her on the day I gave it to her that I was going to be ending the relationship? No. I was afraid to. So that's I'm sure another nail in the coffin you want to build me.

 

I've learned a lot here. I've learned that a lot of women have a lot of excuses for their behavior. If a man exhibits bad behavior though he can have no excuses for his.

[StaringContest]

you ended it on the phone? thats the worse path, don't you think she deserved more as a human being?

 

Like Treatment said, the woman lives 700 miles away and most of their interactions have been via email. It makes no sense to make a special 700 mile trip to dump an OW.

 

If it was single guy with a gf, then maybe. I know the OW aren't going to like what I'm gonna say, but when you're an OW you just can't expect the same kind of break-up treatment that you can when you're dating a single guy. When a guy decides to go back to his W, she takes priority. Responsibility to you is an after-thought at best.

 

Is that fair to you? Nope, not at all. But that's the way it is, and if you don't like it, don't get involved with a MM. If you are involved with a MM and he dumps you rudely, accept your mistake and move on just like you would if the guy was single.

 

But if you're the type of has to resort to stalking, violence, or vandalism because you were dumped no matter why or how it was done, get to a therapist.

 

you lured her in to believe in you and then you blamed her for everything she done?

Actually, she pursued him more than he pursued her. She started in with all the talk about the future. Yeah it was slimy of Treatment to go along with it, but she's a grown woman and she knew what she was doing.

 

Oh poor him, the victim of some crazy-ass stalker b*tch who plotted so 'snare' him. I do feel so sorry for his predicament.

 

Nobody said you should pity him. He's owned up to his responsibility. I'm just saying that this woman isn't an innocent victim. She knew he was married. She flirted with him. She asked for his email. She pursued him.

 

And his protestations that he inadvertently got all tangled up with someone who has turned out to be not as easy to manipulate as he thought.

I'm sure Treatment did his share of manipulating. He admittedly led her to believe things that weren't true. But she seems to have done the majority of it. Based on the post-dumping games and manipulation she's done so far, I bet she did a lot more which Treatment wasn't even clued in about.

 

Just because your MM pursued and manipulated you doesn't mean Treatment did. Just because you're not crazy doesn't mean his OW isn't.

 

I should probably read your original thread though

I agree.

[frannie]

Frannie, you seem to be a callous woman who gets off on the pain of other people. Just so long as it isn't you, right? Thanks so very much for your wonderful assessment of my character. As I said on one of my two threads my attitude towards women has taken a complete change over the last year. I used to think that women were gentle creatures, kind and quite different from men. I was wrong but until reading some of the venom I've gotten here I still hadn't believed how wrong I was. The woman I got involved with via email now seems to be stalking me and my wife. Apparently you think that's cute. I don't.

 

I don't believe I have anywhere claimed that what I did was the right thing to do. I asked for a little information on this site because I thought someone here may have some. Frankly what I've seen has scared the holy hell out of me. I thought the woman who was stalking me was unusual. Instead it seems that there is a whole slew of women who think it's funny, who would have done it themselves, who think I should meet with her with my wife, who think I am automatically the one in the wrong.

 

I did not pursue the woman. I did not f*ck the woman. I did not kiss her, hold her hand, etc. Did I write some things I shouldn't? Yes. Did I give her a present? Yes. By the way I gave her the present. I didn't call it a birthday gift, she did. After that I thought of it as a birthday gift. But in my mind when I purchased it is was a goodbye gift. Did I tell her on the day I gave it to her that I was going to be ending the relationship? No. I was afraid to. So that's I'm sure another nail in the coffin you want to build me.

 

I've learned a lot here. I've learned that a lot of women have a lot of excuses for their behavior. If a man exhibits bad behavior though he can have no excuses for his.

 

No women aren't 'gentle, kind and quite different from men', by your own lips you believe some of them are B*TCHES... right... Actually, the fact is that, surprise surprise women are people just like you are. And if you've been led down the garden path by someone you're mad as hell, right..??? Or at least that's what you're saying. So... she's as mad as hell too. Welcome to the human race.

 

I'm sure you've found enough here of the 'inhuman' 'holy slew of women' who fulfil your fantasy that we're either whores or angels. Wrong again, we're just human. You're the one expecting particular behaviour from people. And once again yes, you involved this woman in your life, and now you're paying for it. And NO I wouldn't go chasing after you or making phonecalls because it's obvious to ME what kind of man you are... unfortunately for your OW she is unaware of that, probably because of some weasel words sent her with her Birthday, f*ck off gift, I should imagine.

 

In your mind it was a 'goodbye' gift... it's her fault she thought it was a birthday gift... would that be anything to do with the fact you gave it her on or near her birthday..? Gosh, what an ass she is then!

 

No one, least of all me, is saying anyone here did a good job of relating with others, but you know, you're the one posting, and your posts and comments about the women you're involved with, and ones commenting on this thread are frankly disgraceful.

 

You messed up, and now you're paying. Have a nice day.

[upto_here]

Well well well !!! treatment...you had your answer ......i had read your tread !!! its all go in circle.. the blame ...isn't it....its all an excuse ,... i was wondering how you suppose to unsolve this? blame the ow more? i think you post here as you wanted to take your anger out in this....as the late opinion like wwiu said ...you can not blme all at the OW ...if you are in this mess its all our responsible we let everything happen ...you can't just said OH SHE STARTED IT I AM THE INNOCENT ONE DO YOU? OR YOU DID,TREATMENT?

we not try to give you a harsh time but just wanted you to realise ,and be responsibilities....i'm sure you had a heart....now i suppose its all anger inside you...thats things should have been smooth at home...but it didn't !!! true the innocent one like your w shouldn't have been put in this situation...good that you put an effort in your M ....its good for you i agreed ....completely..but what i try to open your eyes is that ...you must solve this problem...before its getting out of hand believe me ..people sane and capable are not the same...some do realise what they done but some didn't...we post here as it not the whole truth is it? you don't have to answer that ...only you know best...BE A MAN AND A GOOD HUSBAND ...CAN YOU DO IT.?..FOR THESE WOMAN SAKE...YOU OWN THEM ONE....ESPECIALLY YOUR W:o

[frannie]

Like Treatment said, the woman lives 700 miles away and most of their interactions have been via email. It makes no sense to make a special 700 mile trip to dump an OW.

 

If it was single guy with a gf, then maybe. I know the OW aren't going to like what I'm gonna say, but when you're an OW you just can't expect the same kind of break-up treatment that you can when you're dating a single guy. When a guy decides to go back to his W, she takes priority. Responsibility to you is an after-thought at best.

 

Is that fair to you? Nope, not at all. But that's the way it is, and if you don't like it, don't get involved with a MM. If you are involved with a MM and he dumps you rudely, accept your mistake and move on just like you would if the guy was single.

 

But if you're the type of has to resort to stalking, violence, or vandalism because you were dumped no matter why or how it was done, get to a therapist.

 

--

 

Just because your MM pursued and manipulated you doesn't mean Treatment did. Just because you're not crazy doesn't mean his OW isn't.

 

I agree.

 

Well I can't disagree with what you put above, not at all. But by the same token it has to be said, that if you're a MM who messed around with an OW out of anger with your wife and all of a sudden now it's inconvenient to be with her and you dump her, then yes, you deserve every little bit of crap that comes your way for being involved.

 

How come it's a story of 'if you knew he was married, you knew what you'd be in for and deserve what's coming' but somehow it's not 'if you were married and played around then you deserve what's coming'... eh..? He made a mess and yes it's unfortunate. And actually my first post on this thread talked about how it all depends on what lies he told the OW, her personality and how he 'let it go'... but he's so full of anger, and it's 'her issue' (yeah right) and she's a B*TCH... excuse me but no, it doesn't work like that. It's HIS problem. He just wants it to go away, and what's more the Infidelity Apologists arrived to back him up and say that the OW was 'preying' on him... excuse me..? I don't have a lot of empathy for that attitude, so sue me.

 

And to respond to your last sentence, my MM neither pursued nor manipulated me, neither do I feel hard done by. My decision, and NO, I wouldn't go and phone his house night after night, although if he'd been the ass that this MM was then maybe I would

[upto_here]

Like Treatment said, the woman lives 700 miles away and most of their interactions have been via email. It makes no sense to make a special 700 mile trip to dump an OW.

 

If it was single guy with a gf, then maybe. I know the OW aren't going to like what I'm gonna say, but when you're an OW you just can't expect the same kind of break-up treatment that you can when you're dating a single guy. When a guy decides to go back to his W, she takes priority. Responsibility to you is an after-thought at best.

 

Is that fair to you? Nope, not at all. But that's the way it is, and if you don't like it, don't get involved with a MM. If you are involved with a MM and he dumps you rudely, accept your mistake and move on just like you would if the guy was single.

 

But if you're the type of has to resort to stalking, violence, or vandalism because you were dumped no matter why or how it was done, get to a therapist.

 

Actually, she pursued him more than he pursued her. She started in with all the talk about the future. Yeah it was slimy of Treatment to go along with it, but she's a grown woman and she knew what she was doing.

 

 

 

Nobody said you should pity him. He's owned up to his responsibility. I'm just saying that this woman isn't an innocent victim. She knew he was married. She flirted with him. She asked for his email. She pursued him.

 

I'm sure Treatment did his share of manipulating. He admittedly led her to believe things that weren't true. But she seems to have done the majority of it. Based on the post-dumping games and manipulation she's done so far, I bet she did a lot more which Treatment wasn't even clued in about.

 

Just because your MM pursued and manipulated you doesn't mean Treatment did. Just because you're not crazy doesn't mean his OW isn't.

 

I agree.

 

:confused:what i'm saying is its not the offense on TREATMENT at all and i am not talking of an an ow....its the reality..now that he going tru...which he didn't like that..you said you have exchange email...for a while ..this woman boosting your ego..you except it its all in one way is it? as i may say....its take two to tango...!!!what she done its may be out of order but the only person who can solve this is you..treatment...

 

by the way SC when you said the ow should't have been involved with mm in the first place ...what about the mm if he already m why he looking for the ow in the first place? who to blame now?...concentrate on you solving problem first...that would be ideal...

[upto_here]

I used to think that women were gentle creatures, kind and quite different from men.

 

IS YOUR W A WOMAN? and she also not a gentle creatures,kind and different anymore?

[StaringContest]

How come it's a story of 'if you knew he was married, you knew what you'd be in for and deserve what's coming' but somehow it's not 'if you were married and played around then you deserve what's coming'... eh..? He made a mess and yes it's unfortunate. And actually my first post on this thread talked about how it all depends on what lies he told the OW, her personality and how he 'let it go'... but he's so full of anger, and it's 'her issue' (yeah right) and she's a B*TCH... excuse me but no, it doesn't work like that. It's HIS problem. He just wants it to go away,

 

I think you're misjudging Treatment. His tone has changed a lot since the OW showed up at the restaurant he goes to for lunch (even though she lives 700 miles away) and since she's been making so many phone calls to his house (even though he never gave her the number), which are upsetting his wife.

 

At first, he felt bad for the OW and even wanted to meet her face to face to tell her it was over (again). Her behavior pushed him to be this angry.

 

and what's more the Infidelity Apologists arrived to back him up and say that the OW was 'preying' on him... excuse me..? I don't have a lot of empathy for that attitude, so sue me.

In this case, I think the "Infidelity Apologists" you're referring to is mostly just me. I can see why you might not like that attitude, because you don't like all OW portrayed that way, but sometimes that is the way it is.

 

I'm not defending the guys I think you're thinking of. I'm defending Treatment who initially blamed mostly himself, came down on himself harder than anyone else was, and who's OW did pursue him. Sure, he could he be doing a "woe is me, help me with this crazy b*tch" act, but I don't think so. I believe him, and I believe he feels as bad about what he did to his wife as he says he does.

 

I agree with you that he should deal with the consequences, but he has the right to be upset about this, just like the OW has the right to be upset. But she doesn't have the right to interfere with his life the way she is. He's not interfering in hers. He just wants her to stop. That's not unreasonable.

 

And to respond to your last sentence, my MM neither pursued nor manipulated me, neither do I feel hard done by.

I stand corrected.

[BestAdvisor1]

Well well well !!! treatment...you had your answer ......i had read your tread !!! its all go in circle.. the blame ...isn't it....its all an excuse ,... i was wondering how you suppose to unsolve this? blame the ow more? i think you post here as you wanted to take your anger out in this....as the late opinion like wwiu said ...you can not blme all at the OW ...if you are in this mess its all our responsible we let everything happen ...you can't just said OH SHE STARTED IT I AM THE INNOCENT ONE DO YOU? OR YOU DID,TREATMENT?

we not try to give you a harsh time but just wanted you to realise ,and be responsibilities....i'm sure you had a heart....now i suppose its all anger inside you...thats things should have been smooth at home...but it didn't !!! true the innocent one like your w shouldn't have been put in this situation...good that you put an effort in your M ....its good for you i agreed ....completely..but what i try to open your eyes is that ...you must solve this problem...before its getting out of hand believe me ..people sane and capable are not the same...some do realise what they done but some didn't...we post here as it not the whole truth is it? you don't have to answer that ...only you know best...BE A MAN AND A GOOD HUSBAND ...CAN YOU DO IT.?..FOR THESE WOMAN SAKE...YOU OWN THEM ONE....ESPECIALLY YOUR W:o

 

Treatment, the above post should be enough to persuade you to go back to your orginal post in Infidelity and stay away from this post. You're not going to get the helpful advice you get from there and definately nothing insightful.

 

At least now, you should have learned that women who are willing to sleep with married man are less than desirable.

[StaringContest]

by the way SC when you said the ow should't have been involved with mm in the first place ...what about the mm if he already m why he looking for the ow in the first place? who to blame now?...concentrate on you solving problem first...that would be ideal...

 

It's absolutely wrong to cheat and anybody who does should take responsibility. Treatment has said he knows what he did is wrong, he feels bad about it, and he's taking responsibility. Maybe he didn't express that very well in this thread, but he did in the other one.

[frannie]

I think you're misjudging Treatment. His tone has changed a lot since the OW showed up at the restaurant he goes to for lunch (even though she lives 700 miles away) and since she's been making so many phone calls to his house (even though he never gave her the number), which are upsetting his wife.

 

At first, he felt bad for the OW and even wanted to meet her face to face to tell her it was over (again). Her behavior pushed him to be this angry.

 

In this case, I think the "Infidelity Apologists" you're referring to is mostly just me. I can see why you might not like that attitude, because you don't like all OW portrayed that way, but sometimes that is the way it is.

 

I'm not defending the guys I think you're thinking of. I'm defending Treatment who initially blamed mostly himself, came down on himself harder than anyone else was, and who's OW did pursue him. Sure, he could he be doing a "woe is me, help me with this crazy b*tch" act, but I don't think so. I believe him, and I believe he feels as bad about what he did to his wife as he says he does.

 

I agree with you that he should deal with the consequences, but he has the right to be upset about this, just like the OW has the right to be upset. But she doesn't have the right to interfere with his life the way she is. He's not interfering in hers. He just wants her to stop. That's not unreasonable.

 

Well perhaps he was very much more considered when the OW wasn't making endless phonecalls. But he hasn't been very considered here on this thread on the OW forum, where he was asking for input from OW. I haven't read anywhere where he feels bad about what he did to his OW. Actually I haven't read anywhere that he feels bad about what he did to his W either, though as I've said, I've only read this thread. In which not only did he call his OW a b*tch, but admitted that this whole thing was an act of anger against his W, who he has more or less admitted deserved it because she 'ignored him' and 'spoke inappropriately' to other men.

 

No, I've not been reading his words on other threads. But to be honest I've heard people say one thing or another to preserve face plenty of times, and Treatment's case strikes me as no different from them. After all, he's already admitted on this thread to 'telling his W the truth' and then 'not telling his W the whole truth' (for whatever reason). I'm not so easily taken in.

 

I just hope his W isn't either.

[whichwayisup]

Frannie, why don't you take the time and go read his other thread instead of bashing him. Anyway, obviously it was a big mistake for him to try to get advice and thoughts in this section.

[frannie]

In this case, I think the "Infidelity Apologists" you're referring to is mostly just me.

 

I'm defending Treatment who initially blamed mostly himself, came down on himself harder than anyone else was, and who's OW did pursue him.

 

I agree with you that he should deal with the consequences, but he has the right to be upset about this, just like the OW has the right to be upset. But she doesn't have the right to interfere with his life the way she is.

 

Just to reply to some specifics, SC.

 

No, I didn't mean you when I referred to 'Infidelity Apologists' actually you don't sound like that at all ... I'm talking about this whole attitude of 'well the OW knew what she was getting into' which yes, IS true on one level, but you have to take on board the fact that the MM is usually talking so much crap for his own gain... and here look, he gave her a birthday gift and he's now rationalising this as a 'goodbye, and thanks for all the fish' gift, and he's admitted himself this was ONLY in his own mind. We all know what he was talking. NO woman listens to a man who says, hi, my wife totally understands me, I'm an ass only looking for some ego massaging, and here's a cheap piece of crap you may take as a goodbye gift.

 

HE was using verbal and emotional manipulation to get her bought into his stupid idea (stated here earlier in this very thread) that his W didn't pay him enough attention, was giving the 'come on' to other men in a totally inappropriate way, obviously didn't care for him, woe is me, blah blah blah. And yes, maybe he did choose a loose canon... (we obviously he did) but that's totally on HIM. He shouldn't even have been stepping outside his marriage and taking up with someone else.

 

And good that he blamed himself for that. Because he is COMPLETELY to blame for that!

 

And I'm not saying he has no right to be upset about this, of course he does. But his W has even more right to be upset about it, because it was his stupid mistake. And no, of course the OW has no 'right' to interfere in his life, but you know... you play with fire and you are going to get burnt. And he came here looking for answers, and he got them. One of which is: the OW is a person, not a doll to be picked off a shelf. And when you pick a human being you're just as likely to get someone with as many emotional issues as you have as someone who doesn't care a jot if you ditch them after making false promises to them and buying them presents. Well you know... as I said before, you don't want any emotional involvement, hire a prostitute.

 

I'm not on anyone's side here. Just amazed sometimes at the arrogance of certain viewpoints.

[Treatment]

This is the last post I will make here but I would like to point out that my original question was merely what can I expect. It was not what should I do. Regarding anything else I said on this thread, it was actually in response to questions I was asked. I have answered those questions and taken enough of your abuse which is based on only your assumptions but not on the truth.

[frannie]

Frannie, why don't you take the time and go read his other thread instead of bashing him. Anyway, obviously it was a big mistake for him to try to get advice and thoughts in this section.

 

I'm not bashing him, I'm saying what I see. Maybe I'm being too hard on him and missing something, but I can't really see how a MM who gets involved with an OW because he's angry with his W, then breaks it off and expects her to disappear, then calls her a bitch, and I've seen no real remorse anywhere from him... nope... I can't see where there's anything for me to empathise with.

 

And yes he was completely wrong to post on an OW forum asking them how long it would take for 'an OW' to stop contacting him, if he didn't want to listen to actual replies from actual women who are OW. Could be a long, long time indeed. We've all seen threads from OW who haven't given up the ghost way, way on after the affair has ended.

 

And all I can say is: You were a MM getting involved with an OW... you should have known what you risked when you got involved.

[frannie]

This is the last post I will make here but I would like to point out that my original question was merely what can I expect. It was not what should I do. Regarding anything else I said on this thread, it was actually in response to questions I was asked. I have answered those questions and taken enough of your abuse which is based on only your assumptions but not on the truth.

 

Well I hate to repeat myself, but what you can expect is dependent on how many lies and views of the future you spinned to her, her personality and issues, and how you broke it off. Only you know the real answer to the question you posed. How can anyone else know those details... only you know.

[marlena]

Treatment,

The actual wording of your original question "How long can I expect these calls?" almost sounds as if you live in dread of them stopping. Correct me if I am wrong!

[IWALH]

You are wrong. Completely. And you do not know me well enough to say you know "men like me."

 

 

Hmm... based on one of your newer replies I just read, I don't believe I am completely wrong at all. Obviously she is reading this boards, you just admitted it. I still think there is a lot more to the story than you are letting on.

 

I know you as well as I need to based on your posts. I can definitely say men like you.

[IWALH]

 

No. in the end of the day I am NOT the one who started it in the first place. She is.

 

 

Oh wow... now with the preschool mentality of "she started it!!!"

[BlueEyedGirl]

Frannie, why don't you take the time and go read his other thread instead of bashing him. Anyway, obviously it was a big mistake for him to try to get advice and thoughts in this section.

 

WWUP always thinks that M must be saved at all costs. Doesn't matter what the H did, the moment he wants to save the M, it's all marrage counseling BS.

 

I completly agree with Frannie. I have read both threads and there are details in them that don't add up and are not consistent. It's even worse that he is trying to pass off as completly sincere. My guess is that W knew about this board for a while now and he is using it to showcase his dedication to the M:rolleyes:

 

Apprantly he recently said that OW tried to kiss him and he said no, a detail he never mentioned (and I really find that hard to beleive), and it was most certanly written for the benefit of the W.

 

I truly feel sorry for both women involved.