Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Wow! Out of everything I said, you picked on 1 line? I was actually defending your point. Last time. I know you were defending my points.. but I got confused about 'your concern' I didn't quite understood what you were saying. Sorry about that. and thanks.. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Ya know, I use to really get upset about Lizzie's lifestyle b/c I am a BW but I'm to the point where I don't care. The only thing that concerns me is the BW and the children getting hurt when they find out, and they will, eventually. Lizzie is happy what she is doing and while I don't agree w/ her choice of lifestyle I'm done jumping down her throat about it. She is actually a nice person. But I do know that she will always post things that I don't agree w/ and of course I will put in my 2 cents. Here I go Lizzie... Sex w/ my H is as good, well actually BETTER than it was when we met 18 years ago. Sex w/ the same person all the time doesn't have to get boring, you can make if fun! Of course I look at other men and think they are hot, but my H is the only hot man I want to have sex w/. Our sex life is far from boring. There have to be some exceptions... some couples get better sex over the years but you have to admit that it's not the rule.. but rather the exceptions. Most men are cheating because of the sex... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 I was just wondering Lizzie..Why the chemistry is there with a mm and not a single one? AP:) No..no.. I never said I had no chemistry with single guys.. I do.. sometimes just like with MMs.. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 These points stuck out to me I agree that he is in the wrong because he is the one making the decision, but you are getting involved knowingly that he is already married and maybe has kids. That makes you an accomplice in the crime. This I disagree with. Part of being an amazing father is being a great role model and that is what he is not doing. Sorrrry.. but I have to strongly disagree here.. I know the ones I'm seeing are amazing dads... much better dads than a lot of faithful men out there. One of them is a scout dad.. I saw him yesterday for a short while. He takes his boys every weekends to outings (ski, scouts, pool, etc.) He is very close to them.. He attends the school PT meetings... His boys adore him... his wife is a SAHM... They're all great dads. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Sorrrry.. but I have to strongly disagree here.. I know the ones I'm seeing are amazing dads... much better dads than a lot of faithful men out there. One of them is a scout dad.. I saw him yesterday for a short while. He takes his boys every weekends to outings (ski, scouts, pool, etc.) He is very close to them.. He attends the school PT meetings... His boys adore him... his wife is a SAHM... They're all great dads. So you don't believe that a guy being a good role model for his kids is not part of what make a guy a good father? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 I totally agree with you Mr P... no married man that cheats is an amazing father.. he even lies to his children on a daily basis as well.. His kids will learn the truth one day and realize how bad of a father he has really been ( Been there did that msyself with my Dad ). and what do you think of those fathers who, after work, go out with some friends to bars, etc... or are just plain absent from their children's lives... those who are drunk most weekends, or plain alcoholics.. those who have no clue how to raise their kids... Do I have respect for them? Not one minute. I have more respect for men who cheat but are being extremely discreet and careful not to hurt their family... They do everything they can to make them happy. By being happy themselves, they are happier at home... That I am 100% positive. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 So you don't believe that a guy being a good role model for his kids is not part of what make a guy a good father? Of course every dad has the OBLIGATION to be a good role model.. but what you do behind closed doors is none of your children's business... this has nothing to do with them. Come on.. if you smoke, or drink.. are you a good role model? I don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 And as soon as the scouting organization finds out he's a cheater, they'll drop kick his ass. Well for your information, they'll never find out.. he comes to see me every few weeks and he stays for about 15 min. at the most.. during work hours (he's a businessman) so there is no way anyone can find out. We're not stupid. Link to post Share on other sites
OWoman Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 That doesn't mean that they see it from the same viewpoint as their father. Sure they may appreciate him being open about his choice of lifestyle, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they respect his decision or his choice of lifestyle. Just because he was open about it doesn't mean that he is a good role model for them. They've been discussing it in counselling. They're on side, fully. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Of course every dad has the OBLIGATION to be a good role model.. but what you do behind closed doors is none of your children's business... this has nothing to do with them. Come on.. if you smoke, or drink.. are you a good role model? I don't think so. So now hiding the truth from your kids is acceptable? Nice. You can try and make excuses for the MMs behavior all you want so that you don't feel bad for him or for what you do, but the bottom line is that his cheating does not make him a good role model for his children. FYI, I don't smoke and the drinking is kept to a minimum, but I don't have any kids. Link to post Share on other sites
BetrayedMM Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I want to clear up a misconception. Sex with the same partner gets much better and better over the years, especially if it's fantastic to begin with. There is absolutely no doubt of that. The longer you are with somebody, the better you are at giving them exactly what they want, exactly the way they want it. Amazingly, it turns out that works both ways. Those of you who have never experienced this should be glad you don't know what you're missing, because if you did, you would ache for something you can't have. There are relationships where this is not the case. They are the EXCEPTION, not the rule. You only hear about problems, because when there is nothing to complain about, nobody speaks up. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 I bet he would have been a good father just as much without the affair. The affair has nothing to do with the children. you can be a great dad. That doesn't make sense to me. Treating his kids with respect, having a sound, close relationship with them, caring enough to seek counseling, spending time with them, standing up to abuse - none of this required having an affair to catalyze, and it was probably already in his good nature to do these things. They treat their children with respect... they spend a lot of time with them... not all cheating fathers are jerks. some are even better than most. I don't believe he was "made" a good father by the affair; I believe he already was a good father, and was possibly able to remain one, in spite of his affair. Some I believe (honestly) can become better father while having an affair.. they are more happy.. therefore more happy at home. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 So now hiding the truth from your kids is acceptable? Nice. Huh????? do you tell EVERYTHING to kids.. no, I don't think so.. that would be bad parenting.. you have to protect them.. not make them miserable.. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree... No one will make me change my mind about this. I know my men. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I guess we'll have to agree to disagree... No one will make me change my mind about this. I know my men. Hopefully you don't get anyone to change their minds. I'm just saying. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 I want to clear up a misconception. Sex with the same partner gets much better and better over the years, especially if it's fantastic to begin with. There is absolutely no doubt of that. The longer you are with somebody, the better you are at giving them exactly what they want, exactly the way they want it. Amazingly, it turns out that works both ways. Those of you who have never experienced this should be glad you don't know what you're missing, because if you did, you would ache for something you can't have. There are relationships where this is not the case. They are the EXCEPTION, not the rule. You only hear about problems, because when there is nothing to complain about, nobody speaks up. Hum.. it might get better ...but you have to admit that it gets boring and robotic... been there... lol With all the cheating going up and up each year, I doubt they cheat because they have great sex at home... Sorry.. but I don't buy that. I'm not 18 years old you know.. Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 The affair has nothing to do with the children. you can be a great dad. That doesn't make sense to me. Have you ever just not gotten a joke someone told you ?.. Cheating isn't a game.. so that isn't what I'm trying to say.. but what I am trying to say is .. You don't get it...and it might take some time before it clicks in and you say.. oh.. I get it now... Sometimes when a person is involved in something they can't see because they are part of the problem... Link to post Share on other sites
JackJack Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 you have to protect them.. *And what are you protecting them from? Just curious. *Do married preachers comed to you too? I said preacher BTW, not priest. I don't think priests are married. Link to post Share on other sites
OWoman Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I said preacher BTW, not priest. I don't think priests are married. Catholic priests are required to be celibate. Anglican priests, and priests in other religions, can marry. (I'm not sure what Anglicans are called in America - episcopaleans or something like that?) Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 Don't bet on it. And if he only takes 15 minutes, maybe he's one MM who is telling the truth when he says his W won't f him. :lmao: No no.. they f*ck.. she just refuse to give BJ and he absolutely loooves it. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Huh????? do you tell EVERYTHING to kids.. no, I don't think so.. that would be bad parenting.. you have to protect them.. not make them miserable.. So you agree that if the kids were to find out that it would just tear their world apart? So its ok for the Dad to be selfish about it and go do as he pleases and disregard the kids feelings? They could find out you know and then what? Link to post Share on other sites
JackJack Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Catholic priests are required to be celibate. Anglican priests, and priests in other religions, can marry. (I'm not sure what Anglicans are called in America - episcopaleans or something like that?) Thanks. Thats why I said preachers. But to put it more simple, men of the cloth. Link to post Share on other sites
BetrayedMM Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 If it gets robotic and boring, it is all about receiving pleasure. The need to give pleasure is what keeps it interesting, keeps the creativity, adventure, and exploration alive. There is more about a woman's sexuality than I could ever hope to know completely, always new and wonderful things to discover. A lifetime is not enough to cover every single angle. I will never assume to know all there is to know about that, I am forever a student, with insatiable curiosity. And I am not talking kama sutra here, there is so much more to great sex than the simple physics involved. In that, I am lucky. Link to post Share on other sites
OWoman Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Sex with the same partner gets much better and better over the years, especially if it's fantastic to begin with. There is absolutely no doubt of that. The longer you are with somebody, the better you are at giving them exactly what they want, exactly the way they want it. That's certainly been the case with my MM, hence me forswearing all others and becoming sexually exclusive with him. :love: :love: :love: :love: Link to post Share on other sites
SerenityX2 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I want to clear up a misconception. Sex with the same partner gets much better and better over the years, especially if it's fantastic to begin with. There is absolutely no doubt of that. The longer you are with somebody, the better you are at giving them exactly what they want, exactly the way they want it. Amazingly, it turns out that works both ways. Those of you who have never experienced this should be glad you don't know what you're missing, because if you did, you would ache for something you can't have. There are relationships where this is not the case. They are the EXCEPTION, not the rule. You only hear about problems, because when there is nothing to complain about, nobody speaks up. Beautifully said!!!!! Bravo. ITA!!!!! I think the majority if not all would ache. Excellently said. And the deep connection that keeps growing as well. But there are those that'll argue that they have that stolen moments no matter how great is still an empty shell. What's being described is hollow...15 min??? please...that's not even a decent warm up I'm sure they're not all like that Frankly from the short while I'll pop in here I think that Lizzie enjoys the heated banter ...not to be taken too seriously on her end...I guess if it's working...I will say though, Lizzie you have one adorable dog. Link to post Share on other sites
BetrayedMM Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Yes little wallaby, now imagine a lifetime of that! Link to post Share on other sites
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