dpr Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Hey, have you ever tried putting one of your appendages into an automatic pencil sharpener? Maybe you would like me to throw a pie in your face. What fun! For me, anyway!! Ah more hypotheticals good. You still haven't answered me about the hypothetical of the man who doesn't "prefer" to go down on his woman. How should the woman handle this? If it turned you on, I'd do the pie thing. Well not you.. but you know, someone who deserved it. And the pencil sharpener thing is a really fair comparison, because cum on someone's face can disfigure them for life. Come on, say something intelligent already. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Yeah yeah, I wake up every morning and flip a coin, I've heard them all before. What I don't understand is how you can prefer or not prefer something, when you've never tried it? If the idea is rude to you, it will not turn you on. Yeah, I'm like that too each other naturally develop a compatible style for mutual enjoyment. No, unfortunately, it doesn't always work that way. Two people can care for eachother a great deal and not be sexually compatible. You're confusing an overall sexual compatibility to sexual need based on one type of act. I've yet to deny that sexual compatibility isn't important. It's to what small degree you take it, that doesn't make sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Nemo Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 , attempting to stifle your partner's desires is totally healthy. The other person doesn't want to be controlled, and to be dominated by taking a facial sliming of semen. It's their preference. Yet, the controlling person seeks to blame them for not changing their boundaries in the name of love. The facial slimer is nothing other than a control freak, and an emotional blackmailer. If you advocate this type of controlling behaviour, then you are clearly overstepping the boundaries set by a partner. Get over it, already. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Taramere Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 Facial semen slimers have a need to dominate their partners, whether they admit to it, or not. There's nothing "loving" about such behaviour. Sure, a partner may agree to it, and even enjoy it, because they have similar issues related to being dominated. Two wrongs don't make a right. Taking advantage of a person's lack of respect for themselves is as far removed from love as anything can get. I the act itself is borne from lust rather than love, but it can certainly be part of sex between people who love eachother. Sexual desire and dysfunctional bits of our personalities are often pretty closely tied up together in a way that creates major sparks in the bedroom as well as making people feel very bonded. I get tired of people competing with eachother as to who has the healthiest and most well adjusted attitude towards sex. "If I refuse to let him come on my face am I screwed up" "If I like him coming on my face am I screwed up?" "If I tell whoever feels the opposite of what I feel about this that they're screwed up, will that make me healthy?" Actually that's a lie. I don't get tired of it. I think it makes for some very entertaining threads, but anyway....at this point I'll introduce the usual line about it being best just to let people get on with whatever they both consent to doing. Then qualify it by saying that since sex is the most obvious and popular method of getting attention being permitted to get on with your thing in the bedroom isn't always enough for people. What's a noisy crusador for the sexual revolution to do when not even their own granny raises an eyebrow at the notion of anal or S&M any more? Howl with righteous indignation against imaginary accusations of rape and abuse the moment anyone suggests they're being a tad overbearing? Recruit the scientologists to brainwash people into "I'm repressed" anxiety so that they can be cured by having great dollops of Ron Hubbard's thawed out semen poured all over their faces? Taste their own juices? Cue dpr for another enlightening rant! Only kidding, dpr. Please don't come in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 The other person doesn't want to be controlled, and to be dominated by taking a facial sliming of semen. It's their preference. One partner ejaculating in his partner's face, by itself, has nothing to do with being controlled or dominated. I don't know where you got that implication from. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 One partner ejaculating in his partner's face, by itself, has nothing to do with being controlled or dominated. I don't know where you got that implication from. One partner forcing, demanding or insisting on another partner doing a sexual act they don't want to do is controlling and dominating. Also, implying that people who don't want to do something are repressed, is a manipulative way to control. Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 One partner forcing, demanding or insisting on another partner doing a sexual act they don't want to do is controlling and dominating. Also, implying that people who don't want to do something are repressed, is a manipulative way to control. I believe people should do things in bed out of enjoyment, not by being forced or demanded upon. And women who don't enjoy anal sex, or reject semen on their bodies are sexually uptight imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Nemo Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Also, implying that people who don't want to do something are repressed, is a manipulative way to control. Exactly. There are people , some are uptight. that just don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites
Nemo Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I believe people should do things in bed out of enjoyment, not by being forced or demanded upon. Yeah facial sliming is a demand we can do without Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I believe people should do things in bed out of enjoyment, not by being forced or demanded upon. And women who don't enjoy anal sex, or reject semen on their bodies are sexually uptight imo. If so, then you would have to agree that being forced to do something you don't want to do, is controlling and dominating. Everyone has their boundaries. For example, some people like to give extreme pain to their sexual partners. If you don't enjoy it, would this mean you're uptight? Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 If so, then you would have to agree that being forced to do something you don't want to do, is controlling and dominating. Everyone has their boundaries. For example, some people like to give extreme pain to their sexual partners. If you don't enjoy it, would this mean you're uptight? I don't believe anybody should be forced or expected to do something they don't want to do, no. Some people might be turned on by extreme pain, some by choking, which has put more than one to death. I don't think not being into that constitutes being sexually uptight. Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 For example, some people like to give extreme pain to their sexual partners. If you don't enjoy it, would this mean you're uptight? Btw, I've been in situations where a certain amount of pain was involved. I was ok with it as long as I could tolerate it and it wasn't uncomfortable. I can see the element of turn on in that. It wasn't common though, I can only think of a one occasion when that happened. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I don't believe anybody should be forced or expected to do something they don't want to do, no.Which is what the entire debate for the last I don't know how many pages is about. If someone doesn't enjoy taking it in the face and their partner insists, forces or demands they do, it is all about control and dominance. Some people might be turned on by extreme pain, some by choking, which has put more than one to death. I don't think not being into that constitutes being sexually uptight. But that means you have a boundary too. Who's to say that my boundary is any more uptight than your boundary? It's a matter of personal preference, isn't it? Let live... Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Btw, I've been in situations where a certain amount of pain was involved. I was ok with it as long as I could tolerate it and it wasn't uncomfortable. I can see the element of turn on in that. It wasn't common though, I can only think of a one occasion when that happened. I'm talking extreme pain such as torture. Are you okay with that or turned on by it? Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 But that means you have a boundary too. Who's to say that my boundary is any more uptight than your boundary? It's a matter of personal preference, isn't it? Let live... My boundary is where the pain becomes intolerable or there is a risk of death. Having anal sex, or swallowing, or semen on your body are common things. I consider someone that for whatever reason (doesn't matter) doesn't want to do that, to be sexually uptight. That's just my opinion anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I'm talking extreme pain such as torture. Are you okay with that or turned on by it? I'm ok with it to the level I can tolerate it. I wouldn't want to be in a situation where there is pain involved that I can't tolerate or pass out from that, no. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 My boundary is where the pain becomes intolerable or there is a risk of death. Having anal sex, or swallowing, or semen on your body are common things. I consider someone that for whatever reason (doesn't matter) doesn't want to do that, to be sexually uptight. That's just my opinion anyway. In essence, you're saying your opinion about boundaries, is the only valid one out there. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I'm ok with it to the level I can tolerate it. I wouldn't want to be in a situation where there is pain involved that I can't tolerate or pass out from that, no. Then you have a boundary, just like most other people. Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Then you have a boundary, just like most other people. I didn't say people should not have boundaries. Say, having sex with dead people, having sex with horses (someone may not be into that). I wouldn't consider those people to be sexually uptight, imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I didn't say people should not have boundaries. Say, having sex with dead people, having sex with horses (someone may not be into that). I wouldn't consider those people to be sexually uptight, imo. Some would say you're sexually uptight for not being willing to be sexually experimental. How can you say this wouldn't be fun, if you've never tried it before? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Taramere Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 I didn't say people should not have boundaries. Say, having sex with dead people, having sex with horses (someone may not be into that). Some people do get a little squeamish about f*cking corpses and horses, but that's okay. It's great that some level of consensus is slowly being approached here. Link to post Share on other sites
Nemo Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Having anal sex, or swallowing, or semen on your body are common things. I consider someone that for whatever reason (doesn't matter) doesn't want to do that, to be sexually uptight. It's interesting that you don't want to hear their reason. You feel that by judging them as "uptight," it gives anyone the right to violate their boundaries. This sort of judgement is exactly what a control freak uses to justify their domination of a partner by facially sliming them with semen in a defiant act of disrespect. Their partner has already said they have a preference for not having a load dumped on them, but their boundaries and desires are not being respected. They have been drowned out by a controlling inner voice that says, "You're just uptight, so I'm going to do it for your own good." Control freaks demand respect from their partners, but are totally unwilling to show any in return. Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Some would say you're sexually uptight for not being willing to be sexually experimental. How can you say this wouldn't be fun, if you've never tried it before? Then they can consider me sexually uptight. I don't mind though. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Then they can consider me sexually uptight for not having sex with corpses. I don't mind though. Ah, then being sexually uptight isn't a bad thing, right? Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 It's interesting that you don't want to hear their reason. You feel that by judging them as "uptight," it gives anyone the right to violate their boundaries. No, I believe people should respect someone else's boundaries. And people should not let themselves be manipulated into doing something they don't agree to. Link to post Share on other sites
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