annabelle75 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Enablers are still evil... but hey, I'm a Christian... I see things differently I guess, and I'm grateful for that. ...although we don't have to be so juvenille in our examples. I'm a Christian. Infact my father is a minister ... and I don't remember that part of the bible. If you think anyone who sins is going to hell ... well then ... See Ya There !!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra_X30 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Well, b/c if I did happen to have cared at the time, I would have been really hurt/devastated... don't I deserve a little common respect? Should we as people in a society respect each other? Don't you believe in common decency and the Golden Rule? Jinnah, I know what your trying to say here... but I am telling you straight... You cannot expect things from poeple that they have not promised you! You can expect people who give you an oath to keep it! Agree? Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Oh yeah I forgot that part in the bible that stated if you printed porn you will burn in hell. It's all about lusting after another person besides the person you married... that's in there. Link to post Share on other sites
reboot Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I'm not making light of your situation. Do you know why you made this decision?Uhm. Yes, I know why I made that decision, but to explain those reasons here would be a complete thread jack. Link to post Share on other sites
silktricks Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 If we accept that each person is responsible for their own actions (which surely we do..?), then how can an OW be 'to blame' for a man cheating on his W..? Or are you really throwing out completely the idea of personal responsibility? The OW is responsible for getting involved with a MM. She can't be held responsible for the actions of that man in cheating. That's completely on him. Exactly!! Each of us is responsible for our own actions. (I hate the word blame.) The OW is not to blame for the MM's actions EVEN IF SHE PURSUED HIM. Even if he would not have had an affair had the OW not pursued him, she is still not responsible for HIS actions, only HE is. If his wife is the worst person on the face of the earth, SHE is not responsible for his actions, only he is. BUT, the OW is responsible for her own actions (of having a relationship with a married man), and the BW is responsible for her actions (if she wasn't paying attention to her marriage). Personal responsibility is (IMO) what we need to strive for. Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra_X30 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I am a christian a big one to boot, did charity and everything. Who exactly is Charity?? Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I'm a Christian. Infact my father is a minister ... and I don't remember that part of the bible. If you think anyone who sins is going to hell ... well then ... See Ya There !!!!! Now you are twisting what I said b/c I didn't say what you are insinuating. You should know then that people have to repent... how can you do that if you don't see what you did wrong? If people aren't sure if they are wrong, read the Bible... it's in there... try lust... Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Now you are twisting what I said b/c I didn't say what you are insinuating. You should know then that people have to repent... how can you do that if you don't see what you did wrong? If people aren't sure if they are wrong, read the Bible... it's in there... try lust... ... and guarding your ear gates and eye gates... Link to post Share on other sites
annabelle75 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Now you are twisting what I said b/c I didn't say what you are insinuating. You should know then that people have to repent... how can you do that if you don't see what you did wrong? If people aren't sure if they are wrong, read the Bible... it's in there... try lust... I remember the part where it says Jesus Christ died for our sins or who ever shalt believe in him will go to heaven. Link to post Share on other sites
frannie Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 ... try lust... Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Jinnah, I know what your trying to say here... but I am telling you straight... You cannot expect things from poeple that they have not promised you! You can expect people who give you an oath to keep it! Agree? I will admit, Cobra, that as a Christian I have no right to blame anyone. God does though... and he will blame according to their deeds, and Biblically adultery and fornication are wrong... Biblically the MP and the OW/OM are sinning... period... end of discussion for you Christians... for the rest of you, I'm not sure I can help you. I do not say that sarcastically. Link to post Share on other sites
annabelle75 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 ... and guarding your ear gates and eye gates... sigh ..... poor crazy uncle mike ... let's say a prayer for him Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I remember the part where it says Jesus Christ died for our sins or who ever shalt believe in him will go to heaven. Right you are, Annabelle!! I'm happy to hear you say this. Again, I do not say this sarcastically. Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 sigh ..... poor crazy uncle mike ... let's say a prayer for him Dear God, please help Annabelle's poor crazy Uncle Mike, and please forgive us for judging him as crazy. Amen. Oh, you weren't serious? Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
frannie Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I will admit, Cobra, that as a Christian I have no right to blame anyone. God does though... and he will blame according to their deeds, and Biblically adultery and fornication are wrong... Biblically the MP and the OW/OM are sinning... period... end of discussion for you Christians... for the rest of you, I'm not sure I can help you. I do not say that sarcastically. What happened to 'judge not'..? We are all sinners, aren't we..? Or are you so sure you're going to get off..? So much gloating it's unbelievable. If you truly are trying to 'help' people, you're not doing much of a job... merely alienating... Link to post Share on other sites
silktricks Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Can we pullleeeeeezzzee get off this religion thing, or take it to the religion forum. There are a LOT of people who think adultery is wrong but are not religious. There are also a lot of people who are religious who commit adultery. And if you insist on quoting scripture how 'bout the one that says "judge not lest you be judged" ???? Link to post Share on other sites
annabelle75 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I will admit, Cobra, that as a Christian I have no right to blame anyone. God does though... and he will blame according to their deeds, and Biblically adultery and fornication are wrong... Biblically the MP and the OW/OM are sinning... period... end of discussion for you Christians... for the rest of you, I'm not sure I can help you. I do not say that sarcastically. And ... they will be standing right next to you at the pearlie gates as long as they have accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal lord and saviour. Sin is sin. We're all sinners and the lord loves us all equally as his children. Link to post Share on other sites
GreenEyedLady Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Did anyone here ask for any help? I don't remember that coming up... I don't need help...or I'll ask my MM... Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 What happened to 'judge not'..? We are all sinners, aren't we..? Or are you so sure you're going to get off..? So much gloating it's unbelievable. If you truly are trying to 'help' people, you're not doing much of a job... merely alienating... Frannie, I just said I have no right to judge... you quoted me saying it! Link to post Share on other sites
silktricks Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Jinx, Frannie:laugh: Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Can we pullleeeeeezzzee get off this religion thing, or take it to the religion forum. There are a LOT of people who think adultery is wrong but are not religious. There are also a lot of people who are religious who commit adultery. And if you insist on quoting scripture how 'bout the one that says "judge not lest you be judged" ???? Sorry Silktricks, it just got brought up... Link to post Share on other sites
Jinnah Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 And ... they will be standing right next to you at the pearlie gates as long as they have accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal lord and saviour. Sin is sin. We're all sinners and the lord loves us all equally as his children. Right you are! Just don't forget the part about the repenting! Link to post Share on other sites
EnigmaXOXO Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Why is the burden on a stranger? Shouldn't the burden be on the person who has sworn their life to another? A single hasn't sworn anything to anyone, yet they're held to a higher standard? It’s my responsibility to make sure that my doors are locked at night, and my alarm system is working. However, should I become careless or forgetful ... or encounter an intruder who knows how to bypass all of my safety precautions ... is it then MY “burden” (or responsibility) if s/he enters my home and steals from me? I would never walk into a strangers home and take from them. Or harm their family or children. So why shouldn’t I hope to expect the same common respect and courtesy from another? Would I be wrong to hold that person not to “higher” or “double” standards ... but to equal standards and treatment? And would I be wrong to regard that intruder’s invasion as a personal assult against my safety and well-being? And would I be “wrong” to seek some form of justice and compensation for the injury inflicted upon me? OR is the belief of some posters here that BURDEN of responsibility towards others should fall only on the shoulders of those who care enough to even have “standards” in the first place ... while the rest don’t have to give a sh*t. (???) Feel free to disagree, but it seems more often (in a good majority of these posts) that it’s those who “inflict” harm on others that are more guilty of holding those they injure to a “higher set of standards.” :confused: Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra_X30 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I will admit, Cobra, that as a Christian I have no right to blame anyone. God does though... and he will blame according to their deeds, and Biblically adultery and fornication are wrong... Biblically the MP and the OW/OM are sinning... period... end of discussion for you Christians... for the rest of you, I'm not sure I can help you. I do not say that sarcastically. Well, thats true! But you are not speaking for God in this situation, so you need to speak in accordance to your position in this world. See, here is the deal! By blaming OW for your husbands waywardness, your removing some of that blame from him! Oh, maybe you dont think you are... but by the mere fact that your thinking it... you are! I understand that it is a natural reaction... its hard to think that someone you are intimate with could do that to you! Link to post Share on other sites
frannie Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Frannie, I just said I have no right to judge... you quoted me saying it! Hmm, I quoted you as saying: "God does though... and he will blame according to their deeds, and Biblically adultery and fornication are wrong... Biblically the MP and the OW/OM are sinning" i.e. you're sinners, doing wrong, and God will blame you for this. That's not judging..? Link to post Share on other sites
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