andysw Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 According to the mayan calender and scientific investigation, it's said that the world will end by 21st december 2012 by super natural disasters, human threat, or a supernatural phenomenon. Should we believe this? I mean Jesus is definately coming back upon all of mankind isn't he? Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I don't know; there have always been end of time predictions and none of them came to pass. I'm still unclear about what scientific fact supports this. It has something to do with the the north and south poles......beyond that I don't know what they're suppose to do that will end the world. Link to post Share on other sites
Author andysw Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 I don't know; there have always been end of time predictions and none of them came to pass. I'm still unclear about what scientific fact supports this. It has something to do with the the north and south poles......beyond that I don't know what they're suppose to do that will end the world. For one, it has something to do with solar storms. Link to post Share on other sites
LucreziaBorgia Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 There's nothing new or unusual about solar storms. They are cyclic. Link to post Share on other sites
Tony T Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 (edited) According to the mayan calender and scientific investigation, it's said that the world will end by 21st december 2012 by super natural disasters, human threat, or a supernatural phenomenon. Should we believe this? I mean Jesus is definately coming back upon all of mankind isn't he? I think when and how the world will end depends a lot on whether or not Hillary Clinton becomes president. If she fails, you can be we'll be around for a long time. In all seriousness, there is simply no way to know when the world will end except that for each and every one of us the world ends the minute we stop breathing, our hearts stop pumping and our organs shut down. The world ends for every living thing at that moment. Otherwise, all this matter floating around it space just goes on and on. From a scientific standpoint, the sun will burn out in about three billion years at which time it will become a shooting star. You can certainly count on that moment as the time all life ceases in our solar system. As far as the second coming of Jesus, I think that will come after the elections. Edited March 2, 2008 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Not - THREE BILLION YEARS - ??!!?? But I still have so much to do....!! I have a half-knitted jumper, some tomato seeds germinating, and I still have a library book to return!! So much to do, so little time!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I've got a few movies I've rented, that are going to accrue a helluva' lot of late fees... I wonder why these predictions begin on the winter solstice date of Dec. 21st. Is there a rebirth on June 21st, the summer solstice? Is there a correlation to cabin fever? Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Well I found a neat 88 page pdf of what the predicted environment changes will be. But I don't think I can link it because it is copy written. But it is found on a site with some...uhhhh.....other more "out there" topics, so who knows how realistic it is. I can't find sources for the information in the pdf If you look up zatatalk.com and go to the safe locations link you will find the pdf. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 well, it's simple really. If the world doesn't end in 2012, whatcha going to do then? If the world DOES end in 2012 - Whatcha going to do then? Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 According to the mayan calender and scientific investigation, it's said that the world will end by 21st december 2012 by super natural disasters, human threat, or a supernatural phenomenon. Should we believe this? I mean Jesus is definately coming back upon all of mankind isn't he? If we all had a dollar for every single time that someone predicted the exact date or year for the end of the world throughout history....................... IMO there is no way at all to determine when it will happen. Jesus will come back, but that is a whole different discussion all together. Link to post Share on other sites
Storyrider Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Time to get lasik. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Nostradamus predicted that the world would end sometime back in 1997 I think. Or was it 2003? Either way, he was wrong. The Mayan calendar is just the current "end of the world prophecy" du jour. After 2012, someone else will dig up another one. If it DOES end then, there isn't anything we can do about it. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 According to the mayan calender and scientific investigation, it's said that the world will end by 21st december 2012 by super natural disasters, human threat, or a supernatural phenomenon. Should we believe this? I mean Jesus is definately coming back upon all of mankind isn't he? the answers to your 2 questions are 1. No- probably not, (and if the answer was yes, what would you be able to do about it anyway?) 2. I doubt it, as its not actually possible for the dead to come back to life. PS- what scientific investigation? Please quote your sources. And the Mayans world ended as soon as the catholics arrived, so maybe they were just a little p*ssed when they made their prediction. Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 According to the mayan calender and scientific investigation, it's said that the world will end by 21st december 2012 by super natural disasters, human threat, or a supernatural phenomenon. Provide a source for this bolded claim please. I mean Jesus is definately coming back upon all of mankind isn't he? Stop believing in fairy tales. Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Time to get lasik. :lmao: Remember how crazy people got when they thought that the world was going to end when 2000 hit? I would love to see some real and legit proof on when the world will actually end. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Remember kids, the cumulative accuracy rating of all doomsday prophecies is an astounding 0%. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Green Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 The wolrd could definetly suffer some horible event but I doubt any one will make some half a$$ prediction about it. The changing temperature global warming thing seems like the best doomsday scenario for now. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowofman Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Or an asteroid. But you are right, any prediction will fall in line with the cumulative accuracy rate. Link to post Share on other sites
Green Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Or an asteroid. But you are right, any prediction will fall in line with the cumulative accuracy rate. well duh, because there can be only one, and by the time we figure out its true no one will be around to care. Link to post Share on other sites
lovelorcet Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Provide a source for this bolded claim please. Stop believing in fairy tales. Yup, yup... Concentrate on your education and don't worry about this stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Remember kids, the cumulative accuracy rating of all doomsday prophecies is an astounding 0%. Cheers, D. Totally agree. Every religion has its predictions, and Christianity has more than most. I have a shelf of books with the date that the world will end starting with 1908 (a Napoleon would be the anti-christ) until 2012 as mentioned already. I have books that say it should have ended in 1988, 1994, 2000, 2003 (collision with Planet X) and 2005 (by an Ice Age). And one book predicts this year...2008. We do know a few things..... 1. While nobody has predicted the end of the world yet, past statistics do not reflect the accuracy of future predictions. Yet they are a good indicator that these predictions are simply that...predictions with no real basis. 2. This world will end one day. Whether that day is soon or far in the future, we do not know. However, it will end. 2. For everyone of us posting here and everyone in this world, the world as we know it WILL end when WE die. This is a guarantee, and "the cumulative accuracy rating" is 100%. As my signature says, "And THEN what?" This is the question we should be concerned with. While it is "fun" to consider when the world will end for humankind, it is more advisable to consider "what will happen to me when the world ends for me?" Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Oh hi, James, yeh...if you die before me, drop me a line and let me know, would ya? of course, if I die first, I will happily do the same for you.... Deal? In a great book I have (though not to hand, i'm sorry) thre is a discussion beween two people: We'll call them 'Cynic' and 'Follower'... "C: No, sorry. Nothing you can say convinces me. There is no heaven, Nirvana, 'Happy Place' or anything after this. Zip. You die, I die, we all die, finito. I plan to go all out and live life to the full, and hang anyone else. Don't get in my way! I'm out for fun!! And why not? F: Well, ok... that's one way of looking at it. But we all have choices... C: ya think? Well, I choose to do what the heck I like and go for it! Wine, sex and song! What's wrong with that? F: You must do as you feel. And if you're right, and you have lived life the way you want to, and there is nothing there, then we have all benefitted, because I intend to live Life the way I want. To 'serve', to find contentment in small gifts, and to see my fellow human being Happy and as far as I am able to help, free of suffering. Living Life with Compassion, Sympathetic Joy, Loving Kindness and Equanimity brings it's own rewards... C: Yeh, but - what's the point? F: The point is, if you are right, then there's no harm done. but if you're wrong - IF, mind you - then just what the heck is going to be your excuse....?" It little matters whether 'Heaven' exists or not. The thing is, To Live Life as if it did. Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Hum... I always thought that no one to this day has figured out the Mayans... strange... This is all bull... no one knows.. but I can predict that we have started looong ago our self-destruction.. so I wouldn't be surprised.. Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Oh hi, James, yeh...if you die before me, drop me a line and let me know, would ya? of course, if I die first, I will happily do the same for you.... Deal? Deal. I have often wished that I could interview a few people who have already died. I think the findings would be world-changing. Yet in the Bible we have the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus. In it, the Rich man says that if he could just tell his brothers they would believe in an afterlife. But Jesus says that even then they would assume that it is an illusion. In a great book I have (though not to hand, i'm sorry) thre is a discussion beween two people: We'll call them 'Cynic' and 'Follower'... "C: No, sorry. Nothing you can say convinces me. There is no heaven, Nirvana, 'Happy Place' or anything after this. Zip. You die, I die, we all die, finito. I plan to go all out and live life to the full, and hang anyone else. Don't get in my way! I'm out for fun!! And why not? F: Well, ok... that's one way of looking at it. But we all have choices... C: ya think? Well, I choose to do what the heck I like and go for it! Wine, sex and song! What's wrong with that? F: You must do as you feel. And if you're right, and you have lived life the way you want to, and there is nothing there, then we have all benefitted, because I intend to live Life the way I want. To 'serve', to find contentment in small gifts, and to see my fellow human being Happy and as far as I am able to help, free of suffering. Living Life with Compassion, Sympathetic Joy, Loving Kindness and Equanimity brings it's own rewards... C: Yeh, but - what's the point? F: The point is, if you are right, then there's no harm done. but if you're wrong - IF, mind you - then just what the heck is going to be your excuse....?" It little matters whether 'Heaven' exists or not. The thing is, To Live Life as if it did. This is known as Pascal's Wager. http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/pascals-wager.htm There is a thread here about it. It has been used as an argument for believing in God, but IMO it is not a strong one. Hopefully, this thread will not be derailed by the arguments for and against this Wager. Maybe if I point it out, then we can stay on topic. Yet for what you use it for, yes, it is a good way to live. The reverse could be just as possible though. Why live my life for others and as if there is a God...if there is no God? Why spoil all of the fun in this short life I have if there is no Heaven or Hell? So, while I would not bet that the world will end in 2012, I cannot say that I (or anyone else here on LS) will make it to 2012. I remember having these kind of conversations with a friend when we were both 21 or so. We both felt that we would be alive when the world ended. We just "knew" based on what was preached off the pulpit at church the world would end by the year 2000 at the latest. In our conversations, we forgot that we WERE vulnerable to death prior to our old age and the year 2000. While it is obvious that I am still alive, he died in an bike/car accident with a drunk driver approximately two weeks after we had one such conversation. Since that day, I can no longer have such a conversation without realizing that I, too, am vulnerable to death, and that my main concern should not be the end of the world, but it should be the end of my life. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Thank you for pointing that out to me James; this was not the passage in my book that I was referring to, but it's good to have a source. I appreciate it. "We in the West" (such a lovely phrase - it covers a multitude of sins....!) have a sanitised, almost horrified fear of sitting and squarely looking at Death in the face. As woody Allen famously remarked: "I'm not scared of dying - I just don't want to be there when it happens!" I had a discussion on this subject with a friend, and we both realised with what blinkered complacency we both assumed wwe would go on that last walk in our old age. When there is no such guarantee, of course. A lama whose talk I attended, was saying: "In a bizarre way, those who have a terminal illness have been granted a unique opportunity to put their house in order. If they are able, they can learn to accept this fact with resolve. They are able to voluntarily bring all outstanding matters to a close, and to tie up loose ends. But look at you all - You are all dying!" And he laughed. "You have no guarantee that this day will not be your last! You think you have all the time in the world to finish outstanding things - but no! Every time you leave a loved one, leave them with a smile, a hug and a kiss - you may never have that opportunity again - either because you die in the meantime, or worse, they do! Every breath you take, is one breath less. Every time you breathe out, there is no guarantee you will breathe in again! Of course, you hope you will. You trust that you will. We all do. Me included, let me tell you. Live every day in fun and joy, as if it will be your last. One day, you'll be right. each year, we celebrate our birthday. Without knowing it, we 'celebrate' our death-day too. And we'll have a lot more of those.... Dying is not a bad thing. Fear of dying is worse. I'm not talking about the cause or circumstances. I'm talking about actually dying. we fear dying, because we don't know what it is that we're afraid of. No really. Link to post Share on other sites
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