FormerNiceGuy Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Freud missed the obvious. A woman wants a man who won't do everything for her. And another thing! Remember this iron rule OP: The one with the power in the relationship is the one who needs the other the least. Let that marinate for a bit. Preach on brother. You remind me of my brother, Rollo. Link to post Share on other sites
pricillia Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Op can still be a "Man" and be sweet... he does not have to be a "pussy" and let her step all over him but Matrix... you do seem bitter...NO? Link to post Share on other sites
TheMatrix Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Matrix your advice is horrible.. then he can buy her a card saying it was nice to be close to you... reinforcing for the next passion session.. How is that bad advice? How the **** does Hallmark reinforce anything? Yeah, it reinforces the fact that he (miraculously) piled her up (even a blind squirrel can find a nut) and is now a needy chump by "caring enough to send the very best." Like I said, OP, never take advice on women FROM WOMEN THEMSELVES. They will delude you. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Stir liberally with a dose of divorce lawyer and child support Whoah, no kidding. Treat your partner like dirt and this type of treatment will be reciprocated. Treat your partner with consideration, as a person worthy of respect, and not over-the-top, you belong on a pedestal, spoiling, and this type of treatment will also be reciprocated. Of course this only works if you target women worth targeting... Link to post Share on other sites
pricillia Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 How the **** does Hallmark reinforce anything? Yeah, it reinforces the fact that he (miraculously) piled her up (even a blind squirrel can find a nut) and is now a needy chump by "caring enough to send the very best." Like I said, OP, never take advice on women FROM WOMEN THEMSELVES. They will delude you. ha ha ha does not have to be hallmark he could write it on a condom wrapper and be a bad ass... just the thought that counts... Men are more sensitve in some areas then women the point is making eachother happy is the most important thing... Yes sometimes one person needs the other more so and te scales are tipped, but you can still have fun in a relationship by trying to please eachother Link to post Share on other sites
TheMatrix Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Op can still be a "Man" and be sweet... he does not have to be a "pussy" and let her step all over him but Matrix... you do seem bitter...NO? I'm bitter that there are men out there who are really great guys and are getting the worst possible messages/advice about women from the media and WOMEN THEMSELVES. This forum is feminizing more men than I care to think about. I shudder at the thought. A man with options is a man with power. If I have a few different plates spinning, and one falls off, so what?! I have three others going. Chances are, I'll pick up another plate and get it spinning. Open your eyes, OP. She's just a WOMAN. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I'm bitter that there are men out there who are really great guys and are getting the worst possible messages/advice about women from the media and WOMEN THEMSELVES. This forum is feminizing more men than I care to think about. I shudder at the thought. A man with options is a man with power. If I have a few different plates spinning, and one falls off, so what?! I have three others going. Chances are, I'll pick up another plate and get it spinning. Open your eyes, OP. She's just a WOMAN. Women aren't sperm receptacles, just like men aren't solely a form of cash cow...errrr...bull... Link to post Share on other sites
TheMatrix Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Stir liberally with a dose of divorce lawyer and child support I would never marry. It's the worst possible investment you could make. Link to post Share on other sites
pricillia Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I'm bitter that there are men out there who are really great guys and are getting the worst possible messages/advice about women from the media and WOMEN THEMSELVES. This forum is feminizing more men than I care to think about. I shudder at the thought. A man with options is a man with power. If I have a few different plates spinning, and one falls off, so what?! I have three others going. Chances are, I'll pick up another plate and get it spinning. Open your eyes, OP. She's just a WOMAN. So OP should not try to be romantic.. or sweet? women are not plates... they are living breathing beings... Your nonchalant attitude shows that you were hurt... If you have a few different plates spinning and one breaks it is because you were not spinning right...and when you break all of your plates and there are none left then what It seems like you need to take spinning lessons. We have not heard from OP.. I would like to know more about thier relationship Link to post Share on other sites
TheMatrix Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I am done now. Flame me if you like, but deep down, in places you don't like to talk about, you know I speak the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
pricillia Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I am not flaming you... I somewhat understand what you are saying... Relationships are not easy, and being emotionally connected to someone leaves you vurnerable... and that is a scary thing Link to post Share on other sites
nittygritty Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I'm bitter that there are men out there who are really great guys and are getting the worst possible messages/advice about women from the media and WOMEN THEMSELVES. This forum is feminizing more men than I care to think about. I shudder at the thought. A man with options is a man with power. If I have a few different plates spinning, and one falls off, so what?! I have three others going. Chances are, I'll pick up another plate and get it spinning. Open your eyes, OP. She's just a WOMAN. What gifts do you give your men on the 3rd date? Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Trolls exit via the employee door Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I also see vile venom but it's only coming from one very bitter poster. If you have no success with decent women or are solely targeting for the superficial, hawt drama queen, gold-digger, it's not surprising gender-based assumptions and attitudes deteriorate to the cynical. and thats "the real truth". Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 and thats "the real truth". I do agree. Link to post Share on other sites
BChris66 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 and thats "the real truth". Maybe he's met my Ex Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I do agree. I was hoping someone who was familiar with "the truth" would see that. Some people just "analyze" things way too much. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I was hoping someone who was familiar with "the truth" would see that. Some people just "analyze" things way too much. Sometimes, creating your own reality, will create something totally unrealistic. Always assuming the worst possible outcome, with male/female interactions, tends to create self-prophesizing conclusions. While being alone can be nice and comfortable, due to your ability to control every facet of your life, being with someone worthwhile, who you can respect and care about, is far more satisfying. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Sometimes, creating your own reality, will create something totally unrealistic. Always assuming the worst possible outcome, with male/female interactions, tends to create self-prophesizing conclusions. While being alone can be nice and comfortable, due to your ability to control every facet of your life, being with someone worthwhile, who you can respect and care about, is far more satisfying. If people would stop being so bitter and close minded, then it wouldn't be so bad. I wish it were this easy for everyone to understand. Link to post Share on other sites
FormerNiceGuy Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I think what Matrix is saying is right, but he's saying it in a blunt way. When he says don't take advice from women, you have to look at the context that he's saying it. A woman can explain what she finds attractive in a man, but she can’t teach you how to do it. I've lived about 25 years enough to know that taking a woman's advice about women..just leaves me in the friends box. Seriously. Try taking a girl's advice about attracting a girl. Come back in about a week and tell me if it works. I knew tons of girls that gave me advice about women. And do you know what's funny? They say the same stuff. Listen. Give flowers. Be nice. Be honest...blah blah. Any guy...and i mean..ANYONE can follow those rules..but you don't see them with the women... And one day I woke up and stopped listening to women, and began listening to guys who were successful with women. Let me give you a quick scenario. I ask a girl on advice on how to get with "Haley". She tells me what to do. What happens? Nothing. Then I ask my friend "Damien" on how to get with Haley. His advice is ENTIRELY different from what that girl-friend told me. The end result? I got her. The lesson is simple. You don’t ask fish how to fish. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Then I ask my friend "Damien" on how to get with Haley. His advice is ENTIRELY different from what that girl-friend told me. The end result? I got her. "Getting" a woman is one thing. Keeping her is a whole 'nother ballgame... Also, no one wants a doormat or over-the-top, clingy behaviour. If a woman tells you to give another woman flowers, it doesn't mean that you have to profess undying love, associated to the giving of those flowers. Nothing worth having, comes easy. But...nothing worth keeping is consistently difficult. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Things like flowers are a social convention, nothing more, nothing less. Someone being on my mind and my wishing them well with a gift is not professing undying love (in and of itself). I've sent flowers to friends overseas when a loved one has died. Bla, bla... Being sensitive to a woman's likes is a healthy thing. Being aware and acting on that awareness is where experience comes in. Relationship pacing is a challenge no matter what age and life experience. Good on the OP for asking. Link to post Share on other sites
FormerNiceGuy Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 "Getting" a woman is one thing. Keeping her is a whole 'nother ballgame... Also, no one wants a doormat or over-the-top, clingy behaviour. If a woman tells you to give another woman flowers, it doesn't mean that you have to profess undying love, associated to the giving of those flowers. Nothing worth having, comes easy. But...nothing worth keeping is consistently difficult. Perhaps... but I'm different from you and everyone here. I don't have the mentality here that I need to "keep" a woman. If she leaves me, then she was never worth keeping. I don't have the mentality that I "need" a woman. And this ironically has made me succeed. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMatrix Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 So much cannon fodder. Where do I begin? Never try to buy a woman's affections. Don't a be a ***in chump. Freaking spot on. A light of hope remains. I only wish I had FormerNiceGuy’s knack for brevity. I also see vile venom but it's only coming from one very bitter poster. If you have no success with decent women or are solely targeting for the superficial, hawt drama queen, gold-digger, it's not surprising gender-based assumptions and attitudes deteriorate to the cynical. I do not “target.” I see opportunities to open and I approach. Then I start to spin that plate. It’s my way of filtering out the "superficial, hawt drama queen, gold-digger” as you put it. I have options. Therefore, I have the power. More on that later... Preach on brother. You remind me of my brother, Rollo. Rollo has helped many a man to open their eyes. His advice is golden. I advise all frustrated chumps to seek this man’s advice you do seem bitter...NO? Typical response from a woman when a man challenges these artificial social conventions which are propped up by WOMEN THEMSELVES! Whoah, no kidding. Treat your partner like dirt and this type of treatment will be reciprocated. Treat your partner with consideration, as a person worthy of respect, and not over-the-top, you belong on a pedestal, spoiling, and this type of treatment will also be reciprocated. Of course this only works if you target women worth targeting... Hey look! I agree with you on something. I do not advocate for acting the azzhole. That is not what a real Man does. What a Man does is to qualify a woman as DESERVING OF HIS TIME AND RESOURCES. Again, spin more plates. You use this as a way to filter through the dirt and find a gem. Women do this all the time. Then you might hear this: "I just don't want to be in relationship right now." Let me translate this for you: "I don't want to be in relationship with YOU." Why? Because she has options. Women aren't sperm receptacles, just like men aren't solely a form of cash cow...errrr...bull... Could have fooled me… women are not plates... they are living breathing beings. Your nonchalant attitude shows that you were hurt. If you have a few different plates spinning and one breaks it is because you were not spinning right...and when you break all of your plates and there are none left then what It seems like you need to take spinning lessons. We have not heard from OP.. I would like to know more about thier relationship. Give me a break. What man HASN’T had his emotions trampled on by a woman at some point? Does this make me bitter? Hell no! Want to know why? Because I understand BEHAVIOR. And when you understand behavior, you can MODIFY it. I modified my behavior and the behavior of the women so that I began to achieve intended results. Shoot, you could pick up a book on dog training and apply it to women. Don't believe me? Some men understand this naturally, others need a push. Sometimes, creating your own reality, will create something totally unrealistic. Always assuming the worst possible outcome, with male/female interactions, tends to create self-prophesizing conclusions. While being alone can be nice and comfortable, due to your ability to control every facet of your life, being with someone worthwhile, who you can respect and care about, is far more satisfying. Because I believe what I do, you automatically extrapolate that I have a negative outlook on dating/women/life. Nothing could be further from the truth! When I am with a woman, I am CONFIDENT that she will find me exciting/intriguing because I BELIEVE IT AND KNOW IT. Confidence is not faked. I don't have to ACT confident, because I believe it. I have a great career and have my chit together. I do not focus on negative outcomes. They are a detriment to my growth as a MAN in every aspect of my life from finances to continuing education (just finished my Master’s degree, tyvm) So you’re saying that your life isn’t satisfying when you’re “alone?” Your happiness is dependent on another human? Not me! I rock climb, am an avid skier, chop motorcycles, teach history, build houses, invest my money, fly fish on blue ribbon trout streams out my back door, hike multiple days across mountain ranges, etc. Should I keep going? I just make sure a woman is worthy of the little time I have to give. My happiness is NOT derived from a WOMAN. I think what Matrix is saying is right, but he's saying it in a blunt way. When he says don't take advice from women, you have to look at the context that he's saying it. A woman can explain what she finds attractive in a man, but she can’t teach you how to do it. I've lived about 25 years enough to know that taking a woman's advice about women..just leaves me in the friends box. Seriously. Try taking a girl's advice about attracting a girl. Come back in about a week and tell me if it works. I knew tons of girls that gave me advice about women. And do you know what's funny? They say the same stuff. Listen. Give flowers. Be nice. Be honest...blah blah. Any guy...and i mean..ANYONE can follow those rules..but you don't see them with the women... And one day I woke up and stopped listening to women, and began listening to guys who were successful with women. Let me give you a quick scenario. I ask a girl on advice on how to get with "Haley". She tells me what to do. What happens? Nothing. Then I ask my friend "Damien" on how to get with Haley. His advice is ENTIRELY different from what that girl-friend told me. The lesson is simple. You don’t ask fish how to fish. Well done sir. Many of you may not appreciate my frankness. I guarantee that I have the OP scratching his head thinking, “You mean to tell me that I have OPTIONS as a man?” Yes sir, you do. You have all the options in the world. These women will DELUDE YOU. Listen to Brother FormerNiceGuy, for he is enlightened to the truth. These women will tell you not to listen to me. That I am a jerk, and women don’t like jerks. Yeah right! They appreciate the frankness whether they want to admit it or not. They want a Man to be a MAN. They don’t want some wishy-washy chump, who supplicates himself to a woman. Nothing is more emasculating or repulsive to a woman. And if a woman wanted to date a woman, she would do so with an ACTUAL woman and not some effeminate frustrated chump. Sometimes being shocked into reality is the only way these guys will see the light. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMatrix Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Perhaps... but I'm different from you and everyone here. I don't have the mentality here that I need to "keep" a woman. If she leaves me, then she was never worth keeping. I don't have the mentality that I "need" a woman. And this ironically has made me succeed. This man is enlightened!!! Link to post Share on other sites
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