God? or Mental?

[EnigmasMuse]

We all have had good things happen to us.

 

Do you believe, God, created those good things to happen to us?

 

OR

Do you believe that the good things that happen to us, was mental? And we brought them on ourselves?

 

 

We have all had bad things happen to us.

 

Do you believe, God created those things to hapen to us?

 

OR

Do you believe those bad things that happened to us was mental? And we brought them on oursleves?

 

 

I have heard many people who say they believe in God, when good things happen, but when something bad happen's they lose sight of God, and say a good caring, loving God would not let bad things happen.

 

I have also heard too, that most all things that happen in our lives, start out mental first. It happens mentally first then it can go from mental to phyiscal.

 

So especially when BAD things in our lives happen, is it that God has done it or have we created these things mentally with our thought processes? What do you think?

[IhavenoFREAKINclue]

We all have had good things happen to us.

 

Do you believe, God, created those good things to happen to us?

 

OR

Do you believe that the good things that happen to us, was mental? And we brought them on ourselves?

 

 

We have all had bad things happen to us.

 

Do you believe, God created those things to hapen to us?

 

OR

Do you believe those bad things that happened to us was mental? And we brought them on oursleves?

 

 

I have heard many people who say they believe in God, when good things happen, but when something bad happen's they lose sight of God, and say a good caring, loving God would not let bad things happen.

 

I have also heard too, that most all things that happen in our lives, start out mental first. It happens mentally first then it can go from mental to phyiscal.

 

So especially when BAD things in our lives happen, is it that God has done it or have we created these things mentally with our thought processes? What do you think?

 

Just goes to show you who REALLY believes in god (the people whose lives are on the right track) and those who only believe in him when things are great and not when things get sour.

 

Personally, I dont believe there is a god, whether my life is going good or bad.

I'm more of a realist, and the bible that people are "believing in" is a version of some king.

You don't think along the way "king James" decided to put his own spin on things

Also, if people truly believed in god, they would follow what "he" has written, no premarital sex, respect thy parents blah blah

And where the hell did this no meat on Fridays thing come about. I think King James didn't want to eat the wid boar prepared for him on a firday and declared it a religious belief...its all made up and all crap.

[EnigmasMuse]

Thanks for the reply, IHNFC. Do you feel that things that happen, good and bad is more of a mental thing then?

[IhavenoFREAKINclue]

Thanks for the reply, IHNFC. Do you feel that things that happen, good and bad is more of a mental thing then?

 

With out a doubt. Beacuse this God Cult has pushed this theory on peolpe since day 1, everyone wants so badly to believe it, that their mental state may actually make it come true. To me its like tylenol. You may think its working baecause you swallowed 2 pills and your headache is gone. But maybe its your brain wanting that headache gone, so it did.

[a4a]

You are responsible for 99.9% of what happens to you regardless of outcome.

 

there is a small part that can blamed by circumstance....

 

like being hit in the head with a coconut.... of course perhaps it is your own fault for standing under the coconut tree?

 

or you happen to buy the winning lottery ticket... but you chose to buy a ticket.

[riobikini]

EnigmasMuse, we've discussed this topic many times before -probably argued about it more than anything (Smile)- but it's always a subject of interest.

 

The closest I can come to describing how I view it is this:

 

On a recent TV show -something on AnimalPlanet- there was a group of people who raised baby monkeys that were on the verge of extinction, and which had become, somehow, displaced from their natural parent and had been rescued.

 

In the safety of the compound, women showed up daily acting as surrogates for these young animals.

 

In alot of cases, they were cared for and raised for up to about four years before being returned to the wild where their ongoing safety was not so certain.

 

In the environment provided by their careful and watchful "keepers" there was little doubt they would survive -virtually no risks were present.

 

When re-introduced back to their natural environment, however, life-threatening risks were just part of their everyday existence, again.

 

I think that's a good start with understanding at least some of your topic in this way:

 

Safety and security in our lives -the assurance that nothing bad (or even good)- is not guaranteed when going about the natural business of our everyday lives.

 

It can't be assured- because we have created the actual circumstances we live in ourselves, despite the fact we live in a world and universe that operates on principles that we didn't create.

 

That gives us opportunity to make decisions, be creators in a "co-existing" sense with what some only want to recognize as "nature"- but because of it, we aren't assured that we're going to get to live outside any risks -or as you put it- "bad" stuff.

 

Looking at it that way, I think your question might very well be (now) whether or not there is *intervention* of a Godly or Supernatural nature to keep us from running headlong into the very risks (or "bad" stuff) that we create.

 

And (Smile) recognizing the obvious lack of scientific "proof" I think there just may be, at times.

 

-Rio

[EnigmasMuse]

EnigmasMuse, we've discussed this topic many times before -probably argued about it more than anything (Smile)- but it's always a subject of interest.

 

 

Sorry. I probably was not present those days this topic was discussed. I don't fruquent this forum as much as the others. But like the porn threads, I'm sure its something that can discussed often.

[riobikini]

EM, -apology for my statement apparently making it sound as if this was a tired subject (it isn't, it's a very hot subject) -my choice of words in the beginning of my post may have been a little "off", but I hope you kept reading.

 

I am very open to the topic.

 

-Rio

[EnigmasMuse]

EM, -apology for my statement apparently making it sound as if this was a tired subject (it isn't, it's a very hot subject) -my choice of words in the beginning of my post may have been a little "off", but I hope you kept reading.

 

I am very open to the topic.

 

-Rio

 

It's ok Rio, no problem. I know what you were saying/meaning.

[quankanne]

Just goes to show you who REALLY believes in god (the people whose lives are on the right track) and those who only believe in him when things are great and not when things get sour.

 

then there are those who believe in him, period, and all events (good or bad) are attributed to him as blessings even if they ARE cloaked in something negative!

 

then there are those people who choose to finger him for all the bad things happening in the world, and say he's a "bad" God for not cleaning up these messes ...

 

incidentially the fish-on-Fridays thing is definitely hold over to the early Church, when someone (possibly a pope, who would have far-reaching influence on the people in the pews) felt that fasting and abstinence were a worthy sacrifice by men for the Ultimate Sacrifice made by Christ ... so it's mostly a tradition (small-letter "t") of the faithful as they join in the greater/universal sacrifice. At least this is what one little old Catholic lady explained to me!

[EnigmasMuse]

I have two different friends, who believe two different ways.

 

My first friend believes this way >>>>>

 

then there are those who believe in him, period, and all events (good or bad) are attributed to him as blessings even if they ARE cloaked in something negative!

 

-I think she relies alot on her faith in God, that he will carry her through things during good times and bad.

 

My second friend believes>>>>

 

then there are those people who choose to finger him for all the bad things happening in the world, and say he's a "bad" God for not cleaning up these messes ...

 

This friend sings his praises when all is well in the world, but rips him when things are not.

 

This second friend, also does others in her life like this as well. If you tell her something good, all is well. If you tell her something she doesn't want to hear or deal with, she will cast you aside and think you are out to harm her.

[quankanne]

This friend sings his praises when all is well in the world, but rips him when things are not.

 

This second friend, also does others in her life like this as well. If you tell her something good, all is well. If you tell her something she doesn't want to hear or deal with, she will cast you aside and think you are out to harm her.

 

this sounds less like a two-way relationship with God than it does a fair-weather friendship on her end of it!

[EnigmasMuse]

This friend sings his praises when all is well in the world, but rips him when things are not.

 

This second friend, also does others in her life like this as well. If you tell her something good, all is well. If you tell her something she doesn't want to hear or deal with, she will cast you aside and think you are out to harm her.

 

this sounds less than a belief in a relationship with God than it does a fair-weather friendship on her end of it!

 

I agree. But she does say she believes in God. Although, I would think if that were truly correct, she would believe when things are good and not so good?

[riobikini]

EM, I'd dare to say, I'll bet this friend of yours is always encountering the *same* sort of problems in her life over and over, again.

 

It sounds like she really believes when she believes -but she just can't seem to see that *she* is the one who is engineering many of her problems, instead of the Supernatural Being she always winds up becoming so disappointed in.

 

Also, blaming God (or whoever is handy) for tragic events, catastrophes, or social and economic crisis and problems around the world is pretty common -it relieves us of the responsibility of causing alot of them, ourselves, and makes us feel more "high-horse" and intelligent, which is a joke within itself, because if we were so intelligent in the first place, we wouldn't have many of the problems we're facing globally today.

 

It's also very easy to blame God for accidents, and other things unforeseen to us, instead of recognizing that we are living in a universe operating on natural principals, and that although supernatural intervention may happen at times, that it far exceeds our ability to understand the reason behind it.

 

This lack of being "let in" on when and why any loving God chooses to intervene -or not- frustrates us.

 

It makes us question the very existence, love -and reasoning- of such a God, as well as making us appear vulnerable to others and present as a laughing stock.

 

We wonder why this or that was allowed to happen -or why such an Almighty Being would choose not to intervene or act on our behalf- and in doing so, we miss the understanding, the life lesson -and even the kindness- sent our way, eventually seen in hindsight.

 

EM, I look at it this way: there will always be bad things that happen to people -good people, bad people, and ambivalent people in between- but how and why it affects us is crucial to every aspect of our personal, individual growth, adding to our understanding and the shaping of our character, and the development and maturity of our spirit side.

 

It is all balanced when you take a look at the good stuff that's happening -or that did happen, given time.

 

Things that seem unfair, out of balance, just plain wrong -even the excruciating things- can be healed in the course of the life of a person who *wants* healing -and to the extent that life is certainly worth living- a testament that happiness can be cultivated under any circumstances in time.

 

I hope some of this makes sense to you, it took years for me to even begin to grasp it -of course, only after I'd screamed at -and challenged- God a few times for not doing and acting as I thought He should.

 

But never doubt -it's an ongoing process.

 

(Smile)

 

-Rio

[lonelybird]

bad thing happens to both 'good' people and bad people:

 

even *good* people make mistakes. in another word, there isn't really *good* people in the earth, we all sin against God. maybe your friend failed to see this, so she didn't leave space for God to reshape her?

 

and God approaches an issue is very differently from us, we tend to see things with carnal eyes, too short to look far distance. But God sees and knows everything, He has good and long term plan for us. we are like a frog in a well, the frog think the world is the well, the well is the world.

 

or God allows somethings happen to us, He can make us stronger out of undesirable situations and bring us near to our destination. our charactor will not build up in smooth times, but rather our charactors will build up in difficult times.

 

and we are living in a fallen world. sometimes the bad thing happening is our own responsibilities, such as bad choices, bad decisions, disobediance to God; sometimes bad thing happening is others' sinful deeds caused us to suffer. but God will turn bad thing to good things in the end

 

I think "bad thing" or "good thing" isn't all in control of our mentality, or our mentality only can control part of things that happen to us. such as: Positive thinking do bring positive results; and vice versa.

about those things we cannot control, we can always pray, and ask God to take care of it, and we believe in God that every decision he made is the ultimate best for us:)

 

Most important thing is that there are invisible laws that control the universe, control happening around us. these invisible laws are commandments of God. If we do obey God, we are on right track, blessings hit our home; if we disobey God, we bring bad things into our lives by our own choices. so the more we embrace words of God, the more chance we can have a fulfilled and rejoice life here on earth. of course if you are an believer, you have Holy Spirit to guide you in all things, protect you from dangers, and change you from inside.

[EnigmasMuse]

EM, I'd dare to say, I'll bet this friend of yours is always encountering the *same* sort of problems in her life over and over, again.

 

It sounds like she really believes when she believes -but she just can't seem to see that *she* is the one who is engineering many of her problems, instead of the Supernatural Being she always winds up becoming so disappointed in.

 

 

Bingo Rio, this is exactly what happens.

 

 

Thanks lonelybird, I agree with your reply too.