So Jesus was a Capricorn???

[underpants]

I spent the day with a varied array of people from different belief systems.

 

That in itself is pretty cool.

 

I posed one question. That if Jesus was a Pisces, then why is his birthday celebrated in Capricorn?

 

I got some lame physics explanation that even that person could not deliver poker faced.

 

Then I got an explanation the Christmas was pre Christ a celebration of the Winter Solstice. Also that since Christianity was attempting to overtake Pagan rituals that they took over their holidays here ...and there.

 

That made a little more sense to me.

 

On a trip to Italy I saw some ruins where Pagan monuments were torn down to embrace/replace with Christian monuments. So the idea of adopting established times of celebration and tweaking the background made sense to me as far as a take over kind of thing.

 

Care to discuss?

[johan]

Whatever Moose says is what I'll go with.

 

Oh, and hope you had a great day, UnderPants.

[Jilly Bean]

Well, UP, I happen to be a Pagan, and yes, Paganism does pre-date Judeo-Christian religions, which is why there is a lot of misty mirroring in the holidays.

 

Pagans believe that Yule is the holiday that celebrates the birth of the Sun God, aka Winter Solstice.

 

Just about every holiday we have that celebrates nature can be drawn to a Christian or Jewish "modernized" version of the holiday. For example, Pagans celebrate our holidays around what we call the "Wheel of the Year", beginning with Samhain (sow-wen) on October 31 (our holiest of holidays and also Pagan New Year). On this day, we believe the veil is thinnest between this world, and the other world, and is therefore the best time of the year to contact those who have passed over. Pagans believe by lighting candles and placing them in hollowed out vegetables or gourds, it will act as a guide for those beyond to find their way home on that night. Hence the tradition of jack-o-lanterns. Additionally, as it is New Years, Pagans believe in dressing in the costume of something you would like to invoke in the coming year, OR, more traditionally to the Celts, that it was time for merriment and many witches would dress in masks and the such to play pranks on their neighbors and break out of the normal constraints of their society. Hence came the practice of costumes and playing "tricks."

 

I won't bore you with further details of all the holidays, but yes, your friends are right that the roots are found in Paganism for Christmas, and many other holidays.

[Nemo]

I won't bore you with further details

Neither will I.

[crazy_grl]

Then I got an explanation the Christmas was pre Christ a celebration of the Winter Solstice. Also that since Christianity was attempting to overtake Pagan rituals that they took over their holidays here ...and there.

 

This is a fact that you can find plenty of info on. The pagan people wanted to hold onto their previous holidays and rituals, so they relabeled them as Christian. Almost every current 'Christian' holiday has pagan origins.

 

That's why I don't celebrate Christmas. I just don't think God would appreciate the sentiments of the season when they're based on worship or other gods, seeing what He made the first commandment and all. Of course, I'm not going to try to stop anybody from celebrating it or tell them they shouldn't. Just giving the facts.

[Nemo]

Of course, I'm not going to try to stop anybody from celebrating it

Too late. Better luck next year.

[crazy_grl]

Too late. Better luck next year.

Umm... thanks...

[underpants]

I just don't think God would appreciate the sentiments of the season when they're based on worship or other gods, seeing what He made the first commandment and all.

 

You have to admit that the irony is delicious.

[Moose]

I posed one question. That if Jesus was a Pisces, then why is his birthday celebrated in Capricorn?

Jesus' birth celebration is actually an evolution of a pagan holiday.

 

The Church chose December 25th intentionally as a rival celebration of what used to be the winter solstice where gift giving was traditional.

 

I know it sounds under handed to do so, however, when you consider that Christ gave His very life freely to those that accept Him, to many that is the ultimate gift.

[underpants]

Jesus' birth celebration is actually an evolution of a pagan holiday.

 

The Church chose December 25th intentionally as a rival celebration of what used to be the winter solstice where gift giving was traditional.

 

I know it sounds under handed to do so, however, when you consider that Christ gave His very life freely to those that accept Him, to many that is the ultimate gift.

 

Wow,

 

I was expecting more of a fight from you.

 

Well Moose, Merry Christmas and Happy Winter Solstice to you.

 

My hope is that all faiths, beliefs, or non-beliefs can co-exist in a peaceful and rewarding way. I do have faith (by my own mantra) that it is possible.

 

Peace.

[Moose]

Well Moose, Merry Christmas and Happy Winter Solstice to you.

Back at you and yours, and all of LS!!

[JamesM]

Here is a link that gives a complete history of all Christmas traditions. And yes, Moose is correct as usual.

 

http://thehistoryofchristmas.com/christmas_history.htm

 

The exact day of the Christ child's birth has never been pinpointed. Traditions say that it has been celebrated since the year 98 AD. In 137 AD the Bishop of Rome ordered the birthday of the Christ Child celebrated as a solemn feast. In 350 AD another Bishop of Rome, Julius I, choose December 25th as the observance of Christmas.

 

There is many interesting histories of traditions on this site.

[Nemo]

LS never fails to satisfy.

[Storyrider]

If Jesus celebrated his own birthday in his own time, it would have been according to the Hebrew calendar, which is lunar. So his birthday wouldn't fall on the same day each year in the Roman calendar; it would vary.

 

That is why Hanukkah is different relative to Christmas every year and why the High Holidays sometimes come early, sometimes late, etc.

[Nemo]

Multiple times, even.

[Storyrider]

Multiple times, even.

Only on a really good year.

[Nemo]

Only on a really good year.

You just had eight inches, so stop complaining.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1463367&postcount=34

[Storyrider]

You just had eight inches, so stop complaining.

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1463367&postcount=34

Hey, this is a very deep thread.

 

Do any other religions celebrate the birthdays of their prophets and/or messiahs? In Judaism, for instance, we don't celebrate the birthdays of Abraham or Moses or any of those guys. The holidays are all more commemorative of events that happened to the nation as a whole or days of repentance, etc.

[johan]

Jesus' birth celebration is actually an evolution of a pagan holiday.

 

The Church chose December 25th intentionally as a rival celebration of what used to be the winter solstice where gift giving was traditional.

 

I know it sounds under handed to do so, however, when you consider that Christ gave His very life freely to those that accept Him, to many that is the ultimate gift.

 

This is exactly what I thought.

[shadowofman]

Of course then you have the Jesus Mythsist explaination.

As far as we can tell, Jesus, the son of god, is nothing but a personification of the sun. Much like Horus, Dionysis, Mythras, and many more.

The original date of Dec 22, the solstice, was concidered the death day of Jesus the sun. This is the point at which the sun is at it's lowest on the horizon, the longest night of the year. Jesus died on the cross because the Southern Crux constellation is also right on the horizon at this point.

 

The sun remains at this low point for three days until it begins to rise, or is resurrected. Assending back into the heavens. The ancient peoples (Egyptians and older) knew that as long as the sun shall rise there would be everlasting life on earth.

 

The story of the sun and star zodiac is a very old story that was simply written and rewritten, over and over, countless times, over thousands of years. The story has evolved to what we now know as the story of Jesus, but if you had heard the story of Egypt's Horus you would see the same plot points. From virgin birth, to epic battle againt Set(Satan), to death and resurrection.

 

Jesus was a pisces because he represents the age of pisces which began in the year 1 AD, and is the current astrological age or house. He came after the age of the Ram, which was a very common symbol in Judeism then and now. Jesus says in Luke 22:10, " And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in."

 

Here THE AUTHOR is refering to the end of the age of picses and the beginning of the age of Aquarius coming in 2150 AD. The man pouring water. It is a literary discription of the zodiac just as Jesus is a personifaction of the sun that travels thru the 12 houses with his 12 disciples.

[johan]

My hope is that all faiths, beliefs, or non-beliefs can co-exist in a peaceful and rewarding way. I do have faith (by my own mantra) that it is possible.

 

Peace.

 

I believe they will, Underpants. We just have to finish bombing some of the others, and then we'll get started on that.

[Nemo]

I believe they will, Underpants. We just have to finish bombing some of the others, and then we'll get started on that.

Even better - we can have many peaces.

[Quinch]

Mary: "So go on then, what is he?"

Wise man: "hmm?"

Mary: "What star sign is he?"

Wise man: "Capricorn."

Mary: "Capricorn, eh? What are they like?"

Wise man: "He is our messiah."

2nd Wise man: "King of the Jews."

Mary: "And that's Capricorn is it?"

Wise man: "No no, that's just him."

Mary: "I was going to say, there'd be a lot of 'em otherwise."

 

(Life of Brian )

[Moose]

Of course then you have the Jesus Mythsist explaination.

As far as we can tell, Jesus, the son of god, is nothing but a personification of the sun. Much like Horus, Dionysis, Mythras, and many more.

The original date of Dec 22, the solstice, was concidered the death day of Jesus the sun. This is the point at which the sun is at it's lowest on the horizon, the longest night of the year. Jesus died on the cross because the Southern Crux constellation is also right on the horizon at this point.

 

The sun remains at this low point for three days until it begins to rise, or is resurrected. Assending back into the heavens. The ancient peoples (Egyptians and older) knew that as long as the sun shall rise there would be everlasting life on earth.

 

The story of the sun and star zodiac is a very old story that was simply written and rewritten, over and over, countless times, over thousands of years. The story has evolved to what we now know as the story of Jesus, but if you had heard the story of Egypt's Horus you would see the same plot points. From virgin birth, to epic battle againt Set(Satan), to death and resurrection.

 

Jesus was a pisces because he represents the age of pisces which began in the year 1 AD, and is the current astrological age or house. He came after the age of the Ram, which was a very common symbol in Judeism then and now. Jesus says in Luke 22:10, " And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in."

 

Here THE AUTHOR is refering to the end of the age of picses and the beginning of the age of Aquarius coming in 2150 AD. The man pouring water. It is a literary discription of the zodiac just as Jesus is a personifaction of the sun that travels thru the 12 houses with his 12 disciples.

???? :confused: ????

 

Where in the world did this come from? The disciples asked Christ where He wanted them to prepare for the passover, and Christ told them.

 

I'd be interested to know where, (more so "HOW"), you came up with the above.......

[underpants]

???? :confused: ????

 

Dude....he just blew my mind.

 

With enough weed this theory makes alot of sense. As does the Life of Brian reference. (love that movie)

 

I think everyone should just worship me.

 

Goddess Underpants.

 

Let ye who is without sin cast the first wedgie.