SpanksTheMonkey Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I just can't get overly excited about these kinda predictions any more I dunno I think Y2K just ruined it for me I had my canned beans and flashlight all ready to go and come 12:01 nothing what a let down.. Link to post Share on other sites
SpanksTheMonkey Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 (edited) you are on to something I have read that calender and think it is very creditable. A lot of people don't know about it though. I was shocked that you knew. Discovery channel did a special on it a few years back and of course they repeated the heck out of the episode I think more people may realize then you know I personally find it more intriguing the fact that the Mayan people has a hole completely disappeared off the face of the earth at one point. Edited March 3, 2008 by SpanksTheMonkey Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 you are on to something I have read that calender and think it is very creditable. A lot of people don't know about it though. I was shocked that you knew. Uh, only those who do not visit the web or Amazon or watch TV. I think most people should have known by now. http://www.google.com/search?q=2012+doomsday&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/105-2305615-3321203?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=2012&x=21&y=19 Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 each year, we celebrate our birthday. Without knowing it, we 'celebrate' our death-day too. And we'll have a lot more of those.... There is a saying....the day you are born is the day you begin dying. Are you ready for death...and eternity? Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Stop believing in fairy tales. Provide a source for this bolded claim please. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Provide a source for this bolded claim please. Touche. Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Well I think all these doomsday predictions are pretty lame. If the world does end, there's nothing we can do about it anyways. It's like obsessing over the day you will die. OK, you will die, that's a fact. But you can't spend your life thinking about it all the time, or you'll miss out on the whole "living" thing. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Provide a source for this bolded claim please. YO MOOSE!!! HOWYA DOIN' - ?!? Pithy as ever...!! Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Well I think all these doomsday predictions are pretty lame. If the world does end, there's nothing we can do about it anyways. It's like obsessing over the day you will die. OK, you will die, that's a fact. But you can't spend your life thinking about it all the time, or you'll miss out on the whole "living" thing. Worrying and obsessing about something is never good. It not only keeps us from enjoying life, but it paralyzes our mind and saps our energy so that we are prevented from actually preparing for something. However, preparing for what is inevitable is not only wise but essential if we hope to be ready for such an event. So, when we are presented with the idea that the world will end on such and such a date, we should ask ourselves not "Will the world end then and what will I do?"...but we should ask ourselves "When MY life ends, what will happen next? Will I gamble that there is no afterlife or will I believe the overwhelming evidence that there IS an afterlife? Will I deny the probability of God and His Judgment or will I believe a zoologist who thinks God is just a delusion?" Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Provide a source for this bolded claim please. We've been over this on other parts of this forum. The elementary rules of logic; that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 YO MOOSE!!! HOWYA DOIN' - ?!?Just hanging in there....a lot on my plate recently.....Pithy as ever...!! And I always will be until the Second Coming anyway.We've been over this on other parts of this forum.I'm well aware of this. So why do you insist that these are, "fairytales" when you have not been able to prove otherwise here, or any other place on this forum?The elementary rules of logic; that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.Exactly. Practice what you preach..... Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Well Enema, I tried to see whether you would engage further on another thread, and so far you have come back with nothing. On the face of it, at first glance, it seems as if you are capable of challenging, but from evidence of your own absence, it appears that you're not able to step up to the mark, yourself. I'm prepared to continue, and be proved wrong on this point, of course.... Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 So why do you insist that these are, "fairytales" when you have not been able to prove otherwise here LoL, that you can miss the point so cleanly is amazing. I'd almost suggest you were being willfully ignorant. It's not up to me to prove your beliefs are a fairytale. You guys (religious people) are making the extraordinary claim, it's up to you to prove it. Asking me to disprove your belief is similar to me asking you to disprove the existence of an invisible teapot in the sky. Unless I provide proof of my teapot claim, you can dismiss it as a silly fairytale. Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 We've been over this on other parts of this forum. The elementary rules of logic; that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. That "elementary rule of logic" sounded familiar to me. It really doesn't come from a philosopher or logician...it comes from an astronomer named Carl Sagan. Read the below link for a viewpoint regarding that statement. http://www.carm.org/evidence/extraordinary.htm Requiring extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims sounds good on the surface. But, it is subjective. The fact is that a person's presuppositions strongly affect how and to what degree the statement is applied. When debating skeptics, I often ask them to tell me what would qualify as extraordinary evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. Generally, nothing sensible is offered. Nevertheless, when defending the Bible and dealing with the claim that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," address the following issues. 1. Will their presuppositions allow unbiased examination of the evidence? 2. What would qualify as extraordinary evidence? 3. What criteria is used to determine what is extraordinary evidence? 4. Are criteria for extraordinary evidence reasonable? Hopefully, a healthy dialogue can be had by both parties. Sorry for the off topic remark. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 LoL, that you can miss the point so cleanly is amazing. I'd almost suggest you were being willfully ignorant.Trust me....I'm far from ignorant on the subject.It's not up to me to prove your beliefs are a fairytale.It most certainly is when you stake the claim first. And that's precisely what you did on this thread. If you can't back it up, then keep it to yourself.You guys (religious people) are making the extraordinary claim, it's up to you to prove it.You, (anti-religious) are making the extraordinary claim that they are fairytales.....PROVE IT.Asking me to disprove your belief is similar to me asking you to disprove the existence of an invisible teapot in the sky. Unless I provide proof of my teapot claim, you can dismiss it as a silly fairytale. We've all provided proof positive that Christ exists. You're the one who's being willfully ignorant to this evidence. Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Well Enema, I tried to see whether you would engage further on another thread, and so far you have come back with nothing. On the face of it, at first glance, it seems as if you are capable of challenging, but from evidence of your own absence, it appears that you're not able to step up to the mark, yourself. I'm prepared to continue, and be proved wrong on this point, of course.... I asked you direct questions in that thread a few times. You refused to answer my simple questions about what you believe and instead directed me to do my own legwork and research (ON YOUR BELIEFS) through 3rd party sites. The first time you dodged my questions, I even signed up to the buddhist forum, but there was nothing there but more empty assertions. I decided to waste no more of my time bothering with your thread when you don't even answer straight forward questions about why you believe. Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I asked you direct questions in that thread a few times. You refused to answer my simple questions about what you believe and instead directed me to do my own legwork and research (ON YOUR BELIEFS) through 3rd party sites. The first time you dodged my questions, I even signed up to the buddhist forum, but there was nothing there but more empty assertions. I decided to waste no more of my time bothering with your thread when you don't even answer straight forward questions about why you believe. Actually if i could quote her, she asked YOU a question which you ignored... So before I even begin to attempt to try to explain what it is that I know, of such matters, could we wind it back a bit and perhaps you could tell me what you already Know of Buddhism. How far have you delved into it, and what do you already understand? Is here anything of the primary information you have gathered that you not only understand, but accept? Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 To get back on topic, No man, no angel, not even Christ Himself knows the day or the hour. Only God knows.... Matt 24:36 ""No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 It most certainly is when you stake the claim first. And that's precisely what you did on this thread. If you can't back it up, then keep it to yourself. I hate to be reduced to this level but, "You started it". Religious claims came first and need to be supported with evidence or they can be rejected without evidence. We've all provided proof positive that Christ exists. You're the one who's being willfully ignorant to this evidence. There is some evidence that Jesus of Nazareth existed. I do not reject that. That he existed though, is neither proof of his divinity or proof of god. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Actually if i could quote her, she asked YOU a question which you ignored... ....And Enema, I did explain that out of context I was difficult to answer questions in isolation, because so many times the teachings run into one another. Which is why I wanted to know whether there was anything you already knew and accepted, to be able to build upon that. So, as it is on that subject, and as it is on this one, you like to poke people in the chest, but you're not so keen on having it done to you, are you? _/l\_ James. Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Actually if i could quote her, she asked YOU a question which you ignored... She sidestepped my simple question first: "Tell my why you believe." Attempting to sidetrack the conversation onto what I know about buddhism (nothing) has no relevance to my question about her beliefs. I got sick of the hand waving and quit the thread. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Children, children. (((Shakes head))) Not this old chestnut again. Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Hmmm, drifting back On-Topic... According to the mayan calender and scientific investigation, it's said that the world will end by 21st december 2012 by super natural disasters, human threat, or a supernatural phenomenon. Andy, you've been asked about your source of information on the "scientific investigations" that point to December, 2012 as the "end of the world..." I'm still intersted to hear your answer to that question. Are you taking the Mayan calendar "prediction" of a specific end-date, and then combining that with general scientific inquiries into the negative effect human civilization has on the earth, and concluding that "science supports the Dec, 2012 end date?" Those are two different things, and there is not a connection between them that should lead you to infer that the mayan date is supported by scientific investigation. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 well if you know nothing, you are hardly qualified to poke me in the chest, are you? You expect people to argue, to discuss and to justify when all you can say, is "I don't see it! Prove it! Give me evidence!" Do your own research. Don't expect and demand that others do all your work for you. That's not intelligent discussion. That's just plain ignorant. At least make the effort to meet people half way. Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Attempting to sidetrack the conversation onto what I know about buddhism (nothing) has no relevance to my question about her beliefs. I got sick of the hand waving and quit the thread. Actually, it is very relevant. As an example, if you asked me to explain a simple algebraic statement such as a+b=2, I would need to know what you know about algebra and math before I could simply answer your question. So it is with any religion. G could answer your questions and then spend the next twenty posts re-explaining her beliefs because your answers may show that you really did not understand what she is saying. Personally, as my information regarding Buddhism is limited, this would be necessary for me as well. My guess is that you got sick of arguing a point to which you would not be open to a different opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
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