serial muse Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 If he does answer, it'll be with something completely unrelated and off the mark designed to derail the conversation because he can't come up with anything plausible with which to respond. We'll see... Link to post Share on other sites
SugarKiss Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 If he does answer, it'll be with something completely unrelated and off the mark designed to derail the conversation because he can't come up with anything plausible with which to respond. ya, and isn't that what a few of the guys in this conversation have done, piped in to derail the topic? no wonder men make great politicians but thank you to those guys who were able to stay on topic and discuss things maturely and without having to use a scapegoat to avoid the issue Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Actually, Max, what I said was that men and women should hold themselves to the same standards by which they judge others. I never argued that men are worse than women because of biological differences; that's your own hang-up. In other words - if you're going to sleep around with a bunch of people you insist on thinking of as sluts, then how on God's green Earth do you not think you're one too?? You're doing the exact same thing they are. Seriously, this is not so hard to understand: if they're "sluts" because they sleep around casually, and you're also sleeping with them casually, then that makes you a...??? Get it now? They're both in the same boat, so BOTH or NEITHER ought to get the same label. Not just one because of a "biological difference." Alternatively, we could just allow that people can sleep with whomever they want without having to be nastily labeled. And those standard should be applicable on a context decided only by you ? I agree, standards consistency, hold too. I am a reasonably good looking man ( I look particularly good in a shirt too). Imagine I walk up to a woman in a bar and say to her ' I am a little bit horny may I please lick your clit' - I'd get slapped and god knows what else. Say I were a good looking woman and in the same discrete fashion in mid conversation said to a man ' I am a kind of horny want to get out of here and I'll give you a bj' or however you would phrase it. As a woman I would certainly not be rejected often if done sincerely. Can you see why women might be held to higher standards and why it might actually be an even standard ? Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 And those standard should be applicable on a context decided only by you ? I agree, standards consistency, hold too. I am a reasonably good looking man ( I look particularly good in a shirt too). Imagine I walk up to a woman in a bar and say to her ' I am a little bit horny may I please lick your clit' - I'd get slapped and god knows what else. Say I were a good looking woman and in the same discrete fashion in mid conversation said to a man ' I am a kind of horny want to get out of here and I'll give you a bj' or however you would phrase it. As a woman I would certainly not be rejected often if done sincerely. Can you see why women might be held to higher standards and why it might actually be an even standard ? :lmao::lmao: I bet you have no idea why your response is so hilarious, but trust me - it doesn't have anything to do with what I said. If he does answer, it'll be with something completely unrelated and off the mark designed to derail the conversation because he can't come up with anything plausible with which to respond. Okay, you win. Link to post Share on other sites
luvmy2ns Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 :lmao::lmao: I bet you have no idea why your response is so hilarious, but trust me - it doesn't have anything to do with what I said. Okay, you win. So transparent, eh? Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 So you won't refute man would be rejected woman would not be rejected Link to post Share on other sites
luvmy2ns Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 So you won't refute man would be rejected woman would not be rejected Why should anyone entertain any of your questions when you never answer anyone else's? Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 So you won't refute man would be rejected woman would not be rejected Eh, I think I just don't care anymore. Your "argument" has nothing to do with mine; you're just arguing to argue, so why should I bother? Waste of time. Besides, you obviously are one of the (I think rare) people who sees a double-standard as A-OK. So, I'm not going to change your mind. But here's a parting thought - your philosophy of men and women isn't working for you. Is it so awful to think that maybe it's due for a revision? Anyhoo, good luck with yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Why should anyone entertain any of your questions when you never answer anyone else's? What questions haven't I answered? Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Eh, I think I just don't care anymore. Your "argument" has nothing to do with mine; you're just arguing to argue, so why should I bother? Waste of time. Besides, you obviously are one of the (I think rare) people who sees a double-standard as A-OK. So, I'm not going to change your mind. But here's a parting thought - your philosophy of men and women isn't working for you. Is it so awful to think that maybe it's due for a revision? Anyhoo, good luck with yourself. Typical you're wrong so now you are going to do the typical womanly thing and not admit it. Link to post Share on other sites
luvmy2ns Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Eh, I think I just don't care anymore. Your "argument" has nothing to do with mine; you're just arguing to argue, so why should I bother? Waste of time. Besides, you obviously are one of the (I think rare) people who sees a double-standard as A-OK. So, I'm not going to change your mind. But here's a parting thought - your philosophy of men and women isn't working for you. Is it so awful to think that maybe it's due for a revision? Anyhoo, good luck with yourself. LMAO! Yeah. He's had no woman in his life, and he probably has no idea why. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Typical you're wrong so now you are going to do the typical womanly thing and not admit it. Max, I'm not wrong that you behave like a hypocrite. It's just that you don't see it as being hypocritical - you see it as okay to treat men and women in vastly different ways. I think that's crappy and wrongheaded and fundamentally undermines the integrity of people of both genders. You think it's fine (for some crazy reason). So there's nothing more to talk about. Like I said, good luck with yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 LMAO! Yeah. He's had no woman in his life, and he probably has no idea why. I really don't and for the record I'd like to date a bar slut because at least that way I'd be getting something, and for free. Link to post Share on other sites
Stockalone Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 LMAO! Yeah. He's had no woman in his life, and he probably has no idea why. Except for those he pays... Not that I agree with Max, but do you think laughing at him does help to change his mind. Sure, he doesn't ask for help so that he might have a better understanding of why things are the way they are. But still, isn't laughing just as disrespectful as what the guys who bang the barchicks do? Typical you're wrong so now you are going to do the typical womanly thing and not admit it. I really don't and for the record I'd like to date a bar slut because at least that way I'd be getting something, and for free. Did you always view women like this or did this attitude develop over time as a result of getting rejected for reasons you don't understand? I am not trying to put you down, I am just curious. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Except for those he pays... Not that I agree with Max, but do you think laughing at him does help to change his mind. Sure, he doesn't ask for help so that he might have a better understanding of why things are the way they are. But still, isn't laughing just as disrespectful as what the guys who bang the barchicks do? I understand your point, Stock, but I don't think it's equivalent. For one thing, I'm not pointing fingers at a faceless group and judging them in an arbitrary way; just at one specific guy who has said some rather insulting things. But more importantly, I think that dignifying someone's irrational foolishness with rational argument is giving it more power than it deserves. So I'd rather laugh at it. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 But it is so simple. Women control when sex happens. Therefore place the onus of enforcing standards on them. Not a double standard, just a standard. Like women wear dresses and boys can't. Link to post Share on other sites
luvmy2ns Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Except for those he pays... Not that I agree with Max, but do you think laughing at him does help to change his mind. Sure, he doesn't ask for help so that he might have a better understanding of why things are the way they are. But still, isn't laughing just as disrespectful as what the guys who bang the barchicks do?/quote] It's impossible to have a discussion when you ask a question and he never answers, so how do you propose any "changing of mind" is even a possibility? I have a hard time with ANYONE talking about poor, poor Max being 'disrespected' after having read the "women are nothing but meat" post he put up that was deleted by the mods. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I understand your point, Stock, but I don't think it's equivalent. For one thing, I'm not pointing fingers at a faceless group and judging them in an arbitrary way; just at one specific guy who has said some rather insulting things. But more importantly, I think that dignifying someone's irrational foolishness with rational argument is giving it more power than it deserves. So I'd rather laugh at it. But you refuse to look at any point of view aside from your own. The only discussion has been you girls agreeing with each other and you girls deal only in absolutes. No measure of individual accountability you simplify the issue to a case of men being jerks. Women should be held to a higher level of accountability in sleeping around at bars. You won't hear a word of that and I guess like me you are your own worst enemy. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Except for those he pays... Not that I agree with Max, but do you think laughing at him does help to change his mind. Sure, he doesn't ask for help so that he might have a better understanding of why things are the way they are. But still, isn't laughing just as disrespectful as what the guys who bang the barchicks do?/quote] It's impossible to have a discussion when you ask a question and he never answers, so how do you propose any "changing of mind" is even a possibility? I have a hard time with ANYONE talking about poor, poor Max being 'disrespected' after having read the "women are nothing but meat" post he put up that was deleted by the mods. I never said nothing but meat. You can't even quote me right. Link to post Share on other sites
luvmy2ns Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 But you refuse to look at any point of view aside from your own. The only discussion has been you girls agreeing with each other and you girls deal only in absolutes. No measure of individual accountability you simplify the issue to a case of men being jerks. Women should be held to a higher level of accountability in sleeping around at bars. You won't hear a word of that and I guess like me you are your own worst enemy. No. We simplify the issue to "everyone should be treated equally" and "don't expect others to do things that you aren't willing to do yourself." It's called NOT being a hypocrite. In case you don't understand, here's a helpful link for you. Pay close attention to definition #2: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite How f'ing hard is that? Link to post Share on other sites
luvmy2ns Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I never said nothing but meat. You can't even quote me right. It ended with, "...but they are still just a piece of meat after all." I think I was right on the money. WAY over the top offensive. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Except for those he pays... Not that I agree with Max, but do you think laughing at him does help to change his mind. Sure, he doesn't ask for help so that he might have a better understanding of why things are the way they are. But still, isn't laughing just as disrespectful as what the guys who bang the barchicks do? Did you always view women like this or did this attitude develop over time as a result of getting rejected for reasons you don't understand? I am not trying to put you down, I am just curious. I guess I just got discouraged and women out there are so rude to men that try to date them if they don't think you're perfect. I never had a good run with women in school either so I guess I just gave up. I don't mean to but it feels like most women don't really care about men at all. Then they throw everything they don't like back in our faces. They have so many opportunities that men don't, and they don't realize either the double standards that they hold us to at the same time they scream bloody murder when something doesn't go their way. For a lot of people it is probably just normal and the accept things like this but I never understood people very well and whatever reason it is that makes us accept the behavior of some women in this world I'll never understand. I've met some really good women and recently I'd say I almost loved a girl who was fantastic even though she had her problems she had a good heart. So I don't have a problem with women which is just a typical fem-nazi knee jerk response so much as I have trouble relating to and forming a relationship with them. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxManwell Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 No. We simplify the issue to "everyone should be treated equally" and "don't expect others to do things that you aren't willing to do yourself." It's called NOT being a hypocrite. In case you don't understand, here's a helpful link for you. Pay close attention to definition #2: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite How f'ing hard is that? That is a jingoistic and chauvinistic response with no baring on reality at all. Moral absolutes without context once again. Link to post Share on other sites
Stockalone Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 It's impossible to have a discussion when you ask a question and he never answers, so how do you propose any "changing of mind" is even a possibility? I have a hard time with ANYONE talking about poor, poor Max being 'disrespected' after having read the "women are nothing but meat" post he put up that was deleted by the mods. I didn't read the meat post, but I think I get the point. That is also why I asked Max if he always thought of women like that. In case of the "emotional damaged" women, the consensus seems to be that something terrible must have happened to those women to behave the way they do. In the same way, I tend to give men the benefit of the doubt. I don't think all men are born as pigs (thinking women are only good for giving sexual pleasure to a man) and that men would like nothing better than oppress women until the end of days. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 But you refuse to look at any point of view aside from your own. The only discussion has been you girls agreeing with each other and you girls deal only in absolutes. No measure of individual accountability you simplify the issue to a case of men being jerks. Oh dear. You haven't been reading my posts. Actually, I never said that at all. I've been saying it's individual, not absolute. You've been saying it is absolute. Me: Don't be a hypocrite; do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. You: All women should be held to a different standard than all men, because they just should and that's that. See the difference? The fact is, I would never say anything like "men are jerks." Feel free to search my posts. I don't write that type of stuff; what I argue and have always argued is that both genders should be held to the same standard. That's not something that you agree with, however, as you said: Women should be held to a higher level of accountability in sleeping around at bars. And then this: You won't hear a word of that and I guess like me you are your own worst enemy. What I won't hear a word of is this nonsense that women should be held to a higher level of accountability. But I'm doing fine with my philosophy, and I'm quite happy with the idea that men and women have equal access to their abilities to think, judge and assess others. I like thinking of people as individuals, because that's who they are. I think it's just easier for you to characterize this as me saying "men are jerks," because you don't see how someone can simply find your - individual - beliefs appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think of what other men, or women for that matter, are saying. Anyone who's willing to hold themselves EQUALLY accountable is okay by me. The trouble is, you don't. See above. Most men and women are cool; some women are jerks, some men are jerks. That's how it goes. I think you're having difficulty grasping that. Link to post Share on other sites
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