Author MaxManwell Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 Are you calling me a spoiled rich kid? B/c I don't believe I ever uttered the words "my parents paid for college."...or anything for that matter. I wanted to go and I knew they didn't have the money so I worked my @ss off, got good grades and got scholarships. I own a "house", a car and everything else that i have I paid for with my own money...from the good job I got...b/c I have a degree. Not to say jobs that don't require a degree are not good, they can be, BUT my job requires a degree. I enjoy it, I make a good living, and to boot I am educated. I don't know what job you could get that would allow you to own a home so quickly unless you're in some sort of engineering or are a trader I can't think of many things that would allow you to own a home by 26. That is only five years out of college at a Maximum. College is definitely worth it but it does depend on what you study but it is no longer the safe option it once was. Jobs are just too competitive even in traditional safe area's like programming and engineering. Teaching, nursing and a range of other medical degrees are relatively safe. I think civil engineering might be up there too but I am not sure. A business or humanities degree is certainly a speculative investment. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 LS.. it wasn't luck.. he wasn't lucky.. he worked hard.. he wasn't born with the ability to weld.. he had to learn it and then apply what he learned to make a go of it from there.. not everyone who works hard succeeds though...and not everyone who succeeds works hard. Unfortunately that's the crappy part of working at all. I am just saying he is lucky his business succeeded b/c most don't. I didn't say he didn't work hard. He wasn't born with those skills. But he could have still gotten those skills and still have seen his business fail. Luckily, it didn't. That's why I say "luck". Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 No, I wasn't lucky that I had those skills.....I earned them just like you've earned your degree.....there's a huge difference..... Had I failed, I wouldn't of stopped trying. That, my friend, is the difference between success and failure. Does that answer your question? It's "wouldn't have stopped trying" firstly...I'm such a grammar freak, it's a bit sick- hah. That's what getting an education will do...lol. And what if you tried again and your business failed? And you were living on the street and were miserable? I would assume at some point you would have to work for someone else for a while to get yourself back on your feet again, no? Hypothetical situation, I know, and I'm not one to give up...but there are always those what-ifs. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I don't know what job you could get that would allow you to own a home so quickly unless you're in some sort of engineering or are a trader I can't think of many things that would allow you to own a home by 26. That is only five years out of college at a Maximum. College is definitely worth it but it does depend on what you study but it is no longer the safe option it once was. Jobs are just too competitive even in traditional safe area's like programming and engineering. Teaching, nursing and a range of other medical degrees are relatively safe. I think civil engineering might be up there too but I am not sure. A business or humanities degree is certainly a speculative investment. What if I told you I was a lawyer or a doctor or a teacher? I am not any of those but my job is on that level. There are some big bucks to be made and you can only get jobs like that with a college education. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I don't know what job you could get that would allow you to own a home so quickly unless you're in some sort of engineering or are a trader I can't think of many things that would allow you to own a home by 26. That is only five years out of college at a Maximum. College is definitely worth it but it does depend on what you study but it is no longer the safe option it once was. Jobs are just too competitive even in traditional safe area's like programming and engineering. Teaching, nursing and a range of other medical degrees are relatively safe. I think civil engineering might be up there too but I am not sure. A business or humanities degree is certainly a speculative investment. You do know you have to go to college to become a teacher right? Link to post Share on other sites
Author MaxManwell Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 What if I told you I was a lawyer or a doctor or a teacher? I am not any of those but my job is on that level. There are some big bucks to be made and you can only get jobs like that with a college education. My guess is that you work in HR. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 You know, what really gets on my nerves is the "have nots" type people who whinge and moan and criticise the people they perceive to have more than them, but do nothing to change their situation. Things don't drop in your lap, and if you aren't prepared to get off your butt, quit moaning and put some work towards getting where you want to be, then you can be sure you won't get there. Many people work really hard to get where they are, sure, there are people who inherit things or have it a little easier than others getting to where they are. That is LIFE though. There is always going to be someone with more than you, there is always going to be someone with less. B8tching about it won't change it. Be happy for people who do well- however they have done it, with or without higher education. If its a little different to how you have done it, then be thankful, society doesn't allow for everyone to do the same job for the same pay/ benefits etc- we all have our role to play. Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 You do know you have to go to college to become a teacher right? Not in Georgia...A degree isn't necessary here to be hired as a teacher. but if you want the big bucks you are going to need one.. and a masters to boot to make the top dollar in the teaching profession. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 What if I told you I was a lawyer or a doctor or a teacher? I am not any of those but my job is on that level. There are some big bucks to be made and you can only get jobs like that with a college education. Are you responsible for other peoples lives? Are you responsible for shaping the minds of the future? Not sure your job is on that "level". If your job ceased to exist, I think society could possibly recover. We will always need doctors and teachers though. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Ah. My ex is an English teacher and his grammar is terrible. Go figure. thats what his education did for him./ Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Not in Georgia...A degree isn't necessary here to be hired as a teacher. but if you want the big bucks you are going to need one.. and a masters to boot to make the top dollar in the teaching profession. Well New York Schools are ranked a lot better- Long island has some of the best schools in the country...New York requires you to have a masters to be able to teach. I didn't realise it wasn't universal across the whole country. Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 My guess is that you work in HR. I don't... Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 It's "wouldn't have stopped trying" firstly...I'm such a grammar freak, it's a bit sick- hah. That's what getting an education will do...lol. And what if you tried again and your business failed? And you were living on the street and were miserable? I would assume at some point you would have to work for someone else for a while to get yourself back on your feet again, no? Hypothetical situation, I know, and I'm not one to give up...but there are always those what-ifs.So, since I don't have proper grammer skills, I'm un-educated.....??? that's perfectly fine with me.... If it failed, and I tried and failed again I would continue to try.... IF I ever wound up on the streets, yes I would most likely have to work for someone else.....no skin off my back....that's not really realistic now anyway....the point is luck didn't have anything to do with my success....blood sweat and tears had everything to do with it..... Anything worth doing is not going to be easy..... And as the saying goes, the first million for me was the hardest to make....from there it's easier than walking and chewing gum at the same time..... Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 So, since I don't have proper grammer skills, I'm un-educated.....??? that's perfectly fine with me.... If it failed, and I tried and failed again I would continue to try.... IF I ever wound up on the streets, yes I would most likely have to work for someone else.....no skin off my back....that's not really realistic now anyway....the point is luck didn't have anything to do with my success....blood sweat and tears had everything to do with it..... Anything worth doing is not going to be easy..... And as the saying goes, the first million for me was the hardest to make....from there it's easier than walking and chewing gum at the same time..... But do you think it's easy to work for someone else? B/c it's not... Link to post Share on other sites
Lookingforward Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I don't know what job you could get that would allow you to own a home so quickly unless you're in some sort of engineering or are a trader I can't think of many things that would allow you to own a home by 26. That is only five years out of college at a Maximum. . I'm sure lovestruck is BUYING a home as opposed to OWNING it...... as are most people especially at 26 - yes, if she actually owns it outright at that age, then I WOULD be very surprised...... Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I'm sure lovestruck is BUYING a home as opposed to OWNING it...... as are most people especially at 26 - yes, if she actually owns it outright at that age, then I WOULD be very surprised...... I own a condo...not a house, I should have clarified that yes, but yes, I own it. Did I buy it in cash? No, I took out a loan and I pay a monthly mortgage like most people...but I do own it, no question about that. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 But do you think it's easy to work for someone else? B/c it's not...no kidding.....? Obviously you haven't paid much attention to my posts..... Link to post Share on other sites
hotgurl Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 What if I told you I was a lawyer or a doctor or a teacher? I am not any of those but my job is on that level. There are some big bucks to be made and you can only get jobs like that with a college education. ha ha they start teachers here at 30 grand. Link to post Share on other sites
Lookingforward Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I own a condo...not a house, I should have clarified that yes, but yes, I own it. Did I buy it in cash? No, I took out a loan and I pay a monthly mortgage like most people...but I do own it, no question about that. yes...that's what's known as BUYING a place - mostly the mortgage holder OWNS it honey Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I own a condo...not a house, I should have clarified that yes, but yes, I own it. Did I buy it in cash? No, I took out a loan and I pay a monthly mortgage like most people...but I do own it, no question about that.No you don't. The bank does. I did happen to pay cash for our home, and my mother's home...I don't do payments..... Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 no kidding.....? Obviously you haven't paid much attention to my posts..... Ok, but if you say anything that's not easy is worth doing (which I happen to agree with), why on earth would you not go to college? College is tough. Working for someone else is tough. Would you say those are worth doing? If so, why are they are not something you considered? Link to post Share on other sites
lovestruck818 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 No you don't. The bank does. I did happen to pay cash for our home, and my mother's home...I don't do payments..... well being that you live in Missouri I'm going to go out on a whim here and say your house probably costs/is worth a lot less than mine. Have you looked at average prices for Long Island real estate? Average houses here are going for almost $500,000 these days...and that's in decent neighbourhoods. I know people in other areas of the country who have bought homes for $50,000...and, they are a lot bigger than what one would get here. Furthermore, if the banks owns my home, then everyone else who pays a mortgage on their home also has their home owned by the bank. The terminology I used may be wrong technically but I used to prove a point that most people are not even buying homes @ 26 years old...esp. in this part of the country. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Ok, but if you say anything that's not easy is worth doing (which I happen to agree with), why on earth would you not go to college? College is tough. Working for someone else is tough. Would you say those are worth doing? If so, why are they are not something you considered?Well, if you're assuming that owning a business is easy, you're mistaken. Yes, going to college is worth doing, it's just not something I felt I needed at the time, and who's to say I won't go someday in the future? Don't get me wrong, I respect you and what you've been able to accomplish, however, having a degree and a nice paying job isn't for everyone and certainly doesn't put you above me or anyone else for that matter..... Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 well being that you live in Missouri I'm going to go out on a whim here and say your house probably costs/is worth a lot less than mine.You think? That's a hoot.....really.....perhaps my mother's home is a lot less / worth less.....but she doesn't have five kids either..... I'm not about to tell you how much I have in my home, but I will tell you that you can piss off the back porch without worrying about being shot or arrested....you CAN'T put a price tag on that! Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 well being that you live in Missouri I'm going to go out on a whim here and say your house probably costs/is worth a lot less than mine. Oh come on LoveStruck.. nobody said your house purchase wasn't a good thing but for you to start comparing house price is nuts... here is something to think about.. Moose owns a business with 40 employees.. the base sales per employee as a rough estimate for a business is about $100,000 +- of sales per year per employee.. That would put moose's company in the 4mil per year in sales.. I'm sure he can afford a $500,000 home. Link to post Share on other sites
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