Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I found that several LS posters who claim they are very educated and don't believe in God are cold hearted and stone hearted and often throw sarcastic remarks, say whatever suit them and don't care what they hurt others or not, yes, they are quite educated, but heart is barbarian, at least this is what I see from this discussion board. maybe that is the result they don't believe in God, don't have Holy Spirit working in them. maybe they are hurted by others as well, and heart become harder and harder without cleansing those garbages out by God. maybe they lost hope and softness of heart, and think 'barbarian (strong survive) is the only way"? I've also seen many Christians say many nice things and do some very nasty things. For that matter, I've seen many Christians say nasty things. Not all theists will go to Heaven because ultimately, based on your beliefs, God will make the final judgement, regardless of the number of Hail Mary's you say. How do Christians know that the Bible is truly the word of God? How do Christians know that Jesus was the son of God? What if you believe that God exists but don't believe that Jesus was the son of God? To Hell you go, along with all the Islamists and Jews? What if Jesus was only a prophet? Does that mean all Christians will go to Hell for daring to believe in an untruth? Link to post Share on other sites
underpants Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 You see, This is why it is just easier to worship the devil. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 If you are an atheist, there is no Hell or devil. How much easier can it get? The funny part is that I'm sometimes a theist, sometimes an atheist and sometimes an agnostic. One of the unfaithful, I guess... Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I challenge you to find any hurtful, barbaric, atheist poster's remark on any LS thread not related to us being labeled barbaric! How the hell are we barbaric? If anything I would say we possess extreme compassion and empathy. We genuinely care and try to offer unique solutions to peoples' problems. There are MANY religious people on these boards who don't preach "all your problems will be cured if you accept the lord (scripture 5:16-2)" because they recognize the complexity of human emotions and problems is not something FAITH can solve. Perhaps spirituality can be a positive component of improving your life, but COGNITION of thoughts, family, friends, and MEDICAL solutions are often more relevant. Atheists are far from barbaric. We may not agree with religion, but to label us as having hard hearts.... I don't deny people have compassion and goodness in them. But there are also evil sides. do you deny that? do you think all people never did wrong in their whole life? I said those who attack, ridicule have a hard heart. and I admit I had one hard heart before got saved. we don't see our own sins because we don't compare ours nature with God's nature. when God's light comes, then we will understand how sinful human being are, and words of God is light In my own STRICT religious upbringing I was told I would judge myself when I went before God, that God doesn't impose judgment. In fact, God will judge. Did you read the part 'how the judgement will carry out when light comes"? in the thread of "seeing what God does" Considering religion as an institution is just that, an institution with rules that doubtfully reflects what God really desires No, what here I am talking about isn't about institution, I am talking about "personal savior", that you have the relationship with Lord, YOU (if you believe) are church of Christ, and institution is a group of people who have same belief, support each other, and carry out God's purpose I'm quite confident that people of any number of religions or even disbelief can sit before the Christian God and truly be repentant and be embraced into heaven. I've read all the scriptures, and my impression of Jesus is he would welcome all who were truly repentant HI, many people who believe in other religions already become Christian believers, and baptised by Holy Spirit. yes, they are embraced into heaven Did you read the "rich man who died and end up in hell"? he refused to believe in God and rejected God when he was alive, and when he was in hell, he wanted God to spare him and send a person to tell his brothers, but mose said "if you don't believe what the prophets said, then even if a dead man rised up to go to them, they won't believe either", again in that thread "seeing what God does" Truly repentance will save, no doubt, but not when they are facing God, that will be too late. if they rejected God's righteousness when God's words come to them for many times, they probably have no chance to go to heaven, because it seems like they repent out of fear, not because they truly love God and lights and truly sorry for their sinns. Can this point "we have sinful nature" get through your mind? goodness are comparable Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 What do theists call intellectuals who don't believe in God? For that matter, what do theists call anyone who doesn't believe in God? I don't know others, but call them "sinners"? we are all sinners, we are saved by only God's mercy and grace, not that we are good enough Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I don't know others, but call them "sinners"? we are all sinners, we are saved by only God's mercy and grace, not that we are good enough So Mahatma Gandhi is more of a sinner than you or any other true believer? Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I've also seen many Christians say many nice things and do some very nasty things. For that matter, I've seen many Christians say nasty things. Not all theists will go to Heaven because ultimately, based on your beliefs, God will make the final judgement, regardless of the number of Hail Mary's you say. How do Christians know that the Bible is truly the word of God? How do Christians know that Jesus was the son of God? What if you believe that God exists but don't believe that Jesus was the son of God? To Hell you go, along with all the Islamists and Jews? What if Jesus was only a prophet? Does that mean all Christians will go to Hell for daring to believe in an untruth? Only God's power can save, not our efforts, and Jesus paid the price for sinns of ours, He died and after that God sent his Holy Spirit to those believers who put faith in his son Jesus. Jesus is living now, he does miracles, heal disease, he reveals himself to those who love him dearly Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 So Mahatma Gandhi is more of a sinner than you or any other true believer? only by human efforts, yes, he is more righteous than me, but if he compares with God's righteousness, he is like filthy rag. if without God's power and Holy Spirit, he is a sinner alright Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 only by human efforts, yes, he is more righteous than me, but if he compares with God's righteousness, he is like filthy rag. if without God's power and Holy Spirit, he is a sinner alright So all the good he's done on earth is meaningless because he doesn't believe in God. So if he believes in God and doesn't believe that Jesus was the son of God, does that still make him a sinner? Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 So all the good he's done on earth is meaningless because he doesn't believe in God. So if he believes in God and doesn't believe that Jesus was the son of God, does that still make him a sinner? yes, still make him a sinner. I said only God's power saves, and it is God's plan, God sent his only son to us, if you don't love his son, then you don't love God. no matter how hard we try, we still can not match the righteousness of God. there are prophecies long before Jesus born about Jewish Messiah in many places in Bible, if you are interested, I can find that out for you. Jesus fulfilled every one of them Link to post Share on other sites
underpants Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I made a little joke and I apologize to any offended parties. While I do sometimes enjoy the pageantry of Satan I don't worship him. As far as all this other business goes. I am always left kind of exhausted from these types of discussions. If god, jesus, allah, buddha or dr suess....any of it gives you the strength to go on then worship it all you want. I think we all struggle with the good and bad that we each are capable of expressing. It is a line that we are each accountable for. IMO god nor the devil makes you do squat....you do. I think religon causes much more conflict then comradery. It is a real shame when messages that are based in good get used to conquer or manipulate the masses. I am going to go now and worship some lime sherbert. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 yes, still make him a sinner. I said only God's power saves, and it is God's plan, God sent his only son to us, if you don't love his son, then you don't God. there are prophecies long before Jesus born about Jewish Messiah in many places in Bible, if you are interested, I can find that out for you. Jesus fulfilled every one of them Sounds easy to me. All a person has to do is to believe wholeheartedly in the Holy Trinity and they will go to Heaven, regardless of the atrocities they do on Earth. So there must be a number of axe murderers in Heaven because they do honestly believe. Enjoy your brethren when you go to Heaven and I will lounge with Gandhi in magma pool #4, discussing life's little ironies... Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I think we all struggle with the good and bad that we each are capable of expressing. It is a line that we are each accountable for. IMO god nor the devil makes you do squat....you do. . exactly, human being is born of sinful nature, our flesh cause evil, and spirit is doing the contrary work Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 exactly, human being is born of sinful nature, our flesh cause evil, and spirit is doing the contrary work So you also believe in original sin. Where do babies go, when they're miscarried or die in childbirth? Where do those beautiful little flower faces go, if they aren't baptized, and they happen to be murdered by their parents or are hit by a car? Are they also lounging with Gandhi and I, in magma pool #4? Link to post Share on other sites
underpants Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 exactly, human being is born of sinful nature, our flesh cause evil, and spirit is doing the contrary work Explain this to me.... Did Jesus go to heaven? Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Sounds easy to me. All a person has to do is to believe wholeheartedly in the Holy Trinity and they will go to Heaven, regardless of the atrocities they do on Earth. So there must be a number of axe murderers in Heaven because they do honestly believe. Enjoy your brethren when you go to Heaven and I will lounge with Gandhi in magma pool #4, discussing life's little ironies... See? there you ignore what power Holy Spirit has and God knows people' s heart. God doesn't judge people like we do, God knows heart, we don't, sometimes we don't even know our own heart. God doesn't listen what we say, God sees directly into our heart, and he knows if our heart is pure or not, hypocricy or not When Holy Spirit comes and dwell in us, he will quicken the death of our flesh, cleanse us, change us from inside. A person who has Holy Spirit in him, is guided by Holy Spirit, and have healthy fear for God, so he don't and his heart will not alow him to continue in sinns Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 So you also believe in original sin. Where do babies go, when they're miscarried or die in childbirth? Where do those beautiful little flower faces go, if they aren't baptized, and they happen to be murdered by their parents or are hit by a car? Are they also lounging with Gandhi and I, in magma pool #4? they didn't get chance to receive or reject light of God, so I believe God has plan for them as well. the ones who rejected messages and light of God are the ones who in real trouble Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 See? there you ignore what power Holy Spirit has and God knows people' s heart. God doesn't judge people like we do, God knows heart, we don't, sometimes we don't even know our own heart. God doesn't listen what we say, God sees directly into our heart, and he knows if our heart is pure or not, hypocricy or not When Holy Spirit comes and dwell in us, he will quicken the death of our flesh, cleanse us, change us from inside. A person who has Holy Spirit in him, is guided by Holy Spirit, and have healthy fear for God, so he don't and his heart will not alow him to continue in sinns So, how do we know what is considered pure, based on God's perceptions? Let me guess, the Bible tells you. But...do you do everything the Bible tells you to, verbatim? Or do you interpret what the Bible says or do you believe what your Church leaders interpret what the Bible says? If so, how can you possibly have the arrogance to believe that anyone human can possibly interpret the words of God? Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 they didn't get chance to receive or reject light of God, so I believe God has plan for them as well. the ones who rejected messages and light of God are the ones who in real trouble Do you believe that Gandhi, in his belief of Hinduism, rejected the light of God? How do you know that Hinduism isn't the true word of God, but in his many aspects...kind of like the Holy Trinity...ya' know... Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 So, how do we know what is considered pure, based on God's perceptions? Let me guess, the Bible tells you. But...do you do everything the Bible tells you to, verbatim? Or do you interpret what the Bible says or do you believe what your Church leaders interpret what the Bible says? If so, how can you possibly have the arrogance to believe that anyone human can possibly interpret the words of God? I try to obey Lord. God sent his Holy Spirit to teach us secret of God, help us to understand what Lord said to us and what Bible teaches, again, it nothing to do with me, but everything to do with Holy Spirit and God's power, if you want, you can ask God for Holy Spirit as well , God give us according his mercy Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I try to obey Lord. God sent his Holy Spirit to teach us secret of God, help us to understand what Lord said to us and what Bible teaches, again, it nothing to do with me, but everything to do with Holy Spirit and God's power, if you want, you can ask God for Holy Spirit as well , God give us according his mercy You didn't answer my questions. Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Do you believe that Gandhi, in his belief of Hinduism, rejected the light of God? How do you know that Hinduism isn't the true word of God, but in his many aspects...kind of like the Holy Trinity...ya' know... because HOly Spirit direct my path Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 because HOly Spirit direct my path How do you know that? What if...in your humanity, you made a mistake and it's actually the devil, guiding your direction? Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 You didn't answer my questions. I think I did Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 How do you know that? What if...in your humanity, you made a mistake and it's actually the devil, guiding your direction? Devil will guide me to goodness and love and peace? I don't think so Link to post Share on other sites
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