To the guys....what is your ideal body type in a woman?

[BlueEyedGirl]

Restricing your calories beyond what your body needs is starving yourself. Not eating when you are hungry is starving yourself. If you are not anorexic or bulimic it doesn't mean that you don't have an eating disorder.

 

So there is some obscure study that said that restricting calories is linked to a longer life. I could probably find studies that tell you that chain smoking and binge drinking increase your life span too. However I can CERTAINLY point to a huge number of studies on dangers of restricting calories. You are doing yourself far more harm than good. Thinking anything else is just an exercise of self-delusion.

[spookie]

I think whether curvier vs. thinner is more attractive depends on the frame, build, and features of each person.

 

Myself, I know I look best as thin as possible (to a point I suppose). The thinner I am, the more attention I get from men AND women.

 

Too bad I don't have enough willpower to slim down to my ideal. I'm 5'8 and 135. I'd like to be in the low 120s.

[bigheartkindsoul]

Ha...i wish i had Kate Hudson's body...i don't, but it's what I'm striving for. She doesn't have a belly pooch. I do, and her love handles don't exist...mine do. Other than that, i'm happy with my body. i just want to get rid of the so called fattier parts.

 

She has absolutely no tits at all, great face but not very womanly. Looks a bit like a boy (body wise).

 

This is a UK show but Trinny & Susanah had a show the other week, basically saying all women fit into 12 shape categorys from bell, to vase, goblet, brick, lollypop, skittle - it was very interesting. Try do a google search.

 

They also did an experiment where they got 100 size 16 ladies to all put the same dress on too see how many it actually fitted properly, 1 lady out of 100. That was all and she was a plus size model, thus showing women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes with bumps in different places and that the thin/slim is not the norm.

 

What you also need to keep in mind as I have started too, is that celebs when you see them its normally in mags or red carpet where they have been fitted into a dress to make it fit perfectly, they prob have control underwear on underneath, they have heavy make up on and have expensice hair stylists to make them look the absolute best.

 

Not too mention they have personal trainers alot more time to be able to train and get fit than we with normal lives and jobs do, they have cooks who can cook the best tasting low fat/low cal foods for them. As well as the money to have every treatment going in beauty salons, there hair done everyday by a professional.

 

So just think if we had all that, if we had all day to exercise and tone up, yes we would prob look like celebs too, but this is not the norm, its just what unfortunately is shoved in our faces everyday.

 

And with stupid comments like Jenny L H is fat, for fcks sake the girl has some curves she is not fat, so this does not help matters.

 

Enjoy what you have, sure work on it, I certainly do but unless you are really unfit and overweight I would try not to worry about a few lumps and bumps.

 

Wow I have come along way to say the above as I was in the same place as you a little while ago.

 

xxx

[burning 4 revenge]

Here's one for you DTMarley. Is it even real ?

 

[Krytie TV]

At this point I'd take the breathing type.

[Citizen Erased]

At this point I'd take the breathing type.

 

Damn that I can't do

[lovelorcet]

I have found that normal is also determined buy the society around you. For example I grew up in the states but have lived in Germany now for almost 8 years.

 

When I go back to the states now I am, for lack of a better expression, shocked at how fat people are. There is a huge difference especially in the under 30 group.

 

Now if I go from Germany to Italy or Spain the norm is even smaller there.

 

I think this plays a big role in the taste for men at least. American men are stereotyped as being into big boobs where as here anything much over a C cup is considered ridiculous.

[Kamille]

I think whether curvier vs. thinner is more attractive depends on the frame, build, and features of each person.

 

Myself, I know I look best as thin as possible (to a point I suppose). The thinner I am, the more attention I get from men AND women.

 

Too bad I don't have enough willpower to slim down to my ideal. I'm 5'8 and 135. I'd like to be in the low 120s.

 

Hmm, Spookie, I don't know how your frame is built, but at 5'8 and 135, you must already be pretty slim. 5'8 and 125? You might not find certain things, like taking a bath, very comfortable.

 

I had body issues for awhile in my late teens (not full blown anorexia but still) and at the time I scaled my weigh down to 127 at 5'8 because I really wished to weigh 125 pounds, like the rest of my 5'4 friends. I started losing my hair, my periods stopped and those ribs on top of my chest that Tan was talking about definitely showed (And Tan, I agree, GROSS). Not to mention I lost boobs. When I look at pictures of that time, I realize how unhealthy I looked.

 

Why not just be happy with your current weight?

[shadowplay]

Restricing your calories beyond what your body needs is starving yourself. Not eating when you are hungry is starving yourself. If you are not anorexic or bulimic it doesn't mean that you don't have an eating disorder.

 

So there is some obscure study that said that restricting calories is linked to a longer life. I could probably find studies that tell you that chain smoking and binge drinking increase your life span too. However I can CERTAINLY point to a huge number of studies on dangers of restricting calories. You are doing yourself far more harm than good. Thinking anything else is just an exercise of self-delusion.

 

It isn't an "obscure study." Scientists have known for decades that calorie restriction has this effect on most animals across the kingdom, including mammals. It's also different from being anorexic because people who follow calorie restriction diets are extremely careful about getting their proper nutrients and maximizing the calories they do eat to their nutritional potential (can't say the same for most people on normal diets). Many of them go so far as to plan their diets with computer software to monitor their nutritional intake, etc. They're extremely health-oriented. I'm not saying this is for everyone obviously, but it's foolish to lump them together with "anorexics" and "binge smokers" given the nature of their diets and all the research to back up their claims.

 

From the wikipedia article on Calorie Restriction:

In human subjects, CR has been shown to lower cholesterol, fasting glucose, and blood pressure. Some consider these to be biomarkers of aging, since there is a correlation between these markers and risk of diseases associated with aging. Except for houseflies (below), animal species tested with CR so far, including primates, rats, mice, spiders, Drosophila, C. elegans and rotifers, have shown lifespan extension[citation needed]. CR is the only known dietary measure capable of extending maximum lifespan, as opposed to average lifespan. In CR, energy intake is minimized, but sufficient quantities of vitamins, minerals and other important nutrients must be eaten. To emphasize the difference between CR and mere "FR" (food restriction), CR is often referred to by a plethora of other names such as CRON or CRAN (calorie restriction with optimal/adequate nutrition), or the "high-low diet" (high in all nutrients aside from calories, in which it is "low").

 

I'm sure Cobra will back me up here.

 

Bear in mind I don't follow this diet. I eat a normal number of calories -- 1800 or so a day. I don't have the discipline to follow such a diet and I love food too much. I just eat less than I would unrestricted because I have a big appetite.

 

Anyway, sorry to the OP for getting so far off topic.

[dbtmarley]

Here's one for you DTMarley. Is it even real ?

 

 

 

I regret to say even I have my limits my friend. I like the butts big, but it can't impede their ability to walk. That is definitely allot of cornbread and blackeye peas right there.

[shadowplay]

I have found that normal is also determined buy the society around you. For example I grew up in the states but have lived in Germany now for almost 8 years.

 

When I go back to the states now I am, for lack of a better expression, shocked at how fat people are. There is a huge difference especially in the under 30 group.

 

Now if I go from Germany to Italy or Spain the norm is even smaller there.

 

I think this plays a big role in the taste for men at least. American men are stereotyped as being into big boobs where as here anything much over a C cup is considered ridiculous.

 

I agree. I've always been struck by how culturally influenced guys are in terms of what they find attractive. As I mentioned earlier, men in cosmopolitan areas seem to prefer thinner frames than men in the midwestern or southern US. Likewise, black men generally prefer thicker frames than white men because that is the ideal in their culture. I don't think there is any body preference that is really hardwired aside from perhaps the waist-to-hip ratio, but even that varies somewhat across cultures. If anything the deciding factor for guys seems to be what other people around them find attractive, not some preset ideal.

[Kamille]

I agree. I've always been struck by how culturally influenced guys are in terms of what they find attractive. As I mentioned earlier, men in cosmopolitan areas seem to prefer thinner frames than men in the midwestern or southern US. Likewise, black men generally prefer thicker frames than white men because that is the ideal in their culture. I don't think there is any body preference that is really hardwired aside from perhaps the waist-to-hip ratio, but even that varies somewhat across cultures.

 

Sorry to be anal, but when it comes to weight issues, I like precision:

 

frames cannot be thinner, they are what they are. small, medium, large. Unless severe dieting happens during growth, calorie intake has no impact on our skeletal frame. If one is big boned, they're big boned and there is nothing to do about it but to accept it.

 

So do you mean that you find that in metropolitan areas men seem to prefer women with smaller frames?

[shadowplay]

Sorry to be anal, but when it comes to weight issues, I like precision:

 

frames cannot be thinner, they are what they are. small, medium, large. Unless severe dieting happens during growth, calorie intake has no impact on our skeletal frame. If one is big boned, they're big boned and there is nothing to do about it but to accept it.

 

So do you mean that you find that in metropolitan areas men seem to prefer women with smaller frames?

 

Sorry if that was unclear. I was using the word "frame" loosely. I know weight doesn't affect skeletal frame. Replace "frame" for "build" in what I said.

[Cobra_X30]

It isn't an "obscure study." Scientists have known for decades that calorie restriction has this effect on most animals across the kingdom, including mammals. It's also different from being anorexic because people who follow calorie restriction diets are extremely careful about getting their proper nutrients and maximizing the calories they do eat to their nutritional potential (can't say the same for most people on normal diets). Many of them go so far as to plan their diets with computer software to monitor their nutritional intake, etc. They're extremely health-oriented. I'm not saying this is for everyone obviously, but it's foolish to lump them together with "anorexics" and "binge smokers" given the nature of their diets and all the research to back up their claims.

 

I'm sure Cobra will back me up here.

 

Bear in mind I don't follow this diet. I eat a normal number of calories -- 1800 or so a day. I don't have the discipline to follow such a diet and I love food too much. I just eat less than I would unrestricted because I have a big appetite.

 

Calorie restriction is not exactly starvation.

 

I worked with flatworms... and its 100% a guarantee that low calorie diets increase longevity!

 

I have seen studies that show a 50% increase in rat lifespans.

 

It's really simple. What you need to do is slow down the metabolism. It prevents rapid cell division which causes the genetic damage that we see as aging. I am not going into detail about how this works... its extremely complicated.

 

Now... seriously, I would say it is very hard to maintain a diet like that... so best bet is wait until we develop a pill for it. In the meantime keep your plastic surgeon on speed dial!

[sb129]

Spookie and Kamille- I am the same height as you (5' 8"), and I am about 143lbs, which is just right for our height. In fact, at a recent medical I came up as slightly underweight (!!)

 

I am a UK size 10 (US 6) on the top and a sz 12 (US 8) on the bottom. I am pretty well toned, fit and go to the gym regularly, and eat a normal balanced diet with the odd slip up here and there. (Wine/ choc etc) I must be at my ideal weight, because I have been around this weight for nearly 10 years, give or take five lbs here and there.

 

I could be slimmer I guess, but I FINALLY think I look good, WB thinks I look good, and I have never had trouble attracting guys. I also love good food and cooking too much to seriously diet long term, but I can't stand fast food or take-aways.

 

The only time I have seriously lost weight was when I had a nervous breakdown and went down to 133lbs. I looked TERRIBLE. I was skinny, and my face looked gaunt and sallow and I had big black circles under my eyes. At the time I was really pleased with the weight loss, but my head was ALL OVER THE place and I was a bit of a nutcase TBH.

 

I would much rather be happy and have the extra few pounds..... tried on a wedding dress today, and even if I do say so myself, it looked lovely.

 

Spookie- I am sure you look great. Don't lose any more weight!

[burning 4 revenge]

I love pale, skinny, physically weak looking white girls

[sb129]

I love pale, skinny, physically weak looking white girls

 

Where were you when I went crazy then?

 

Guess I got too much junk in my trunk for you now then. Gutted.

[stillafool]

What a question - there are so many variables as to what type of build a man likes. I suggest you diet and exercise your body to the what pleases you not some man. Also it's annoying how the media is using the word "curvy" when they mean "fat". Of course skinny women and fat women have curves. It just depends on where those curves and dips are located that makes one's body attractive.

[Kamille]

Spookie and Kamille- I am the same height as you (5' 8"), and I am about 143lbs, which is just right for our height. In fact, at a recent medical I came up as slightly underweight (!!)

 

I am a UK size 10 (US 6) on the top and a sz 12 (US 8) on the bottom. I am pretty well toned, fit and go to the gym regularly, and eat a normal balanced diet with the odd slip up here and there. (Wine/ choc etc) I must be at my ideal weight, because I have been around this weight for nearly 10 years, give or take five lbs here and there.

 

I could be slimmer I guess, but I FINALLY think I look good, WB thinks I look good, and I have never had trouble attracting guys. I also love good food and cooking too much to seriously diet long term, but I can't stand fast food or take-aways.

 

The only time I have seriously lost weight was when I had a nervous breakdown and went down to 133lbs. I looked TERRIBLE. I was skinny, and my face looked gaunt and sallow and I had big black circles under my eyes. At the time I was really pleased with the weight loss, but my head was ALL OVER THE place and I was a bit of a nutcase TBH.

 

I would much rather be happy and have the extra few pounds..... tried on a wedding dress today, and even if I do say so myself, it looked lovely.

 

Spookie- I am sure you look great. Don't lose any more weight!

 

Yeah I've been more at less at 145 for years and I love my body better at this weight then skinnier. I feel way sexier now then I did at 135. And when I think about which women I find sexiest, the funny thing is that they're mostly women who are about my size or even slightly shapelier.

 

Not saying that you should want to gain weight Spookie, just saying that you likely have no weight to lose and that you should take a moment to be happy about how you look.

[sb129]

Hi five! I think I feel sexier because I am so much more comfortable in my own skin, and am at peace with myself in my mind.

[Kamille]

Hi five! I think I feel sexier because I am so much more comfortable in my own skin, and am at peace with myself in my mind.

 

Hi five for sure.

You know what I love most? Being rid of the feelings that I'm at war with my body. My body and I totally made peace with each other.

[sb129]

Me too. Seeing myself in that wedding dress today was pretty cool.

Who cares if its not the smallest size?

 

I am going to blow Wonderboys socks off on our wedding day. And then I will blow something else (!!)

[Stockalone]

I have found that normal is also determined buy the society around you. For example I grew up in the states but have lived in Germany now for almost 8 years.

 

When I go back to the states now I am, for lack of a better expression, shocked at how fat people are. There is a huge difference especially in the under 30 group.

 

Now if I go from Germany to Italy or Spain the norm is even smaller there.

 

I think this plays a big role in the taste for men at least. American men are stereotyped as being into big boobs where as here anything much over a C cup is considered ridiculous.

 

What makes you say that? I have not once in my life come across someone who has referred to bigger than a C cup breasts as ridiculous.

 

And what C cup are we talking about? AFAIK the german and US bras are different, a german C is more like an american B.

[sb129]

Isn't the average British cup size a C? I think it is.

[jcster]

We like girls who look like they play sports few times a week and don't eat at Denny's at 2am after drinking 5 beers at a bar.

 

Sigh...and we coulda been so good together! Oh well, I guess I'll take another Boont and get me a Grandslam later.

 

Seriously, though - I can't imagine a worse form of torture than the type of thinking that is evidenced in some of these posts. All fat/height/bone structure/celebrity look-a-liking aside - the obsessive need to be viewed as attractive by the greatest segment of men based upon some sort of abitrary ratio is a recipe for pain. There are so many wonderful things in this world (including bacon and beer) that you are missing out on by filling your head with this tripe.

 

Go out and meet some guys and don't ask them if your a** looks big in your jeans! Life is too damn short to spend it worrying about your score-card.