Moose Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 This is an age old arguement by many if not all non-believers. I'm curious to know what contradictions are they talking about? Don't get me wrong, I used to believe this myself until I've learned to question my faith. And yes, it is ok to question your faith, in fact, we're expected to. So with that being said, just where are these? Are they being read in context? Has the genre been taken into account? How about the era in which it was written? Give me some examples..... Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGuy Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Both old and new testament? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 Both old and new testament?Sure, go for it! Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGuy Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Okay, one at a time so you can answer them. Genesis 5:5 (King James Version) And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 2:17 (King James Version But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster_DAR Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 How about? 1 of each animal were put on the Ark! Really! Not possible from what I understand. There's no way an Ark could ever hold with that much cargo, it would simply fall to pieces. There is no way a stead rainfall for the period specified could ever flood the earth over. Mary magically became pregnant Parting of the Red Seas, not possible by anyone unless they have magic powers Oh I forgot, Gods had magic powers back then, scratch the last one. Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGuy Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Mary magically became pregnant What about a married woman being a virgin? Link to post Share on other sites
converse02 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 How many stalls for horses did Solomon have? (a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26) (b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25) Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Okay, one at a time so you can answer them. Genesis 5:5 (King James Version) And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 2:17 (King James Version But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. I can answer this one. I'm not as knowledgeable of the bible as Moose is. Had Adam not eaten from the tree, he would of had a perfect and eternal life on earth, but he ate from it and he did die, meaning that he lost that chance at euphoria. Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster_DAR Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I can answer this one. I'm not as knowledgeable of the bible as Moose is. Had Adam not eaten from the tree, he would of had a perfect and eternal life on earth, but he ate from it and he did die, meaning that he lost that chance at euphoria. The argument is always going to be the bible makes no literal iterations. I expect the same type of answer for any questions asked. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 The argument is always going to be the bible makes no literal iterations. I expect the same type of answer for any questions asked. Cheers! For someone who has said time and time again that they do not believe in God or anything that the bible states, why are you always asking questions in regards to it? Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster_DAR Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Maybe I'm keeping somewhat of an open mind about it, perhaps someone will provide a means of changing my mind about my beliefs. So far, I have not seen or heard anything that has had an impact on my opinions. And for the record, I don't recall I said there was no god or supreme being at all, I usually state that I don't believe traditional beliefs of religion. Of course I've been know to contradict myself sometimes, especially when I've consumed alcoholic beverages. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Okay, one at a time so you can answer them. Genesis 5:5 (King James Version) And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 2:17 (King James Version But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.Riddler was close. The day they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they both died Spiritually. When Adam died at 930, that was his physical death.How about? 1 of each animal were put on the Ark! Really! Not possible from what I understand. There's no way an Ark could ever hold with that much cargo, it would simply fall to pieces. There is no way a stead rainfall for the period specified could ever flood the earth over. Mary magically became pregnant Parting of the Red Seas, not possible by anyone unless they have magic powers Oh I forgot, Gods had magic powers back then, scratch the last one.How about contradictions? You do understand what a contradiction is don't you?What about a married woman being a virgin?This was perfectly normal in Mary's day and age. (I'm assuming that is who you meant by virgin, or you're just trying to make light of this) In fact, a lot of women were most likely stoned to death after their honeymoon when their husband found out she had already been with another man.How many stalls for horses did Solomon have? (a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26) (b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25) Both. Forty thousand filled with four thousand for overflow. If you read both books as a whole, this is very clear Kings that the Forty thousand stalls where for his horses, where Chronicles is talking about the four thousand that he, "bestows".The argument is always going to be the bible makes no literal iterations. I expect the same type of answer for any questions asked.Ok.....whatever.... Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster_DAR Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 How about? 1 of each animal were put on the Ark! Really! Not possible from what I understand. There's no way an Ark could ever hold with that much cargo, it would simply fall to pieces. There is no way a stead rainfall for the period specified could ever flood the earth over. Mary magically became pregnant Parting of the Red Seas, not possible by anyone unless they have magic powers Oh I forgot, Gods had magic powers back then, scratch the last one. How about contradictions? You do understand what a contradiction is don't you? Absolutely, these are all contradictory of physics. But then I guess I should expect the next argument to be that God used to perform miracles in the eyes of humans, he just doesn't do it anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Absolutely, these are all contradictory of physics. But then I guess I should expect the next argument to be that God used to perform miracles in the eyes of humans, he just doesn't do it anymore.This thread is about contradictions in Scripture, I'd hope that from here on out you'd keep it that way as not to derail the thread. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Perhaps you could settle this age-old disagreement between the writers of the various gospels. Who reached Jesus' tomb first? Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I can understand Roosters position, I don't think he was trying to derail your thread. The bible contains many logical contradictions. But more specifically, I believe you were asking for instances where the scripture contradicts itself? Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Absolutely, these are all contradictory of physics. But then I guess I should expect the next argument to be that God used to perform miracles in the eyes of humans, he just doesn't do it anymore. Rooster, let me give you a link to read that shows how this is possible. http://www.gotquestions.org/Noahs-ark-animals.html While it is not technically a contradiction, it is one of those seemingly impossible things in the Bible. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Perhaps you could settle this age-old disagreement between the writers of the various gospels. Who reached Jesus' tomb first? Cheers, D.First, I have to clarify something in order for some people to understand. The 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are written from four different point of views, and to different audiences. Matthew, who's a Hebrew writes for the Hebrew mind. Mark, the travel companion of Paul and Peter, writes for the Roman mind. Luke, Paul's physician-missionary, writes with the Greek mentality in view. John's gospel is different because it's an interpretation of the fact of Jesus' life rather than a presentation of its facts in historical sequence. That said, the verses you're referring to point us to this: Matthew 28:1-2 Says Mary of Magdalene and the, "other Mary" were walking together to the tomb, The Angel of the Lord was already there. Mark 16:1-5 Says essentially the same, however The Angel of the Lord in Matthew's account is decribed as a, "Young Man clothed in long white garment". Luke 24:1-4 Says both women again, at the same time, but THIS time there are two "men" in shining white garments. John 20:1 Says that Mary of Magdalene was there early in the morning. I don't see exactly where the contradiction is that you're trying to expose. If you put it all together, the Angel(s) were there first, One of which was The Angel of The Lord. Then, if you would, both Mary and Mary of Madalene arrived at the same time. Edited January 10, 2008 by Moose Wanted to bold more text..... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Moose Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Mark 16:1-5 Says essentially the same, however The Angel of the Lord in Matthew's account is decribed as a, "Young Man clothed in long white garment". Whoa....I meant Mark's account......lol Link to post Share on other sites
swansong519 Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 God created Adam and Eve.... Adam and Eve begat Cain and Abel.... Cain killed Abel... Cain gets married... Where did she come from?? And if you're going to tell me it was his sister...and God was ok with that (which he/she must have been to not bother to create a female partner for Cain) I'd like to know why Christians aren't all shtupping their siblings if it is perfectly all right in the eyes of God. btw...did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? Link to post Share on other sites
ElvenPriestess Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Let's start with this one. It says the Torah shall not be added on to. (Old Testament if you wish) Then came the New Testament. Yep. There are a lot of contradictions of the old testament to the new testament. Link to post Share on other sites
swansong519 Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 There are a holy host of books of the bible that never made it into the final draft.... Thank you Constantine and the Council of Nicaea... If anyone is interested they should grab a copy of the Gnostic Gospels (also called the Nag Hammadi Bible...named after the area of Turkey in which it was found) and read some of the other books... Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGuy Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 This was perfectly normal in Mary's day and age. (I'm assuming that is who you meant by virgin, or you're just trying to make light of this) In fact, a lot of women were most likely stoned to death after their honeymoon when their husband found out she had already been with another man. I know that, what I meant was, in those days you were to be deflowered on the wedding night. How would a married woman still be a virgin? Why wouldn't have Joseph and Maria had sex? Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I know that, what I meant was, in those days you were to be deflowered on the wedding night. How would a married woman still be a virgin? Why wouldn't have Joseph and Maria had sex? Where does it say that Mary remained a virgin? Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGuy Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Where does it say that Mary remained a virgin? Well, she had Jesus as a virgin, didn't she? Link to post Share on other sites
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