Guys, Learn the GAME, join PUA community

[Blue Eyed Brain]

PUA is for game players not for developing a relationship.

 

If a guy plays a game and the girl is responsive, then she likes the person he is TRYING to be, NOT the PERSON he is. Anything based on this, is a failure.

 

If a guy likes a girl, he should ask her out. If she says yes, great. If she says no, then move on. It's really that simple.

[Green]

PUA is for game players not for developing a relationship.

 

If a guy plays a game and the girl is responsive, then she likes the person he is TRYING to be, NOT the PERSON he is. Anything based on this, is a failure.

 

If a guy likes a girl, he should ask her out. If she says yes, great. If she says no, then move on. It's really that simple.

 

this reminds me of the advice the lanlord gives peter parker in Spiderman. It went a little something like this "You just go up to her and say I good Man, You good woman... I think some of the pua stuff is great actualy, in the least its an entertaining read. If a guy likes a girl he should ask her out great advice... but some guys are just to shy to ask a girl out... pua stuff helps a guy get past that shyness. and even if a guys not shy, what do you say if you want to ask a girl out who you just were lucky enough to spot that day and shes sitting with a group of people... well pua material tries to come up for theories of what to do... The best advice is simple.

[yongyong]

You just go up to a girl and say you wanna hang out sometime? if she doesn't accept it then move on??? what the hell is this?

If she says yes, then she is just into your looks.

 

A lot of girls try to say 'I want someone with great personality' so they don't look stupid. maybe you are honest about 'judging the book by its cover' personality

[Green]

yong Ive having trouble following the point your trying to make

[yongyong]

yong Ive having trouble following the point your trying to make

 

I am not sure what you mean. do you mean you don't agree with me?

 

if you can share your story, that would be great.

[Green]

You just go up to a girl and say you wanna hang out sometime? if she doesn't accept it then move on??? what the hell is this?

If she says yes, then she is just into your looks.

 

A lot of girls try to say 'I want someone with great personality' so they don't look stupid. maybe you are honest about 'judging the book by its cover' personality

 

this specific post made no sense to me is all. you just go up to a girl and say you wanna hang out sometime??? was that advice on what to do... then you ask what the hell is this... maybe you were trying to point out ridiculouse advice...

 

then you started a new paragraph about girls who say they want some one with personality not to look stupid...

 

I just wanted you to clarify where you were going with this because I had no clue

[yongyong]

If there was some kind of interest between you and her, you should have the ball to approach her. (Last year around this time, I and this girl were making eye contact everytime we go to the class but I didn't have the confidence to approach her at that time. I wish I saw this community earlier)

I think it's the reason why ALL guys should know the PUA thing.

It's not worth it for every guys to pick up chicks on street. But what if you see the one whom you want to spend rest of your life with and **** it up? you should be Prepared for the Opportunity

 

If she was talking about just approaching a stranger girl and ask her out, it's like sales people walking around and asking if they want to buy it or not

 

There are many ways to build trust and comfort. Furthermore, if your appearance is not her type, you can change her view by showing your fun character. If you just ask out, all you have to depend on is your looks....

 

 

 

 

 

this specific post made no sense to me is all. you just go up to a girl and say you wanna hang out sometime??? was that advice on what to do... then you ask what the hell is this... maybe you were trying to point out ridiculouse advice...

 

then you started a new paragraph about girls who say they want some one with personality not to look stupid...

 

I just wanted you to clarify where you were going with this because I had no clue

[Green]

I dont know everything there is to know about the PUA community but what I do know is that you shouldnt just go around talking about it and its definetly not something you should be preaching to people on this site. You dont sound like youve reached a point in your game where you should be giving people advice either. The PUA community isnt that uniform either there are many different methods and guru's so u you should be more specific about the techniques u use.

[oppath]

You just go up to a girl and say you wanna hang out sometime? if she doesn't accept it then move on??? what the hell is this?

If she says yes, then she is just into your looks.

 

A lot of girls try to say 'I want someone with great personality' so they don't look stupid. maybe you are honest about 'judging the book by its cover' personality

 

No. If you've been establishing rapport, then you say "I've enjoyed this. How can we enjoy each other some more." That is what the poster meant by say you go up to her and ask her to hang out. No one is suggesting you cold call a girl and ask her that, first thing out of your mouth.

 

Yes, the PUA community is good for witnessing how to flirt with women and recognizing it is ok to push boundaries a little. It's great for overcoming approach anxiety. But it is not the end all. Most of the men who lurk on forums are unattractive and lack fundamental social skills, so they are always checking out the latest theory, buying the latest ebook, etc. I know a PUA who teachs for one of the leading companies. His advice: "don't spend any time on the forums. Once you've read a few introductory posts, spend all your time in the field, don't even bother with those losers on the forums. It's all the same product, different packaging, and you need more of a life than spending all your time plotting ways to game women, especially since so many men on their are bitter towards women."

[amerikajin]

If there was some kind of interest between you and her, you should have the ball to approach her. (Last year around this time, I and this girl were making eye contact everytime we go to the class but I didn't have the confidence to approach her at that time. I wish I saw this community earlier)

I think it's the reason why ALL guys should know the PUA thing.

It's not worth it for every guys to pick up chicks on street. But what if you see the one whom you want to spend rest of your life with and **** it up? you should be Prepared for the Opportunity

 

If she was talking about just approaching a stranger girl and ask her out, it's like sales people walking around and asking if they want to buy it or not

 

There are many ways to build trust and comfort. Furthermore, if your appearance is not her type, you can change her view by showing your fun character. If you just ask out, all you have to depend on is your looks....

 

I think it's okay to study some of the techniques that a lot of the PUA's use. After I broke up with ex-fiancee a few years back, I realized that even though I had been in a relationship that lasted longer than two years, I still didn't know jack about picking up women. So I started reading some of the articles on the Net. Most are not to be taken literally but some offer good advice. Even if you don't buy into all that they preach, there are some core lessons to be learned. One of the most important things I learned was that personality is more important than looks for ladies. Not to say that looks don't matter, but women can see past personality more than guys can.

 

At that point, I realized I wanted to learn more about what attraction really was all about. I can't remember her name but believe it or not, the best pick up site I've seen yet was written by a woman, not a dating or PUA expert. Basically, what it gets down to is that men have to be masculine -- that's what it's all about in terms of just raw attraction. The more masculine you are, the more female attention you'll get.

 

But it doesn't stop there -- you have to keep her. You keep a woman's attention by having character, and showing it to her. That doesn't mean being a doormat, that means by just being a good dude. Being a gentleman on dates. But being confident and assertive are key...because confidence and assertiveness are considered to be the essence of maleness. Sometimes a guy can look like a softy on the outside and yet still attract women because of the maleness he exudes otherwise -- his ambitions, his intelligence, having the right things to say at the right time, being fun to be around, being in control of his own ego and being a guy that people generally look to for answers. In other words, being 'da man'.

[Green]

good point PUA isnt the only way to get women... and I agree theres a lot of guys who say they r PUA but theyre just nerds who cant really get any women. Look practice makes perfect go out there and interact with the people, learn from your mistakes, stay posotive, have fun, and dont take rejection personaly and you should be able to figure this whole mating game out.

[cutegirl]

Are u guys familiar with "The October Sequence" to pick up girls? I did some reading about PUA's and apparently some men are even using hypnosis and NLP (neuro linguistic programming) to pick up women.

 

Check out the October Sequence or October Man premise, I found this online:

 

""The October Man basically links intense pleasure and all good things in a woman's world to you, the PUA. It then links pain, loneliness etc to the outside world - ie everything else in her life. You end up with someone completely hooked on you, sexually, physically, and emotionally. Some would call that cool, sane men would call it 'A stalker'.

 

The skill isn't just in delivering the sequence, it's in doing so responsibly - if that's even possible. To put it in perspective, the guy who taught me OM had dumped his GF a couple of weeks before. She responded to the rejection by trying to open a vein with a pen, right there in his lounge."

 

There's also the tactic of bringing down the girl who is a 9 or 10 by paying attention to her less attractive friend, or putting her down in some way.

 

I've been reading lots of PUA msg boards and it's very interesting. I think it makes me hate men even more though. It makes me think that for all men it's just a game and it's not a compliment if you get hit on/approached by a guy because for most guys its only a NUMBERS GAME. The guy is hoping out of 20 girls he hits on that you will talk back to him/give him your number, or whatever. I think it's kind of foul. It makes me want to be extra rude to the guys so they can go to their little PUA forums and ask "What did I do wrong blah blah"...

[halfarock]

I see a lot of guys asking questions from females

'does she like me' etc

 

It's better to ask guys......

 

If I ask girls how I should approach them

A lot of girls say 'as long as he is sincere and honest........blah blah shixs'

If you listen to them and tell girls how pretty they are, how much you think about them, you are fall in love with them, you will be treated like average guys

 

I recently found out that sales and meeting a girl is the Same thing.

 

you won't ask a customer about how you should close the deal with other customers. it's better to ask fellow sales person.(guys)

 

Guys, if you want to pick up girls, join the PUA community and learn the GAME. I know many girls will say 'you guys are disgusting' (totally bullsxit)

but think about sales people having discussion about how to close the sales. If you happen to listen to that conversation, you would feel bad.

 

So let's say if you are just honest sales man (like nice guy to a girl) but don't know how to present right (there's many sales tactics associated with psychology same as Pick up routines)

Do you think customers will buy from you just because you are ****in honest??? NO!

 

Do you know how it feels like when customers leave and go to other business who charges more and even have worse service because they are good at sales???????????

(it's like how a nice guy feels when he sees his crush with a jerk)

 

 

If you really want to know how to approach girls, what you should say and how to get laid with a girl you like, join pua forums.

 

Isn’t there a saying, “I’d rather my daughter grow up to be a prostitute than my son grow up to be a salesman.”

 

PUA techniques were developed with the idea in mind that the guy has very little going for him. Typically the PUA gets the girl by tricking her into thinking that he is more than he is. He then tries to have sex with her as soon as possible, before she catches on.

 

The irony of it all is that PUA products are marketed to guys who can’t get women. They are told that with a few techniques that they’ll get any woman they want. The selling is to guys, not to women.

 

All of the so-called pick-up gurus have the same story. They had all these problems with women until they started watching and learning from men who were good with women and turned their life around. It’s all typical text book con artistry. It is the same techniques used by those people who sell “get rich quick” schemes, motivational speakers, and some religions. It should be little wonder that those that get into PUA begin to treat it like a religion. YongYong is just ministering to the initiated like a good little disciple.

 

Quite oddly, the guys who they claim are so good with the women aren’t having meaningful relationships with any woman.

 

For the past few months I have been searching out PUA forums, trying to make sense of it all. You know what you learn on those forums? One thing that stands out is that apparently most men see women as far less intelligent than men, that apparently all women play mind games all the time, that they are all b!tches, slvts, wh*res, manipulators, and liars. Not surprisingly their biggest complaint is their inability to attract quality women. I guess the fact that they are all picking up the same drunken loose women that all the other PUA’s are having sex with doesn’t occur to them.

 

There was this one guy who was bragging about how before his time as a PUA that he only had sex, with a woman, only once, but after becoming a PUA, he had sex with 19 different women. Upon further questioning, it became evident that this was 19 one night stands. He is still clueless on how to carry on in a relationship, and doesn’t care.

 

I would never ask a salesman advice on anything. Typically salesmen are people with little skill, and even less knowledge with a one track mind to make a sale at any cost. Some of us know what we want and very much dislike having to deal with salesmen’s crap every time we want to buy something.

 

While all these PUA guys are sitting around talking with other guys on how to get women, I laugh because I’m sure I’m very good with most women who I encounter and got that way by hanging out with women, not men.

[cutegirl]

 

While all these PUA guys are sitting around talking with other guys on how to get women, I laugh because I’m sure I’m very good with most women who I encounter and got that way by hanging out with women, not men.

 

That's because a lot of men DON'T WANT relationships with women. I am not saying whether this is wrong or right, it's just the way it is. For guys who frequent the PUA boards it's to bang as much women as possible. For them, they already HAVE accomplished their goal/objective once they are able to hit a ton of one night stands.

 

I realize some guys want meaningful relationships but for a lot of guys it's all about scoring new women every night. I'm not a sentimental romantic person, so to be honest, I don't think there's anything wrong with having just one night stands either, whatever floats your boat.

 

I do agree with the PUA Boards having a misogynistic tone though. Not to mention the really shady tactics some men use which go WAY beyond just simple pick-up tips but stuff like using psychology tactics to destroy the woman's self-esteem and/or using tactics such as associating himself with all pleasurable sensations and the outside world ( called the October Sequence or October Man) with miserable ones which apparently has even led to suicide cases. Other guys will use hypnosis and stuff like "building linguistic patterns" and using subliminal messages to get a woman into bed, such as saying "below me" really fast so it sounds like "blow me" without the woman being aware of it.

 

And also the thing about hitting on the hot babe's (a 9 or 10) less attractive friends in order to bring the hot babe's self-esteem down. Way to go...

 

Be careful women, there are guys using neuro linguistic programming and hypnosis to trick you into bed. There are men all over the nation attending seminars to learn these techniques.

 

I wonder what percentage of the U.S male population uses these tactics or belong to these PUA forums? Would you estimate it's a small amount or what? What percentage? It's kind of unnerving, actually.

Edited December 27, 2007 by cutegirl

[halfarock]

If there was some kind of interest between you and her, you should have the ball to approach her. (Last year around this time, I and this girl were making eye contact everytime we go to the class but I didn't have the confidence to approach her at that time. I wish I saw this community earlier)

I think it's the reason why ALL guys should know the PUA thing.

It's not worth it for every guys to pick up chicks on street. But what if you see the one whom you want to spend rest of your life with and **** it up? you should be Prepared for the Opportunity

 

If she was talking about just approaching a stranger girl and ask her out, it's like sales people walking around and asking if they want to buy it or not

 

There are many ways to build trust and comfort. Furthermore, if your appearance is not her type, you can change her view by showing your fun character. If you just ask out, all you have to depend on is your looks....

 

I don’t know why you keep making this reference to sales. It is like saying that you’re not good enough so you have to sell (con) the woman.

 

Actually, when a woman, or anyone for that matter, sees you they see much more than just your “looks”. Everything you do reveals a great deal about how you are. Often just looking one in the eyes shows them to be confident or insecure, intense or laid back, if they are knowledgeable or clueless, honest or shifty, fun loving or serious…. By taking everything into account even your clothes, your walk, they way you move your hands, hold your head, comb your hair… you really can tell a book by its cover.

 

The thing is, no matter how hard you sell yourself to a woman, if you can’t deliver the goods, she’ll soon lose interest. The same cheesy routines won’t keep her interested forever.

 

As far as using women’s advice, I think you are completely wrong. In my early twenties I used to have regular conversations with this older woman. I always got the feeling that she secretly liked me far more than she’d ever admit. One day she told me that if I wanted to get a woman all I had to do was talk to her and she’d soon see how wonderful a guy I was and fall for me. It’s the best advice I’ve ever gotten. From then on, every time I’ve encountered a woman who I felt attracted to I just started talking to her, about whatever, never even thinking about, getting laid, getting her number or any thing like that, just talking. If everything goes well then there is always this mutual idea that we should get together again sometime. Overall I’ve been very happy with the women who have fallen for me.

 

After reading a lot of stuff that guys were writing on PUA forums and seeing their pictures, I keep coming back to the idea that for some of these guys that it is only natural that they not be able to hook up with women. It’s nature’s way of cleansing the gene pool.

 

If PUA programs worked as promised any guy could get any girl. You know that will never happen.

[Always Wrong]

Unfortunately, if you aren't being genuine with your "sales pitch", she might see through it and return the merchandise.

[halfarock]

I wonder what percentage of the U.S male population uses these tactics or belong to these PUA forums? Would you estimate it's a small amount or what? What percentage? It's kind of unnerving, actually.

 

I think that their ideas are creeping into mainstream thought. I’ve heard guys talking about using some of the PUA tricks without even knowing that there was such a thing as a PUA community. The actual numbers that actually buy the books and attend the seminars is probably a small percentage like 1% but still reaching a few million.

 

The guys that are really into it are easy to spot. Watch the vh1 series, The Pick-up Artist and see how those guys dress.

 

On the plus side, I’m sure that it is not nearly as effective as is claimed. On one site they had video clips to show that their system worked. In one video the guy got the girl’s phone number in less than a minute and a minute later she was all over him, kissing him. I showed the video to my girlfriend and her friends and to my daughter and her friends, they were unanimous in saying that they didn’t think it was real. Soon after I found another video with the same girl in a promotional video for that site and its products. The date on it was several months before the video where she was supposedly a random girl that the guy picked up

[cutegirl]

I think that their ideas are creeping into mainstream thought. I’ve heard guys talking about using some of the PUA tricks without even knowing that there was such a thing as a PUA community. The actual numbers that actually buy the books and attend the seminars is probably a small percentage like 1% but still reaching a few million.

 

The guys that are really into it are easy to spot. Watch the vh1 series, The Pick-up Artist and see how those guys dress.

 

On the plus side, I’m sure that it is not nearly as effective as is claimed. On one site they had video clips to show that their system worked. In one video the guy got the girl’s phone number in less than a minute and a minute later she was all over him, kissing him. I showed the video to my girlfriend and her friends and to my daughter and her friends, they were unanimous in saying that they didn’t think it was real. Soon after I found another video with the same girl in a promotional video for that site and its products. The date on it was several months before the video where she was supposedly a random girl that the guy picked up

 

Women can also play back read the PUA Sites and books so they can recognize the tactics when guys are using it on them. I have been reading the "player guide" at another site and their boards. It's very eye opening.

[Always Wrong]

Neuro linguistic programing? I've never heard of that. It's no wonder women aren't trusting anymore. There's a campaign being waged to conquer them as if they were an opposing country. Wow, I don't stand a chance. Things have changed so much.

[cutegirl]

Neuro linguistic programing? I've never heard of that. It's no wonder women aren't trusting anymore. There's a campaign being waged to conquer them as if they were an opposing country. Wow, I don't stand a chance. Things have changed so much.

 

Here's more about NLP... HB stands for "hot bitch"

article originally from Rolling Stones

 

"Speed Seduction as a practical application of NLP was about building altered states of consciousness in both the seducer and the seducee. For the guy, using various kinds of affirmations, the idea was to install in himself all manner of ferocity, playfulness, clarity, outrageousness and cockiness, no matter what kind of weenie-loser-geek, horndog or edge seeker he may have been before. Thus supercharged and in control, the guy then engaged himself in a singular mission: to capture and lead the imagination of the HB of his choice.

 

He might start by saying to the woman, "I have an intuition about you," which would perk up her ears - after all, he was talking about her favorite person, herself - and lead her from a state of presumed neutrality (the guy was probably not the best-looking guy in the coffee shop) to definite interest and intrigue. He might then offer to analyze her handwriting. Or he might tell her that she was a very visual person and proceed to conjure up images in her mind - deeply sensual images - by telling her metaphoric stories, stories that SSers called patterns. Full of sensory-rich descriptions, these patterns were cone structed mostly of so-called process language - vague, nonspecific wordings that allowed the HB's imagination to roam and that led the HB into a dreamy kind of trance state.

 

They were also full of sexual suggestion, with the typical pattern making liberal use of words like open, penetrate, come inside, surrender, below me (pronounced blow me) and your mind (pronounced you're mine). Each of the patterns had a name among others, there was the Discovery Channel pattern, the Incredible Connection pattern, the Peak Experience pattern and the much-loved, often-used Blow Job pattern, which luridly described eating a piece of chocolate and ended with the suggestion that "It's like an explosion of pleasure in your mouth" - and could be run verbatim, although the ultimate goal, for advanced SS students only, was to be able to make up patterns on the spot."

Edited December 27, 2007 by cutegirl

[cutegirl]

I still think the October Man Sequence is the worst though, it's like emotionally abusive and screwing with the woman's mind.

 

"The basic premise of the October Man is symbolism. The concept of symbolism in hypnosis is the idea of turning a particular feeling in a person into a symbol which is then manipulated. The symbol is anchored towards another person (the hypnotist) and this is further used in order to invoke certain feelings (pleasure or pain) in the person.

 

This symbol is the link into a person's unconscious. By controlling this symbol, it is therefore possible to control the person's feelings at will.

 

Concerns on the use of the October Man Sequence

 

There were some concerns on the usage of this seduction pattern. It is so potent that according to IN10SE, using this technique is akin to "bringing a nuclear bomb to a gunfight". "

[halfarock]

Most of these ideas/techniques have roots in marketing. Every time you turn on the radio or television, look at a newspaper or magazine, cruise the internet, look around anywhere in a city, someone is using these same tricks to entice you into buying their product, service, or idea. It doesn’t always work and tends to wear off rather quickly.

 

The whole using psychological tricks and hypnotism bothers me too. It pisses me off enough that if I caught some guy using it, I’d likely punch him, or give him so much crap that he’d wish I just punched him. I’ve read that only about 10% of the population is truly able to be hypnotized and those people tend to be on the low end of the intelligence scale. Probably another 50% are only somewhat hypnotizable. This means that the other 40% can’t be hypnotized. (I’m sure my figures aren’t exactly right but you get the idea.)

 

A lot of this reminds me of back when I was in high school and there were those guys that, at parties, would try to get all the girls drunk and/or high with the hopes that an impaired girl would let her defenses down and let him have his way with her.

 

If a guy slips a girl a date-rape drug and has sex with her then in the eyes of the law he has committed rape. I think that if anyone uses psychological tricks, hypnosis, or that NLP stuff for the sole purpose of having sex with an unsuspecting woman than that should also be seen for what it is, rape.

[lindya]

I’ve read that only about 10% of the population is truly able to be hypnotized and those people tend to be on the low end of the intelligence scale. Probably another 50% are only somewhat hypnotizable. This means that the other 40% can’t be hypnotized. (I’m sure my figures aren’t exactly right but you get the idea.)

 

I respond well to hypnosis, and I'm not on the low end of the intelligence scale. You can compare hypnosis with therapy in that some people will take a competitive approach towards a therapist/hypnosist, regard the process as a battle of wills and come out of it with a lighter wallet and no tangible benefits. Their primary aim having been to show that they can outwit the therapist. That's common with narcissists, I believe.

 

If you're undergoing hypnosis/therapy in order to improve certain areas of your life, then assuming you trust the hypnotherapist you will want the session to work - and you'll co-operate with the process in order to maximise the likelihood of it being effective. In that sense, people hypnotise themselves with the assistance of the hypnotherapist. What I've heard from people who have professional knowledge in this area is that you really can't hypnotise someone to do something they don't want to do.

 

Re pick-up artists trying to use something like hypnosis....maybe that would only be useful with women at the bottom end of the intelligence scale. People who didn't have sufficient knowledge of basic human behavioural theories to recognise that another person is attempting to apply pop psychology on them. Or perhaps it would appear to work with women who were already sufficiently attracted to the PUA to "help" him ensure that his techniques were effective. Much like the willing client works with rather than against the hypnotherapist.

 

Neuro linguistic programing? I've never heard of that. It's no wonder women aren't trusting anymore. There's a campaign being waged to conquer them as if they were an opposing country. Wow, I don't stand a chance. Things have changed so much.

 

It's similar to cognitive psychology. Positive reframing, expressing things in ways that are more liable to capture a person's interest.

 

I agree that some men are really irritating with these theories. They'll read some seduction manual and because their existing knowledge of psychology is so limited, it will all sound incredibly fresh and insightful to them. One book, and they think they've got an understanding of human nature to rival Freud's.

 

More realistic men will recognise the techniques for what they are: Ideas to spice up their approach to women and to seem a little more interesting...and hopefully they'll respect female intelligence sufficiently to realise that if the approach seems to be working well with a smart woman, the chances are that it's because she's co-operating with the game, rather than in some way being unaware of/scammed by it.

Edited December 27, 2007 by lindya

[halfarock]

Learn how to get women through PUA training and you end up sounding like this.

 

i boned this 9 last night. She wanted me after I got kino on about 20 diff females in the club we went to together. Anyway, she invited me in, gave me mo9re alcohol, I picked her up carried her into her bedroom, boned her to the point of no return ( her neighbors complained about the noise, her bed was fouled with squirt-age to the max).

 

So then, I'm laying there all elated and euphoric and she says "can you go get me some water?!".

 

I got the **** up, went into the kitchen, waited, drank some water myself, went back into the bedroom, got dressed and burned the **** off.

 

Don't be an errand boy and allow a b1tc4 to ruin your mellowness!!

PS now she keeps calling and calling... Next time I'm just gonna get her to jack me over her face then make me a sandwich.

 

This is the kind of thing super hot females dig, believe.

[Trialbyfire]

I don’t know why you keep making this reference to sales. It is like saying that you’re not good enough so you have to sell (con) the woman.

 

Actually, when a woman, or anyone for that matter, sees you they see much more than just your “looks”. Everything you do reveals a great deal about how you are. Often just looking one in the eyes shows them to be confident or insecure, intense or laid back, if they are knowledgeable or clueless, honest or shifty, fun loving or serious…. By taking everything into account even your clothes, your walk, they way you move your hands, hold your head, comb your hair… you really can tell a book by its cover.

 

The thing is, no matter how hard you sell yourself to a woman, if you can’t deliver the goods, she’ll soon lose interest. The same cheesy routines won’t keep her interested forever.

 

As far as using women’s advice, I think you are completely wrong. In my early twenties I used to have regular conversations with this older woman. I always got the feeling that she secretly liked me far more than she’d ever admit. One day she told me that if I wanted to get a woman all I had to do was talk to her and she’d soon see how wonderful a guy I was and fall for me. It’s the best advice I’ve ever gotten. From then on, every time I’ve encountered a woman who I felt attracted to I just started talking to her, about whatever, never even thinking about, getting laid, getting her number or any thing like that, just talking. If everything goes well then there is always this mutual idea that we should get together again sometime. Overall I’ve been very happy with the women who have fallen for me.

 

After reading a lot of stuff that guys were writing on PUA forums and seeing their pictures, I keep coming back to the idea that for some of these guys that it is only natural that they not be able to hook up with women. It’s nature’s way of cleansing the gene pool.

 

If PUA programs worked as promised any guy could get any girl. You know that will never happen.

This is the difference between someone learning a technique from a PUA forum and someone who actually likes and respects women, as another person.