The world ends by 2012

[Geishawhelk]

You're right sb129.

I apologise.

I'll ignore any further diatribe.

And if the posts get deleted, it matters not in the end, anyway.

 

Thank you for the timely reminder.

[Enema]

well if you know nothing, you are hardly qualified to poke me in the chest, are you?

You expect people to argue, to discuss and to justify when all you can say, is "I don't see it! Prove it! Give me evidence!"

 

Do your own research. Don't expect and demand that others do all your work for you.

That's not intelligent discussion.

That's just plain ignorant.

At least make the effort to meet people half way.

 

It was a very straight forward question... I wanted to know why you believe buddhism to be truth.

 

You couldn't/wouldn't answer me, instead directing me to other sites when I simply wanted your personal thoughts.

 

I attempted to meet you half way by signing up to the buddhist forum. However the only posts contained more about "what" you believe, not "why".

 

Why is it that you cannot tell me why you believe buddhism is truth?

[JamesM]

Hmmm, drifting back On-Topic...

 

Andy, you've been asked about your source of information on the "scientific investigations" that point to December, 2012 as the "end of the world..." I'm still intersted to hear your answer to that question.

 

 

When I first read this, I made the assumption that he was referring to archeology as a science. These investigations have shown that the Mayans believed that the world ended in 2012 or so it seems from their calendar.

 

I guess it is entirely possible that the next calendar beginning with 2013 was lost.

[Moose]

I hate to be reduced to this level but, "You started it".

No, you started it on this thread. Now be a grown up about it and either finish it, or retract your claim.

[Geishawhelk]

It was a very straight forward question... I wanted to know why you believe buddhism to be truth.

 

You couldn't/wouldn't answer me, instead directing me to other sites when I simply wanted your personal thoughts.

 

I attempted to meet you half way by signing up to the buddhist forum. However the only posts contained more about "what" you believe, not "why".

 

Why is it that you cannot tell me why you believe buddhism is truth?

 

Because it relates to me, not to you. it would

mean nothing to you.

 

I believe in buddhism because I have read many of the teachings, examined them, tested them and cannot make a hole in them, no matter what I've tried.

this thread is being taken off-topic.

If you'd like to continue this discussion lucidly, return to the other thread.

If not, let's just knock it on the head, shall we?

[Green]

You can make a hole in anything. Label it as circular logic, then destroy its mind, body and soul. It is pointless to think about the world ending as a matter of fact in 2012, even if it turns out correct. As previously stated the world can and will end for many of this planets persons before 2012 as we make our mortal passage through time. I personaly believe in the addage of living each day as if it were going to be your last, of course with out the anxiety and disregaurd for the future knowing this would bring.

[sally4sara]

Well, I did some digging and I found as I said earlier an 88 pg pdf about the events of december 2012.

 

In 2006 a sunspot caught astronomers' attention. The sun produces these things all the time but this small one was "backwards" in that the sun and the sunspots send magnetically charged particles down through our atmosphere and this little sunspot's magnetic particles were opposed to the ones we usually get. This has happened before and it always proceeds catastrophic event on Earth. Like ice age and other environment altering events such as huge earthquakes and storms. They have noticed since the appearance of this sunspot, the northern and southern poles are not located (magnetically) where they once were. They have and still are shifting. They are 5 degrees off their long standing marks. Eventually "flipping".

It is suggested that if this keeps happening the tectonic plates under us will start to see a decrease of magnetic pull cumulating in December of 2012. When this flip is happening all bets are off. Huge tidal waves coming in-land by 100 miles covering entire cities. Some never to be seen again. The continents will "lift" and start to move astonishingly fast. In the 88 pages, it talks about many cities and the changes that will happen. The places that will still support human life are given. Some of the changes are:

 

India will get completely piled over. Russia will shift down closer to the equator becoming more tropical and much smaller. England is gone; washed over. Africa will get smaller too and become marshy. It is suggested that this will cause the ebola virus to run rampant and wipe out most survivors not only because we will be in a state of panic but also because HIV and Aids is so prevalent there. A good portion of the US will stay above water when it is all over disturbing the Arizona, New Mexico area the least. All of Central America is gone. South America becomes a more rounded island. I think I remember it say Japan and Australia are over washed and gone. Only the mountain area of Spain will survive but it won't be a good place; too crowded with fleeing people.

It goes on and on. But like I said, it isn't really clear who made these studies or how this was figured out. Its really interesting though to look at what the supposed next Earth will look like.

 

I also find it funny I wasn't the only one who's first though was "I should really get lasik now while I can!"

[HokeyReligions]

I saw this show too. The first thing that came to mind was "can we blame Obama since it will be the end of his Presidential term especially since Bush is being blamed for Global Warming!" LOL

 

The world will end when it ends. Each civilization will end when they end. Someday the sun will burn out too and possibly the planet will cease to sustain any life form. I'm not going to worry about it.

[Trimmer]

Well, I did some digging and I found as I said earlier an 88 pg pdf about the events of december 2012.

Sally - without a reference to this document, or at least a way for us to find it, with only your summary, we can't judge this information for ourselves. Can you provide a source for this? Otherwise, it sounds outrageously outside the norm. Most of what I've read that I find credible is that a magnetic pole "flip" can take a thousand years to complete, and that there may well be widespread effects during a flip, but they are likely to be related to the things that earth's magnetic field really affects, like the solar ultraviolet and charged particle flux impinging on the earth's upper atmosphere, and it's doing so while the earth's magnetic field is weakened during a "flip." Things like communication disruptions, auroras that may be visible all over the earth, further ozone depletion due to CFC's already in the atmosphere interacting with the solar flux no longer as vigorously "shielded" during the flip, etc... Not to say that these effects won't have significant consequences, but the continents won't all start shifting around wildly if a magnetic pole flip occurs.

 

it isn't really clear who made these studies or how this was figured out.

Yes, I believe you on that one.

 

I, for one, will have no problem booking my lasik surgery appointment for January, 2013.

[NotMyselfNEmore]

So many documents and so much history has been lost for centuries and centuries due to the fact that conquerors destroy, kill and steal making it almost impossible for us to know if in fact, there aren't any more predictions set after December of 2012. We have lost entire civilizations without explanation... I wouldn't think twice if we actually lost the next calendar or the next set of predictions.

 

If you research carefully, setting aside all the non-reliable websites, you can see that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE knows when the world will end. Instead, we do have tangible proof of natural cycles which have been established by nature and discovered by scientists. These cycles MUST happen because... well... that's the way nature works!

 

Many of these reliable sources do explain about our solar activity (which the sun has been active since its birth) and how it affects our planets. They also explain how cycles work. Some sources suggest that mankind will actually go through a transformation either physical or spiritual... either way, only the sources that are interested in scaring people will actually say that the world will end. It would be pretty stupid of us to run around looking for the meaning of life before such date to then wake up the very next day after this "end of the world" with a pimple on our face making this the biggest problem we have to deal with on that particular post-end of the world day :lmao:

 

I honestly do not lean towards any particular claim about the end of the world. Whether is does or it doesn't.... that is something I cannot completely believe in because no one knows but nature itself.... and that is up to the higher beings of this world to decide when will our days on earth end.

[Moose]

Replace your word for, "nature" with God, and you might be yourself again....

 

Incidently, the world never ends......just a hint to everyone.....

[disgracian]

God is a poor, pale imitation of nature.

 

Cheers,

D.

[shadowofman]

Specifically a personification of nature, with an exaggerated benevolence. All of the "good" and "evil" that exists in this world is a product of this natural world and it's natural processes. Just as Satan is a personification of all malevolence.

 

Eventually the world will end. As well as our sun. None of us will ever see this, but we may very well witness drastic changes in the environment. Ones that could mean severe destruction to ecosystems and land masses. Could be a meteor, or global warming/ice age. Could be another pandemic or continued mass extinctions. For anyone to have predicted any of this in ancient history is so unlikely. We would be doing good to predict any of this now.

[Moose]

God is a poor, pale imitation of nature.

Man, you really need to lighten up....I don't know what happened in your life that you feel you must put God down publicly every chance you get, it's as if you're hard pressed to be above Him.... do you have anything constructive to say instead of making rash claims?

We would be doing good to predict any of this now.

First you make the predictions, then you confess that we really can't say one way or the other.....

 

IF the ice age, or ecosystem is damaged or destroyed, it's because God wanted it to be. He's cleansed the Earth before, and He very well can do it again if He so chooses.

 

BUT, this world itself will never end.

 

Andysw, you do understand that when beleivers die, we don't go through the pearly gates to never walk past them again? We will inherit this Earth and reign here with Christ Himself.....

[marianne62]

Man, you really need to lighten up....I don't know what happened in your life that you feel you must put God down publicly every chance you get, it's as if you're hard pressed to be above Him

 

 

What happened in his life is that he grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales. You should give it a try, Moose.

[JamesM]

 

 

What happened in his life is that he grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales. You should give it a try, Moose.

 

Out of curiosity, what basis do you have that God is a fairy tale?

 

And based on your reply, did you believe that God was real when you were a child? What made you change your mind?

[marianne62]

Out of curiosity, what basis do you have that God is a fairy tale?

 

And based on your reply, did you believe that God was real when you were a child? What made you change your mind?

 

God told me he was a fairy tale. He should know, right?

[Moose]

What happened in his life is that he grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales. You should give it a try, Moose.

Thanks for your concern.

 

New member huh? Interesting......

 

Most of the time, (just so you know), it's insulting when someone answers for someone else, (like what you just did) But since this was a personal jab at me, I hardly doubt anyone would mine.

 

Seems like personal statements directed towards me are welcome here, simply because I don't care what you or anyone thinks about my belief, and I have tough skin.....

 

However, you should have at least enough respect to back your claim.

[Moose]

God told me he was a fairy tale. He should know, right?

That's a good response.

 

Curious, are you sure it's me who needs to "grow" up?

 

Do you believe in the end of the world? Do you have anything to contribute to this thread?

[sb129]

What happened in his life is that he grew up and stopped believing in fairy tales. You should give it a try, Moose.

 

 

Ouch.

 

Don't we have to reach a certain post count before we can fling a bit of mud your way though Moose?

[Moose]

Ouch.

 

Don't we have to reach a certain post count before we can fling a bit of mud your way though Moose?

Nah....let it come as it may.....lol.....I can usually get mud slingers dirty with their own ammo.....

[sb129]

Nah....let it come as it may.....lol.....I can usually get mud slingers dirty with their own ammo.....

 

Oh, I know you can fight your own battles.

 

As you were soldier.

[JamesM]

God told me he was a fairy tale. He should know, right?

 

Hopefully as you post in this forum, you will be able to present some more intelligence in your answers. And believe it or not, I say that kindly.

 

I was serious as to how you reached your conclusions.

[Geishawhelk]

God told me he was a fairy tale. He should know, right?

Marianne, I don't believe in God, but with all due respect, if you can't have an Theological conversation without stooping to ridicule, it doesn't sound very intelligent.

Debating from an educated standpoint is one thing. Poking insults simply because your views are diverse, especially with no prior or subsequent engagement, does you no credit.

 

With Metta,

 

GW.

[marianne62]

Hopefully as you post in this forum, you will be able to present some more intelligence in your answers. And believe it or not, I say that kindly.

 

I was serious as to how you reached your conclusions.

 

James, I much prefer being a lurker here. I wrote one comment and all of a sudden I have to explain how I came to my conclusions? Why don't you believe that God told me he was a fairy tale?

 

From what I hear from the Christians in my life, God talks to people all the time. He told one of my friends that it was okay for her to cheat on her husband. He told my ex-mother-in-law the winning numbers of a lotto. She didn't win of course, but that was because (according to her) that she didn't hear him correctly.

 

So if I say God told me he was a fairy tale, how is that any less plausible than what he told my friend and ex-mother-in-law? How can you prove that he didn't tell me that?

 

Sorry for going off-topic on this thread. I do not have the graciousness that the other non-believers on this site have to debate any of this stuff. I would end up saying things that would be offensive and I do not want to do that, so I will retreat back into the shadows and live my non-belief life and prepare for my fate for eternal hell and damnation.