andysw Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Is it wrong to be gay or lesbian? Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Seeing as there is a specific reason you are posting in the S&R section, do you think you could maybe mention that reason? Otherwise you are asking very general questions that seem to have no context. For the record, no I don't believe it is wrong to be gay or lesbian. Link to post Share on other sites
nashua Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I'm so sure you are going to get a myriad of responses here. The highly religious would most likely say yes, it is wrong. i am a very liberal woman living in one of the Gayest cities in the US and frankly, I love all gays and think there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. To each is own. What do you feel in your heart. That should answer the question for you. CD Link to post Share on other sites
Quinch Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 (edited) They're filthy sinners and will burn for all eternity in the fires of damnation along with whores, AIDS victims and single mothers. Sorry, just lost all intelligent reasoning for a moment there. Why do you even ask this question? Edited March 15, 2008 by Quinch Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Erased Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 They're filthy sinners and will burn for all eternity in the fires of damnation along with whores, AIDS victims and single mothers. Sorry, just lost all intelligent reasoning for a moment there. Why do you even ask this question? What about single fathers? Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 WHAT they DO isn't right. The sexual perversion is sinful and self-destructive, but it is just same sinful as lying, cheating, steal, hatred, fornication, adultery....and everyone in the earth is guilty of some of these sins. if you have gay friends, be careful not to influenced by their lifestyles. I know a young woman who is a bi, and we had few talks from time to time online, never meet, she often wants to seduce me, but I clearly told her I am straight, and we talked like friend, even so she never stop trying, and when I talk to her, I tried to talk with her about God, hope one day she will be healed by Holy Spirit . Anyway if they turn to God, Holy Spirit can break those bondages off them, and change them inside God hates sins, but loves sinners. just think about how we were deeply in sins when we got saved by God:love:. It is not good to treat them differently I think. we all are sinners anyway Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 I saw the other thread you posted on this subject where you questioned if it is okay to be friends with gay people. Now this thread where you ask if it is okay to BE gay. Both are fine things. The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah are the usual source cited when discussing Christian views on homosexuality. But the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was not about homosexuality. It was about how the town's people were shady and did not practice proper hospitality. The angels were sent to find 10 rightious people by seeking shelter and asking the people of the town to give them shelter. The problem is the town had a very harsh view of beggars and poor people. A lesser known story is of a beggar that one of the town's people smashed in the head with a rock and then tried to charge the beggar for the service of "bloodletting" as a medical service. Another story is of a girl who gave a beggar food and the town's people killed the beggar and smeared the girl's body with honey, strung her up and let the insects eat her. Another story is that when poor people came to the town seeking shelter they were offered a particular bed and if they didn't fit the bed exactly, they would be put on the rack and stretched to fit or cut up to be made small enough to fit. When the people demanded that Lot send out the angels to be known by them, what they intended to do to the Angels was some sort of torture to let them know the town did not tolerate beggars. The destruction of the city had nothing to do with homosexual sex, but you have been taught differently to serve an agenda. Do yo remember how the people in your church turned away from you because you had missed some time while attending school? Your education is none of their concern and harms them in no way, yet they witheld acceptance from you. It is the same concept with homosexuality. Someone else being homosexual is none of your concern and harms you in no way, why act like the people from your church who treated you coldly over something that affects you not at all? Link to post Share on other sites
Author andysw Posted March 15, 2008 Author Share Posted March 15, 2008 I saw the other thread you posted on this subject where you questioned if it is okay to be friends with gay people. Now this thread where you ask if it is okay to BE gay. Both are fine things. The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah are the usual source cited when discussing Christian views on homosexuality. But the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was not about homosexuality. It was about how the town's people were shady and did not practice proper hospitality. The angels were sent to find 10 rightious people by seeking shelter and asking the people of the town to give them shelter. The problem is the town had a very harsh view of beggars and poor people. A lesser known story is of a beggar that one of the town's people smashed in the head with a rock and then tried to charge the beggar for the service of "bloodletting" as a medical service. Another story is of a girl who gave a beggar food and the town's people killed the beggar and smeared the girl's body with honey, strung her up and let the insects eat her. Another story is that when poor people came to the town seeking shelter they were offered a particular bed and if they didn't fit the bed exactly, they would be put on the rack and stretched to fit or cut up to be made small enough to fit. When the people demanded that Lot send out the angels to be known by them, what they intended to do to the Angels was some sort of torture to let them know the town did not tolerate beggars. The destruction of the city had nothing to do with homosexual sex, but you have been taught differently to serve an agenda. Do yo remember how the people in your church turned away from you because you had missed some time while attending school? Your education is none of their concern and harms them in no way, yet they witheld acceptance from you. It is the same concept with homosexuality. Someone else being homosexual is none of your concern and harms you in no way, why act like the people from your church who treated you coldly over something that affects you not at all? I guess you're right. I have been kind of confused whether friends with a homo brings morality. Link to post Share on other sites
malaclypse Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Is it wrong to be gay or lesbian? No, but it's wrong to be concerned about this. Link to post Share on other sites
SpanksTheMonkey Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 They're filthy sinners and will burn for all eternity in the fires of damnation along with whores, AIDS victims and single mothers. Sorry, just lost all intelligent reasoning for a moment there. Why do you even ask this question? I'm guessing you mean the question in a religious sense? well that would depend on what religion your into I suppose. I personally don't think theres anything wrong with gays and lesbians. Or for that matter prostitutes certainly not aids victims or single mothers or fathers! lol Um I'm not that into religion so forgive me and please correct me if I'm wrong here. But wasn't one of the important women in the bible a so called "whore" at one point before Jesus found her? Link to post Share on other sites
norajane Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Gee, didn't God make gay people, too? Aren't they also children of God? If it were wrong, why were they born with different sexual orientation? Are you saying God made a mistake and shouldn't have made them that way and we, mere humans, know better than God and what his plan is? I'm not at all religious, nor do I believe in "god", and questions like yours remind me why. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Is it wrong that you put tab A into slot C, instead of B? Whatever works for you... Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 WHAT they DO isn't right. The sexual perversion is sinful and self-destructive, but it is just same sinful as lying, cheating, steal, hatred, fornication, adultery....and everyone in the earth is guilty of some of these sins. if you have gay friends, be careful not to influenced by their lifestyles. I know a young woman who is a bi, and we had few talks from time to time online, never meet, she often wants to seduce me, but I clearly told her I am straight, and we talked like friend, even so she never stop trying, and when I talk to her, I tried to talk with her about God, hope one day she will be healed by Holy Spirit . Anyway if they turn to God, Holy Spirit can break those bondages off them, and change them inside God hates sins, but loves sinners. just think about how we were deeply in sins when we got saved by God:love:. It is not good to treat them differently I think. we all are sinners anyway So much for loving all gods creatures. This post is frightening in its obtuse hypocrisy. :rolleyes: I'm not at all religious, nor do I believe in "god", and questions like yours remind me why. Hear hear. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 No, but it's wrong to be concerned about this. Its not wrong of him to ask if you look at how he has been raised. He should be proud of himself for questioning things instead of simply spouting off what he has been told. He is seeking answers to questions. Things he has been told that might not seem to add up to him. If he asked the people he has been most influenced by, they would probably attack him for even questioning these things at all. Lets not be like that too. Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 I guess you're right. I have been kind of confused whether friends with a homo brings morality. One suggestion: if you do decide you might be willing to become acquainted (or even friendly) with a homosexual at some point, don't blow it right away by calling him or her a "homo." Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Good point Trimmer Btw- meant to tell you I love your sig- I am a big PF fan too. Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 andy, why do you always ask loaded questions without ever contributing your own thoughts to the discussion? To some this behaviour seems an awful lot like trolling. What are your thoughts on the matter? Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
shadowofman Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 WHAT they DO isn't right. The sexual perversion is sinful and self-destructive, but it is just same sinful as lying, cheating, steal, hatred, fornication, adultery....and everyone in the earth is guilty of some of these sins. I love you Lovelybird, but I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate your opinion. You obviously believe that people are just soul in flesh suits. Do souls have genders? Can a soul love another soul that happens to be placed in the same fleshy suit? Also, all reference to homosexuality being sin is in the Old Testament. Most of everything in that book was supposable changed by Christ and the New Testament. Like stoning people, and sacrificing clean doves for having your dirty women period. If someone had zero interest in the opposite sex, should they live life without any intimate relationships or die virgins? Link to post Share on other sites
Pyro Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 No, but it's wrong to be concerned about this. I agree with that. IMO, none of us are the ones who are to judge whether it is right or wrong, but that is a different discussion all together. Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I love you Lovelybird, but I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate your opinion. OKay, fair enough. we can agree to disagree Link to post Share on other sites
shadowofman Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 No comments on the rest, Lovely? Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 (edited) No comments on the rest, Lovely? You know my opinion already. what can you do? each human has such sinful natures There is clear right and wrong: the things God allows are right, the things God doesn't allow are wrong. but beatening others with hatred and fear certainly isn't the way God wants us to do. Love sinners, but hate sins Lord Jesus came not to erase or change laws, he came to save. Laws in OT is a mirror that shows how holy God is, and how sinful we are. if only depending on what we do, all of us cannot go to heaven. But through believe in Lord, and invite him into heart, He changes us inside, we have fellowship with God. Love isn't sin, but lust out of marriage is sin. sex itself isn't sin, but abuse of sex is sin. God created sex, and told them "multiply", so sex is good when it is within marriage and with love. Our body itself is not sin, but our abuse of our body is sin. Our body is the temple that Holy Spirit dwells. God created a woman for a man, he didn't creat a man for man, nor a woman for woman. The way between man and woman is mysterious and beautiful, they are born with different natures, and in a way complete each other Edited March 17, 2008 by Lovelybird Link to post Share on other sites
shadowofman Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Forgive me lovely, but I truly believe these ideas are evil, if evil exists. Homosexuality is not a choice. I recommend that you watch the documentary, "The Bible Tells Me So". You will hear many of your fellow Christians, and Christian leaders argue my case better than I can, and from a CDhristian perspective. Google video it. Link to post Share on other sites
lovelorcet Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Laws in OT is a mirror that shows how holy God is, and how sinful we are. if only depending on what we do, all of us cannot go to heaven. But through believe in Lord, and invite him into heart, He changes us inside, we have fellowship with God. I would not want to see what kind of sick world we would be in if we all adhered to the old testament. This would be the Taliban times 10... The simple fact is by condemning gay and lesbian people you support and place yourself into a xenophobic group of people who incorrectly feel it is their "moral" obligation to tell 2 consenting adults what they are allowed to do in the privacy of their own homes. This preoccupation with fictionally derived sin is destructive and frankly a waste of time. Link to post Share on other sites
AdrianaLima Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 If you are a Christian believer, than of course it's wrong, to the highest degree. But if not, then their's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. Why?Are you considering it? Link to post Share on other sites
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