sb129 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 So why bother posting at all? Link to post Share on other sites
marianne62 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 So why bother posting at all? I won't anymore. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I truly am. Moose, that includes you. I mean this from the bottom of my heart. My apologies to everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
audrey_1 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I grew up in the Southern Baptist bible belt, and let's just say that it introduced the words "hypocrisy" and "cynicism" into my vocabulary. It seems to me that "believers" are so hung up on the making the "fairy tale" real, that they ostracize and judge everyone else, which is exactly what they're NOT supposed to be doing. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. I just can't subscribe to something like that. You're going to hell if this, going to hell if that...sins of the flesh, blah blah blah. There is absolutely NO way I'm going to deny myself a full, feeling life in my flesh for however long I've got, and I don't give a $hit who knows it. I don't operate from malice or judgement, but I'm still human, and will never be perfect. And I doubt there's anyone or anything to "clean my slate" after I'm dead if I offer any public sentiments of specific faith and conviction. In this myriad universe, you expect me to believe there's some alternate universe/reality better than this one? Seriously? Buddha's belly would quake on that one. Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 James, I much prefer being a lurker here. I wrote one comment and all of a sudden I have to explain how I came to my conclusions? Yes, actually that's pretty much how it works here. Why don't you believe that God told me he was a fairy tale? .... How can you prove that he didn't tell me that? Because your claim is a self-referential contradiction. To assert that that God does not exist, your "proof" assumes his existence. Sorry, but you can't pull that off without sounding sarcastic, and it's disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise. Incidentally, I am also one of those non-believers, who has argued God's non-existence (without sarcasm), but in a different, and appropriate thread where it was on-topic. If we're going to talk about respect, here, let's have some for the OP. Andy, Andy, Andy... Where are you? What do you think of all this? Do you still think the Mayan calendar points to a 2012 doom? And were the "scientific investigations" you were mentioning related directly to the Mayans and their calendars, or were you thinking there were other investigations that independently pointed to a 2012 end date? And sally4sara: where can I find that 88 page PDF you mentioned? Link to post Share on other sites
audrey_1 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 And I'm sorry if my last post was offensive, please believe that is not my intent. I have a specific experience that molded this opinon over thirty years. I try to understand and tolerate all ways of arriving at a same divine conclusion. Free will to worship or not worship who/what applies to everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
redfathom Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 This may have been said, but the Mayan Calendar ends every 5,125 years. Then starts over. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 It seems to me that "believers" are so hung up on the making the "fairy tale" real, that they ostracize and judge everyone else, which is exactly what they're NOT supposed to be doing.You couldn't be farther from the Truth.Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance.If you're assuming Christians should tolerate non-believers, you're even farther from the Truth.You're going to hell if this, going to hell if that...sins of the flesh, blah blah blah.The only way you'll be going to hell is if you deny Christ as your Saviour. Period. What's so hard about that????I don't operate from malice or judgement, but I'm still human, and will never be perfect.No one is, and no one can be. That's precisely why Christ came to pay our sin debt. Does that make Christians perfect? NO WAY, shape or form. I don't place myslef above ANYONE. In fact, I'd say I'm worse because I DO believe, yet I still have a sin NATURE.Buddha's belly would quake on that one.Hey, I like Buddha....even though he wasn't crusified and rose again, at least he sat down and remained quite....I won't anymore. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I truly am. Moose, that includes you. I mean this from the bottom of my heart. My apologies to everyoneNo worries. I'm not nor was I offended.....peace! Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 James, I much prefer being a lurker here. I wrote one comment and all of a sudden I have to explain how I came to my conclusions? Why don't you believe that God told me he was a fairy tale? Only because it sounded like a flippant remark. Since it is obviously contradictory, it is hard to accept. If I said to you that I did not exist, could you believe that? The fact that I tell you is every indication that my statement is false. So here too. I enjoy discussions with any view, and I certainly hope you continue to contribute. It would be nice if they contained more reasonable logic. No need to leave. Link to post Share on other sites
dbtmarley Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I remember when I was in the 7th grade the world was supposed to end on a Wednesday. That was 1982 and Wednesdays have not been the same for me ever since. I hope this next prediction is not on NFL Sunday's. That would just suck. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I try to understand and tolerate all ways of arriving at a same divine conclusion. If you are a practising Buddhist - and I am neither implying that you are, nor am I assuming that you are, but you do have a Buddha as your avatar, and you have mentioned the 'Buddha's belly - then Tolerance is not an adequately Mindful or skilful tenet, because it implies an existent element of judgement. The more Mindful premise is Acceptance. Regardless of what a person's belief is, as a Buddhist, I am personally conscious that I have to completely disengage from any preconceived ideas of what I think people 'should' or 'should not' have as a fundamental Belief or Credo in their Lives. There are exceptionally few adult Western Buddhists to my knowledge, who have been born into a Buddhist family from the word Go. so the majortiy of Western Buddhists probably either have a preliminary grounding in Atheism, or more usually, are people who have opted to follow a Buddhist calling in preference to one of Christianity. Both Moose and James know I am Buddhist. Yet never once, within our obvious differences, have we ever resorted to argument, insult or disagreement on any thread based on a Christian or religious original premise. On the contrary, they have both at diverse times been extraordinarily supportive of me, and I hope I may say that I have never crossed them to their displeasure. nor would I ever willingly do so. I had some relatively extreme groundings in my Christian origins. As a person who was deeply involved in Catholicsm for the best part of my adult life, I'm sure I may well have "a specific experience" that could well have moulded my View now, also. Tolerance and acceptance are personal choices. In fact, every thought, word and deed I have/say/do, are all basic fruits of a choice. We canm never hope to understand why some people go one way, and why other folk go another. not fully.If we are at opposite ends of he spectrum, we may listen and accept, but Complete undersatanding may well be too much to ask - ! Please know, audrey, I did not post this to either correct or 'chastise' you. I just thought I would comment on your post, and let you know of my View. Which may in turn be an outrageous presumptuousness on my part. If that is the case, you have my apologies.... With metta, GW. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowofman Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 First you make the predictions, then you confess that we really can't say one way or the other..... I am not making predictions, only describing probabilities. Never said that the world will end this way or that, definitely on this day or in this year. IF the ice age, or ecosystem is damaged or destroyed, it's because God wanted it to be. He's cleansed the Earth before, and He very well can do it again if He so chooses. Amazing! So even if we can scientifically prove that the earth is warming through a process termed "global warming", you will ignore the evidence and reduce the issue to "God did it!". Rather than investigating the actual causes of the warming, you will use a preconceived notion to answer the question? BUT, this world itself will never end. Not in your lifetime or your recognizable descendent's, but our sun will eventually burn out all of it's hydrogen and then eventually super nova. That's not a prediction, it's a fact of physics more known then gravity. Link to post Share on other sites
e.clipse Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 i am going to be severely disappointed if the world doesn't end in 2012. i am looking forward to it. Link to post Share on other sites
confused_27 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 No human being on this earth knows EXACTLY when the world is gonna end.....The only man that knows is GOD himself Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 No human being on this earth knows EXACTLY when the world is gonna end.....The only man that knows is GOD himself God isn't a man...... or is he? Link to post Share on other sites
midamericanman Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 The world's ending? Eat, drink and be merry! And charge it! Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 One breath:Never said that the world will end this way or that, definitely on this day or in this year.Next breath:but our sun will eventually burn out all of it's hydrogen and then eventually super nova. That's not a prediction, it's a fact of physics more known then gravityDo you believe in the, "Big Bang Theory"? Is so, what was the first cause? Or do you believe in the universe as always been? If that's the case, why hasn't our Sun burned our billions, upon billion, upon billions of years ago? How old do you think our Sun is?So even if we can scientifically prove that the earth is warming through a process termed "global warming", you will ignore the evidence and reduce the issue to "God did it!". Rather than investigating the actual causes of the warming, you will use a preconceived notion to answer the question?Please.....I see the picture you paint in you mind of me now. I'm not as gullable as you make me out to be. We have scientists to waste their time on that. And I find their findings pretty interesting. All hype in my mind though, because we've been through this cycle before of global warming AND cooling, and NOT that long ago either. (Google Princeton University geosciences Professor Michael Oppenheimer) I don't see why everyone raising such a stink over it personally. Furthermores, just because there is scientific evidence that these events occur doesn't mean God didn't have His hand in it all along. Link to post Share on other sites
Geishawhelk Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Oh man.... I can see this thread being severely trimmed.... So many posts Off-Topic - and none more so than mine - !! Mind you, we are hashing over old and much-trodden ground though....aren't we...? Link to post Share on other sites
Curmudgeon Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 According to the mayan calender and scientific investigation, it's said that the world will end by 21st december 2012 by super natural disasters, human threat, or a supernatural phenomenon. That would only give me a bit over two years of retirement and I've worked too hard for too long to end up with just that. I'd be pissed! Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster_DAR Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Maybe humans will find some other planet to inhabit, or ruin depending on your view on human colonization. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Man, you really need to lighten up Why is that? I don't know what happened in your life that you feel you must put God down publicly every chance you get, it's as if you're hard pressed to be above Him Leave the armchair psychology to me. do you have anything constructive to say instead of making rash claims? I did say something constructive. IF the ice age, or ecosystem is damaged or destroyed, it's because God wanted it to be. He's cleansed the Earth before, and He very well can do it again if He so chooses. You were saying something about rash claims? LOL. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Why is that?I'd tell you but.....Leave the armchair psychology to me.You don't want to hear it.I did say something constructive.That's a matter of opinion I suppose.You were saying something about rash claims?We have evidence that the world has suffered global catastrophic events, (whether you or I want to call them supernatural or not). But here the world remains.....it's not going anywhere......ever. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Unless of course it gets hit by an asteroid or our sun eventually goes supernova. Its matter will be redistributed throughout the galaxy and soldier on undaunted, but it will no longer resemble the blue-and-green ball we know it as today. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
underpants Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Let's see... If the world ends in 2012, I will be 42. 42 is the answer to life, the Universe and everything. Uh oh... What was the question? Link to post Share on other sites
NotMyselfNEmore Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Replace your word for, "nature" with God, and you might be yourself again.... Incidently, the world never ends......just a hint to everyone..... Not everyone believes in "God" and not everyone believes that "He is the way". But thanks for your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
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