Will these people go to Hell?

[andysw]

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23911019-948,00.html

 

Ah, I see.

[disgracian]

Everything that we see in nature are proof of God.

No, you are mistaking confirmation bias for proof. Everything we see in nature is proof only of its own existence, beyond that it is only your own preconceived notions, biases and (as you have demonstrated on this forum) lack of any real understanding that points towards god.

Why do you think trees and goats are two very different designs?

Because they evolved differently.

Look at the molecular structures of plants and animals that make up life and see how complex it is, more complex than a computer. Doesn't life show design and that it was from a designer?

Complexity is not an argument for design, mainly because there is no correlation between the two. Purposeful design can result in things that are both very complex or very simple. Your argument amounts to "Wow that's too complicated for me to understand, God must have dunnit!".

Look at the bacterial flagellum as an example. How could something that complex could've formed gradually by chance?

 

The human eye is another good example. How could a biological mechanism that complex could've gradually formed by chance?

I seem to recall that somebody on these very forums has already answered both of these for you. In any event I'll give you the benefit of the doubt:

 

Flagellum

http://www.talkdesign.org/faqs/flagellum.html (maybe a bit too much reading for you)

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200_1.html (mostly dot points)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella (good ol' Wikipedia, follow the references)

 

Eye

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA113_1.html

http://www.physorg.com/news115919015.html (news just in, science had it right all along)

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/12/evolution_of_vertebrate_eyes.php

http://www.karger.com/gazette/64/fernald/art_1_0.htm (multipart series, follow the links on the left side)

 

Cheers,

D.

[Mahatma]

i once asked and ex girl friend all kinds of questions about things like this. If they have not been introduced to, and denied god or jesus, they will be fine. If someone is introduced to religion and then denies it, they are going to hell.

[mopar crazy]

I should have read this thread b4 I posted a new one w/ the similar ?

[elaina]

Very cool pictures in the link below.

 

Shows photos of one of the hundreds of tribes that have never had any contact with modern man.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022822/Incredible-pictures-Earths-uncontacted-tribes-firing-bows-arrows.html

 

So, these people presumably don't know your god, don't know they're evil sinners and should repent.

 

Will they go to hell?

 

 

Hi,

 

I personally don't think so, but I can't give a literal Biblical passage as to why I don't think so.

 

The reason I don't think so though is cause God is loving and He knows everything. He knows every thought, every bit of knowledge, every action, and every opportunity to know Him that each person has. I believe God judges people on their heart, and not so much on strict variables.

 

For example, children who have severe mental challenges, I believe that God knows and understands them and that they are in no danger of hell by any means. In a different way, people who have never heard of Jesus or of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, I believe they are judged by their spirit/soul's condition and that their not hearing about Jesus is definitely taken into account.

 

God is the Master Mathematician, as well as the Master Artist, the Master Teacher, the Master Scientist, the Master of everything... and I believe that He knows each person's own unique "equation" and His judgements are always loving and completely fair.

 

Even though here on earth life is not fair, God's Judgement during the Judgement time for each person is fair (and the judgement time for each person is not during one's time in the "land of the living."

 

Peace and God bless (all the below verses are from NIV)

 

1 Samuel 16

 

"7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

 

1 Chronicles 28

 

" 9 "And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever."

 

In the above verse, Solomon, the king of Israel after King David, is reminded that God knows and searches every heart. I believe that people have responsiblity depending on their knowledge as to their seeking God and whether they refuse what they know of Him or not.

 

1 Chronicles 29

 

"17 I know, my God, that you test the heart and are pleased with integrity. All these things have I given willingly and with honest intent. And now I have seen with joy how willingly your people who are here have given to you. 18 O LORD, God of our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Israel, keep this desire in the hearts of your people forever, and keep their hearts loyal to you. "

 

Psalm 7

 

"

 

9 O righteous God,

who searches minds and hearts,

bring to an end the violence of the wicked

and make the righteous secure. 10 My shield [b] is God Most High,

who saves the upright in heart. "

 

Matthew 5

 

"1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:

3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4Blessed are those who mourn,

for they will be comforted.

5Blessed are the meek,

for they will inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,

for they will be filled.

7Blessed are the merciful,

for they will be shown mercy.

8Blessed are the pure in heart,

for they will see God.

9Blessed are the peacemakers,

for they will be called sons of God.

10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,

for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. "

 

Luke 16

 

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13"No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." 14The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. 15He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight."