What to expect when the Wifey is getting BOOBS

[annieo]

tomcat, just because somebody doesn't agree with you means they think you are wrong, or are threatened, either by what you say or by boobs. Don't feel like you are being personally attacked and lighten up.

 

And to refer back a few posts to a question you directed at me, the reason I though about getting implants, despite my qualms about them, was because I have small boobs, I have sometimes felt like that it was akin to having a missing limb or something, living in this part of the world (North America).

For example, once when shopping and having a lot of trouble finding anything pretty in an a-cup bra, my mother in law (who can be a bitch) said, "Oh, poor you!". She was talking about my boobs, not my bra search. She, of course, is busty (and has short, stumpy legs lol!)

But then I came to my senses, realized that being tiny in the chest region has not affected my sex or love life, I get all the male attention I like, my h is not complaining, so why the hell bother. No pressing need. That's me. Other people have every right to make their own decisions.

 

But I do agree with you that this thread has gotten seriously sidetracked. Maybe one of us should start are own on this controversial subject. I would imagine that if OP has actually been following this, he's either amused or confused by the ****storm that has ensued. I suspect he wanted to know about post-op healing time, emotional stuff, and the best people to answer those questions are women who've had implants.

[Tomcat33]

tomcat, just because somebody doesn't agree with you means they think you are wrong, or are threatened, either by what you say or by boobs. Don't feel like you are being personally attacked and lighten up.

 

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I don't feel personally attacked in the least, if you go back and read how the posts developed you will see that every time I make a comment pro fake boobs someone pipes in to remind me of how great their little boobs are, :laugh: I don't understand why they feel this need to justify their liittle breasts to me I never said they shouldn't love them I just said if a woman DOESN't love hers then she is in her right to do something about it. I am all for this woman getting implants if it will make her feel more confident, apparently some women have a problem not only with those of us who are supporting that but with fake boobs as well.

 

I find it really amsusing really, and quite frankly I really don't care who thinks I am wrong, I am not trying to BE right, I am simply putting my thoughts out to this man who seems preplexed as to why his W might want to have them done and what will happen afte she does, not sure why some feel compelled to fight ME on my thoughts on why fake boobs are A-ok! in my books.

 

In all honesty I personally could care less about other women's boobs I have my "sacks of joy" and they serve my purpose and that's all I care about, if I had flat tits I prob might consider it if it got to the point where I feel less of a woman because of that otherwise I would learn to embrace my titties. Either way I don't really care what women do to their chests, I get enough attention from men as it is more boobs or "competition" is par for the course really.. Variety is the spice of life.

 

If my liberal stance on fake titties irritates some people...

whaddya gonna do?

 

Bottom line a person should learn to love themselves, if it means having to change something about them in order to achieve this because otherwise it has proven to be impossible, so be it. Life's too short to be fighting with yourself. Free yourself and the rest will all fall into place.

Edited February 14, 2008 by Tomcat33

[norajane]

this man who seems preplexed as to why his W might want to have them done

Is that what the point of this thread was? I thought he was asking what to expect after his wife had them done?

 

He said something about changes, and I remember asking what changes he was afraid of, and I don't recall him posting a reply to explain what his concerns were specifically.

 

 

ETA: Found his question -

 

My original question was; What to expect once she gets'em?

Edited February 14, 2008 by norajane

[Tomcat33]

Is that what the point of this thread was? I thought he was asking what to expect after his wife had them done?

 

He said something about changes, and I remember asking what changes he was afraid of, and I don't recall him posting a reply to explain what his concerns were specifically.

 

 

Well that was my interpretation since he did post that he was worried about the reasons behind having the op:

 

Just a little worried that she might change (love her the way she is now).

 

so to me it seems he is feeling insecure about why she is having it done.

 

It's in the opening post not sure how you would have missed that?

[norajane]

Owoman

Shrink? Dont you think that is a little extreme. Just because you do not like a part of your body does not mean you have to lay it all on the line.

 

We all have imperfections (mirrors dont lie) however, as long as it does not take over your lifestyle we're fine.

 

My wife is an MD and has done extensive research on the subject matter. If she wants to be happier with Bigger Boobs than more power to her. My original question was; What to expect once she gets'em?

 

Well that was my interpretation since he did post that he was worried about the reasons behind having the op:

 

 

 

so to me it seems he is feeling insecure about why she is having it done.

 

It's in the opening post not sure how you would have missed that?

 

He said she was having them done because she wanted to change the shape and "perk them". And then he wanted to know what to expect after. See my post above for his question.

[Tomcat33]

He said she was having them done because she wanted to change the shape and "perk them". And then he wanted to know what to expect after. See my post above for his question.

 

 

Yes I saw that, but "what can you expect after" can be interpreted many ways, one of the ways is how I did. If that is not what he meant I suppose that is what happens when you have a person make a comment that leaves alot of room for different interpretations and then does not continue in the throught process/or posting. Perhaps I misunderstood what he meant...but since he hasn't come back to post...(shrugs shoulders)

 

 

And I meant "why she is having them done" meaning is she doing it for more attention, to me it sounded like he was afraid of her reasons for wanting better boobs. Again my interpretation on little to go on.

[norajane]

Yes I saw that, but "what can you expect after" can be interpreted many ways, one of the ways is how I did. If that is not what he meant I suppose that is what happens when you have a person make a comment that leaves alot of room for different interpretations and then does not continue in the throught process/or posting. Perhaps I misunderstood what he meant...but since he hasn't come back to post...(shrugs shoulders)

 

 

And I meant "why she is having them done" meaning is she doing it for more attention, to me it sounded like he was afraid of her reasons for wanting better boobs. Again my interpretation on little to go on.

 

It doesn't seem to matter anyway - he stopped posting after page 2.

[whichwayisup]

He hasn't shared a whole lot so speculating and assuming what goes on in his head let alone in his wife's head is a mute point...I doubt he's coming back.

[Tomcat33]

Exactly he stopped posting and going on "what can I expect because I like her how she is now" can be interpreted both ways I see. I really thought he meant "can I expect my W to change in character" since he premepted it with - "because I do like her just the way she is" hence my comments...

 

oh well.... it was fun to see who hates fake boobs and who needs to push how great their real ones are :laugh:

[Tomcat33]

He hasn't shared a whole lot so speculating and assuming what goes on in his head let alone in his wife's head is a mute point...I doubt he's coming back.

 

 

 

Isn't that what happens in every thread anyway, people speculate on what goes on in the third/absent person's head?

[MakeItCount]

In fact I honestly don't think the woman in question really cares what any woman thinks of having fake breasts...to be quite blunt, as long as her hubby supports her on her decision I would think that's all that matters. So I'm not sure who you are trying to advocate to?

 

Don't be so threatened by it, they're only boobs.

 

Weren't you one of the people saying that women are the largest influence on other women? Hmm...

 

You seem to take parts of each post and warp/pervert it to support whatever you happen to believe for this 5-second period of time. Sad.

 

I feel a great deal more threatened by the vulgar and misogynistic attitudes of some of the men here than by anyone's silicon-induced credit card debt.

[Tomcat33]

You seem to take parts of each post and warp/pervert it to support whatever you happen to believe for this 5-second period of time. Sad.

 

 

I think my stance has been extremely consistent, if you don't get it feel free to ask me to explain what you don't get and I will explain it to you, otherwise my stance has not changed at all.

 

 

Weren't you one of the people saying that women are the largest influence on other women? Hmm...

 

 

No. What I said was this:

 

I agree women do tend to check out a lot and be more critical and scope other women more than men do,

 

Being critical of someone is one thing and being an influence on someone is a different thing altogether.

 

For example, I may get a lot of criticism on my points of views in this thread, but having that criticism actually influence me to the point of making me want to change my tune, is another thing.

Edited February 14, 2008 by Tomcat33

[JerseyShortie]

Agreed.

 

I have a feeling that if the title of this thread had been "What to Expect When Wifey is Getting a Nose Job" that no one would have said that rhinoplasty can cause death or that you should love the nose you were born with, etc.

 

 

Actually, I think it's a shame that Ashley Simpson has surgery on her nose. All she really needed was a make over from that grudge rock junk she use to wear. She was a beautiful girl before and she is still a beautiful girl but she totally took away or uniqueness. And that is what alot of plastic surgery is about to me. It takes away the uniqueness of who you are so that a person can look more commercial.

 

But I do think there is some sensitivity to this issue. If you had women going around talking about penis implants and masturbating to them to the degree men do with breast implants, you would have many men that would feel insecure with their "manhood".

 

It's a shame that we teach our daughters their worth is in the breasts. And instead of building the self confidence where it really matters and where it is really going to make a difference, the quick fix is to just cover it up, or add to it. I am sure getting your boobs done can make a girl feel prettier. But I am also sure that while they might feel better about their boobs, most girls are still going to be insecure about something else. The real problem isn't the small boobs or big boobs. It's the obvious lack of self worth women feel in today's society.

[Tomcat33]

It's a shame that we teach our daughters their worth is in the breasts. And instead of building the self confidence where it really matters and where it is really going to make a difference, the quick fix is to just cover it up, or add to it. I am sure getting your boobs done can make a girl feel prettier. But I am also sure that while they might feel better about their boobs, most girls are still going to be insecure about something else. The real problem isn't the small boobs or big boobs. It's the obvious lack of self worth women feel in today's society.

 

I agree with your last comment but I also want to point out that I disagree we teach our girls that their "worth is in their boobs" I don't know any parent that does that!! ??

 

I do think there should be more emphasis on teaching our children to love themselves just as they are. The problem is that all the teaching that can be had can happen at home but as soon as that child sets foot into school or into the real world with other children, kids will be more than happy to point out the inadequacies or "virtues" of others in the forms of

"teasing" and this happens as early as in puberty. When tweens start to develop breasts suddently those girls become the most popular in the class, and don't tell me you didn't see this growing up because if you cannot admit to that you are either lying or simply looked the other way. So how can this message not mark girls? And we can teach our children to overcome that but what a child feels when they are either praised wrongfully or put down wrongfully is that very simple message of "what is accepted and what is not by the masses" This happens at a very early age and it marks us for life making us who we become as adults.

 

 

So when children do something that is instinctually ingraved in their sexual patterns, some more overt than others, you have to take a step back and wonder what we are really made of.

[JerseyShortie]

I agree with your last comment but I also want to point out that I disagree we teach our girls that their "worth is in their boobs" I don't know any parent that does that!! ??

 

They don't do it directly, for sure, saying "oh your worth is in your breasts"...but how many women make negative comments about their own bodies, hold celebrities up to a certain standard, and say these comments infront of their daughters. Come on now. I have heard women say they don't understand why their daughter thinks they are fat, then they turn around and talk negatively about themselves saying they are fat, or they don't like their butt or their boobs.And how many daddy's also hold certain celebrities up to a standard of beauty, check out other women and make their own comments. Not directly to their kids about their bodies, but about others. Kids are very observant. Not nearly as dense as some would believe. And the little things and big things add up. And while you don't agree, that's fine. But I think women are taught that their value is in their ability to be beautiful. And with the photoshopped, surgery "enhanced" (oh and I use that term so loosly), many girls and women don't feel they are of value. It's really sad.

 

 

The problem is that all the teaching that can be had can happen at home but as soon as that child sets foot into school or into the real world with other children...

 

It's not something that will happen over-night. A parent leads by example and if a parent holds stead fast to what they teach their children, their children will learn from their parent. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree in many cases. And I think it's a lame excuse to say it's "too hard" to do this just because your child goes out in the real world. But unfortunetly, that is the attitude many people have so they never continue to have an open discussion with their children about this kind of stuff.

 

 

When tweens start to develop breasts suddently those girls become the most popular in the class, and don't tell me you didn't see this growing up because if you cannot admit to that you are either lying or simply looked the other way.

 

Maybe that was your experience, but actually I was one of the most popular girls and I have small breasts. I found the case to be that the most popular girls were usually a combination of being thin and had good social skills. Not who had the biggest chest. I knew quite a few big breasted classmates that were not popular at all. You're experience isn't wrong but either is mine. Where I came from, popularity wasn't determined by breast size.

 

Breast augmentation, in many cases to done out of dislike or insecurity for the woman's body. And while they might feel better about their breasts, that insecurity has now only been masked, not really fixed. And that insecurity will only be deflected to something else in her life.

Edited February 15, 2008 by JerseyShortie

[StartingOver07]

It's a shame that we teach our daughters their worth is in the breasts. And instead of building the self confidence where it really matters and where it is really going to make a difference, the quick fix is to just cover it up, or add to it. I am sure getting your boobs done can make a girl feel prettier. But I am also sure that while they might feel better about their boobs, most girls are still going to be insecure about something else. The real problem isn't the small boobs or big boobs. It's the obvious lack of self worth women feel in today's society.

 

I agree with some of this, namely that too much of women's worth in our culture is tied to physical appearance and not nearly enough to character. But I am not sure who you are referring to when you say that "we" teach our daughters that their worth is in the breasts.

 

While some parents may buy into the notion that worth is manifested through physical "beauty," not all parents fall into this trap. I happen to have two daughters and a son who care far more about what's on the inside and who are generally appalled by what they see in the popular culture.

[Tomcat33]

They don't do it directly, for sure, saying "oh your worth is

in your breasts"...but how many women make negative comments about their own bodies, hold

celebrities up to a certain standard, and say these comments infront of their daughters.

Come on now. I have heard women say they don't understand why their daughter thinks they

are fat, then they turn around and talk negatively about themselves saying they are fat,

or they don't like their butt or their boobs.And how many daddy's also hold certain

celebrities up to a standard of beauty, check out other women and make their own comments.

Not directly to their kids about their bodies, but about others. Kids are very observant.

Not nearly as dense as some would believe. And the little things and big things add up.

And while you don't agree, that's fine. But I think women are taught that their value is

in their ability to be beautiful. And with the photoshopped, surgery "enhanced" (oh and I

use that term so loosly), many girls and women don't feel they are of value. It's really

sad.

 

 

 

You make some good points and it's true inadvertently we do make comments and do things that can affect our children's perception. But once that child sets foot outside of the familial compound, they are subjected to the criticisms and standards set by their peers.

And no one is saying "oh forget it, it's too hard to teach our children to see the inner beauty when they will be faced with superficial notions once they face the real world" no not at all saying that, what I said was that regardless how much hard work a parent can put

into reassuring their children that they are better for what they carry on the inside, there is a whole world out there just waiting to prove otherwise. Some kids get picked on

more than others and it usually has to do with physical inadequacies, kids tend to spot the physical imperfections and all it takes is one child who was not taught that bullying is wrong to get the ball rolling. A group of kids who allow themselves to be peer pressured

into verbal abusing to form a camaraderie with the bullies in order to avoid being picked on themselves or because it feels "good", is all the support a bully/or wise guy needs. This is how mob mentality is formed.

 

On a much deeper level though and strictly from an instinctual or animalistic point, physical beauty is something that all human beings can appreciate because we process what we see in our brains and it produces a pleasurable response when we see something we like this is called "sexual response". Also from and anthropological stand point a human being will alter its body and adorn it in ways that will separate us from the non-humans. So instinctually we are already predisposed to make adjustments to our bodies in order to stand out from the rest and fit in amongst our species.

 

Maybe that was your experience, but actually I was one of the most popular girls

and I have small breasts. I found the case to be that the most popular girls were usually

a combination of being thin and had good social skills. Not who had the biggest chest. I

knew quite a few big breasted classmates that were not popular at all. You're experience

isn't wrong but either is mine. Where I came from, popularity wasn't determined by breast

size.

 

It's ironic that in the same sentence that you see my comment about how girls that developed breasts faster suddenly became more popular amongst other schoolchildren, and it made you laugh so hard it brought tears to your eyes, you also proceeded to tell me that

it was not at all your experience since in your childhood the popular girls were the thin outgoing ones. In that comment you failed to see that all you did was yousubstituted one body image/attribute that is praised, by another. So in effect we are actually agreeing

that at that very early stage of the adult development, kids already place a huge weight on physical beauty .The fact you traded in my "big boob" comment for your "being thin" one to demonstrate what is deemed as popular, is irrelevant. The point is kids see what they

like and they praise it. The topic in this thread happens to revolve around big boobs, but it's all interchangable really.

 

On the same tokne I could also argue that being thin is not necessarily more attractive and that despite what is being to us by no means is there a direct correlation between being thin/or muscular and being healthy. But one does look better than the other we just can't explain why. Our current society has become obssesed with muscles and a toned physique hiding under the pretext that it is natural and therefore healthy to be thin or toned and muscular, when in fact it fails to recognize that in order to achieve that type of physique it takes an unnaturally enomrous amount of time spent at the gym, and the type of food intake and

diet (if you can even call it that )it takes to achieve that look is not natural or healthy for some at all.

 

We should question the true health benefits of aiming at something that is so mechanically orchestrated just because the end result is esthetically pleasing yet we don't. We all go to the gym and we all diet and we all do what we have to achieve that look and no questions asked. Is that not insecurity driving us? Is that not the need to be accepted and ultimately loved what is driving us? You can lead a very healthy lifestyle in diet and activity level and not be thin or muscular and yet people would dismiss you for being unfit if couldn't prove you were either one of those.

 

 

Breast augmentation, in many cases to done out of dislike or insecurity for the

woman's body. And while they might feel better about their breasts, that insecurity has

now only been masked, not really fixed. And that insecurity will only be deflected to

something else in her life.

 

It is ALWAYS done out of insecurity I don't know why people keep insisting on pointing that out as if there were any argument on that point. But the question I have to those that keep bringing this point up as if to say "look at how negative this is" is: do you think having and insecurity is normal or abnormal? And is to do something about it also abnormal?

 

Insecurity is something that is within ALL of us, it doesn't matter on what level and over what but we all feel insecure over one thing or another. You keep mentioning it as if it is some huge revelation that human beings have insecurities and hence would want to do

something as extreme as change something they dislike about themselves. But I just don't see how our world would n evolve and progress if people didn't feel a

drive for improvement. The thing is though that wanting to improve oneself in the physical regard is looked down upon by some and trying to improve one self in the intellectual or spiritual aspect is not. But are they not ALL integral parts of our being? the spiritual,

intellectual and body that is... So why only accept one and not the other?

Edited February 15, 2008 by Tomcat33

[norajane]

I agree with some of this, namely that too much of women's worth in our culture is tied to physical appearance and not nearly enough to character. But I am not sure who you are referring to when you say that "we" teach our daughters that their worth is in the breasts.

 

While some parents may buy into the notion that worth is manifested through physical "beauty," not all parents fall into this trap. I happen to have two daughters and a son who care far more about what's on the inside and who are generally appalled by what they see in the popular culture.

 

I don't think children/teens really look to their parents for guidance on what is attractive. Girls look to the boys...they know what boys find attractive because they see who the boys are paying attention to, and boys see who the girls find attractive. The cycle perpetuates itself with the parents' opinions meaning virtually nothing since it's not the parents the teens are hoping to impress.

[StartingOver07]

I don't think children/teens really look to their parents for guidance on what is attractive. Girls look to the boys...they know what boys find attractive because they see who the boys are paying attention to, and boys see who the girls find attractive. The cycle perpetuates itself with the parents' opinions meaning virtually nothing since it's not the parents the teens are hoping to impress.

 

I would have agreed with this once. But as I watch my kids grow up (they are 15, 13 and 9), I am ever amazed at how many cultural norms they have shrugged off. The older two in particular seek out those who share their "world view" and eschew those who care about what is currently hot/trendy/sexy/whatever.

 

So while it may be true that kids don't look to parents for what constitutes beauty (I am not sure about this), I do think that the value system in which kids are brought up plays a tremendous role in how they perceive the world and their own character.

[StartingOver07]

It is ALWAYS done out of insecurity I don't know why people keep insisting on pointing that out as if there were any argument on that point. But the question I have to those that keep bringing this point up as if to say "look at how negative this is" is: do you think having and insecurity is normal or abnormal? And is to do something about it also abnormal?

 

I think insecurity is normal (although it can go overboard and be excessive, just like anything else). When I was in my late 20's I was embarrassed by my teeth so I got braces. I am now much more secure about my smile. How is that any different than if I'd had my breasts enlarged? There was a part of my body I didn't like, so I changed it.

 

I'm willing to bet that few, if any, will berate me for my choice to straighten my teeth, but if I said I wanted implants because I was embarrassed by my breasts, I'd likely be told that my motives were wrong and to learn to love them as is.

[angie2443]

I think insecurity is normal (although it can go overboard and be excessive, just like anything else). When I was in my late 20's I was embarrassed by my teeth so I got braces. I am now much more secure about my smile. How is that any different than if I'd had my breasts enlarged? There was a part of my body I didn't like, so I changed it.

 

I'm willing to bet that few, if any, will berate me for my choice to straighten my teeth, but if I said I wanted implants because I was embarrassed by my breasts, I'd likely be told that my motives were wrong and to learn to love them as is.

 

 

I had braces also, but I would not compare that to getting a boob job! To get a boob job, you have to go under the knife. There are many more complications witch may occur with a boob job as opposed to getting braces.

 

I would just like to add to this conservation by saying, as a person whose been a size b (when I was a teenager and skinny) to a full c (when I gained a little weight and became more curvy) to a full D (pregnancy), I prefer the skinny version of me with the small boobs. I was lighter on my feet then, and felt more flexable with the slimmer body. To be honest, the more curvy version of me had a little more attention from the guys, but it didn't mean they cared for me, or saw me as anything more than a temporary partner. There are pros and cons to each body type. I'ts sad that so many women become so overwelmed by the "perfect", unreal images of women in the media, that they don't learn to appreciate and truely value the bodies they have. I remember bieng skinny and wanting so bad to have a more fuller chest, and then when I grew bigger, I discovered that the novelty wore off fast and I wanted my old body back.

 

Just as a last thought, to all the women out there (and men), don't base your self worth on your looks. Your looks start fading, slowly but surely, at 25. Yes, you can be attractive at 30, and 40, and so on, but on a physically level, you'll never be as perfect as an 18 year old. Base your worth on your intelligence, wisdom, accomplishments, and what you can give to others. These are the things that grow with age.

[JerseyShortie]

But once that child sets foot outside of the familial compound, they are subjected to the criticisms and standards set by their peers.

 

No doubt. And they will encounter painful moments from that. But they should learn that it doesn't matter what their peers think. Infact, that is HOW they learn that those things shouldn't matter. They might not get that when they are 14, but with maturity, as an adult, they will if their parents install those values into them. But what I see, are adults that still feel like that 14 year old kid living up to a standard that even the people presenting the image don't live up to. (haha, I should know because I got body issues. I however don't feel the desire for plastic surgery for it.)

 

And this comment from StartingOver is a beautiful thing and 100% on target:

 

So while it may be true that kids don't look to parents for what constitutes beauty (I am not sure about this), I do think that the value system in which kids are brought up plays a tremendous role in how they perceive the world and their own character

 

 

On a much deeper level though and strictly from an instinctual or animalistic point, physical beauty is something that all human beings can appreciate because we process what we see in our brains and it produces a pleasurable response.....

 

True. But the idea of what is beautiful is what has changed. More robust women that did not have a define muscle mass were thought to be beautiful. Now it's stick figures with melons. And that idea has been shaped by the media. In a media that isn't even realistic.

 

 

 

It's ironic that in the same sentence that you see my comment about how girls that developed breasts faster suddenly became more popular amongst other schoolchildren, and it made you laugh so hard it brought tears to your eyes, you also proceeded to tell me that

it was not at all your experience since in your childhood the popular girls were the thin outgoing ones. In that comment you failed to see that all you did was yousubstituted one body image/attribute that is praised, by another. So in effect we are actually agreeing

that at that very early stage of the adult development, kids already place a huge weight on physical beauty

 

Well, I wasn't really laughing in real life but I am sure you know that. I never denied that certain attributes where praised over others for whatever reason. What I disagreed with your automatic assumption that every girl with big breasts was thought to be a peer's "superior" in my experience. You asked me so I responded.

 

I understand that was your experience and I did not argue with that. I however pointed out that my experience was different in the regards that in my school, while I am sure guys loved breasts, the size didn't determine a girl's popularity.

 

 

 

Our current society has become obssesed with muscles and a toned physique hiding under the pretext that it is natural and therefore healthy to be thin or toned and muscular, when in fact it fails to recognize that in order to achieve that type of physique it takes an unnaturally enomrous amount of time spent at the gym, and the type of food intake and

diet (if you can even call it that )it takes to achieve that look is not natural or healthy for some at all.

 

Oh yes I do agree with this. That the idea of what is "healthy", really isn't always healthy. I think the idea of breast implants isn't really healthy personally. We have talked about how it makes a woman more "proportionate". But it really doesn't. It makes the woman live up to a fake ideal of what a woman should look like, not what the real proportions of a healthy real woman are. And don't get me wrong, I don't always think that a woman with a size 14 pant is healthy just as I don't think a woman with a size 2, double d's is automatically healthy.

 

But now it's my turn to find irony with you. Where you were once positivly enforcing an unnatural process (breast implants) to make one feel better, you don't seem to hold the same opinion here in the unnatural process of working out and eating. It's quite interesting. You say:

 

We should question the true health benefits of aiming at something that is so mechanically orchestrated just because the end result is esthetically pleasing yet we don't. We all go to the gym and we all diet and we all do what we have to achieve that look and no questions asked.

 

But you weren't asking any of those questions when it came to breast implants. You were very encouraging of it. Now, when we discuss the other exericizing and eating that can also be mechanically orchestrated, do you seem to find some just cause to question how healhty it really all is.

 

You can lead a very healthy lifestyle in diet and activity level and not be thin or muscular and yet people would dismiss you for being unfit if couldn't prove you were either one of those.

 

I hear you on that! I work out like 4-5 times a week and I don't have a perfect body. But I work out hard. I do 50 min of cardio and I take a weight class 2-3 times a week, but my tummy isn't completely flat. I am not so hard bodied that you would look at me and says "that girl works out!". But I do! I eat right and I am healthy. I don't look like a playboy bunny and never will. And even the playboy bunnies don't. But I don't know if guys understand that. Heck, I read a little thing about Jessica Alba that said that in her movie posters then enhance her bust. Can you believe that? She is beautiful as she is, but even on Jessica Alba someone feels the need to "fine tune." (again I use that term loosely).

 

 

The thing is though that wanting to improve oneself in the physical regard is looked down upon by some and trying to improve one self in the intellectual or spiritual aspect is not. But are they not ALL integral parts of our being? the spiritual, intellectual and body that is... So why only accept one and not the other?

 

Well, for one thing. People spend more time worried about the phyiscal then the other aspects you mentioned. The other thing is people don't accpet one another on the spiritural or intellectual fronts either. We don't all have the same spiritural beliefs but I am sure we all think ours is the right way.

 

 

I'm willing to bet that few, if any, will berate me for my choice to straighten my teeth, but if I said I wanted implants because I was embarrassed by my breasts, I'd likely be told that my motives were wrong and to learn to love them as is

 

Well to be honest, I probably wouldn't have the same issue as getting your teeth fixed as I do with breast implants or nose surgery. I consider those two features more individual. But I also think breasts are something very personal to women. And to have men, society, even other women set a standard for breasts that can only be obtained by an illusion, I feel attacks alot of woman's natural femininism. That's just how I feel about it. We don't attack men's penis size to the extent we attack a woman's breast size. That is why people get so much more upset about it, it's like an attack on women.

[annieo]

Well to be honest, I probably wouldn't have the same issue as getting your teeth fixed as I do with breast implants or nose surgery. I consider those two features more individual. But I also think breasts are something very personal to women. And to have men, society, even other women set a standard for breasts that can only be obtained by an illusion, I feel attacks alot of woman's natural femininism. That's just how I feel about it. We don't attack men's penis size to the extent we attack a woman's breast size. That is why people get so much more upset about it, it's like an attack on women.

 

I agree with this completely. Teeth are neutral, breast are female. Plus, you don't have to have major surgery (with anesthetic, risk of allergic reaction, infection, clots, albeit a small risk % wise) to get your teeth straightened. Or to colour your hair. Maybe on the same continuum but way closer to the middle.

[StartingOver07]

I agree with this completely. Teeth are neutral, breast are female. Plus, you don't have to have major surgery (with anesthetic, risk of allergic reaction, infection, clots, albeit a small risk % wise) to get your teeth straightened. Or to colour your hair. Maybe on the same continuum but way closer to the middle.

 

You can have impacted wisdom teeth that require extraction and some people need to be anesthesized for this. Infection can occur. The risk of heart problems as a result of dental work can be quite elevated in some people.

 

And, as we've already discussed, there are greater risks in driving to work than there are in having a breast augmentation.

 

I'd like to think that the concerns presented here are borne out of safety issues but that's not what I am "hearing." Rather, there seems to be a whole lot of moralizing going on. Not by all posters, but certainly by a great many of those who are opposed to breast augmentation.

 

If the underlying issue is that society's compass is pointed in the wrong direction, and that "our" definition of sexuality is "wrong," surely there is a better way to get the point across and garner support than by berating women who choose breast augmentation.

[StartingOver07]

And this comment from StartingOver is a beautiful thing and 100% on target:

 

Thank you, JS. Your words mean a lot.

 

FTR, the rest of what you quoted (except for the bit about having teeth straightened) did not come from me.