Bar chicks worth banging, not worth dating

[luvmy2ns]

That is a jingoistic and chauvinistic response with no baring on reality at all.

 

Moral absolutes without context once again.

 

No. It's NON-chauvenistic expecting that we all hold ourselves to the expectations we place on others AND expecting equal treatment for BOTH men and women BY both men and women.

[dreamergrl]

I don't care if it's male or female, I think gender generalization is just straight out wrong. What is the point in posting in this forum if your that dead set against trying to understand why you have so many issues regarding the opposite sex? There is none, and all it does is get everyone worked up. I wish those who come here to make statements like Max has (male or female) would just go else where.

[MaxManwell]

I don't understand why you don't like the idea that men and women are different and that they should be treated differently.

[MaxManwell]

Oh dear. You haven't been reading my posts. Actually, I never said that at all. I've been saying it's individual, not absolute. You've been saying it is absolute.

 

Me: Don't be a hypocrite; do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.

 

You: All women should be held to a different standard than all men, because they just should and that's that.

 

See the difference?

 

The fact is, I would never say anything like "men are jerks." Feel free to search my posts. I don't write that type of stuff; what I argue and have always argued is that both genders should be held to the same standard.

 

That's not something that you agree with, however, as you said:

 

 

 

And then this:

 

 

 

What I won't hear a word of is this nonsense that women should be held to a higher level of accountability. But I'm doing fine with my philosophy, and I'm quite happy with the idea that men and women have equal access to their abilities to think, judge and assess others. I like thinking of people as individuals, because that's who they are.

 

I think it's just easier for you to characterize this as me saying "men are jerks," because you don't see how someone can simply find your - individual - beliefs appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think of what other men, or women for that matter, are saying. Anyone who's willing to hold themselves EQUALLY accountable is okay by me. The trouble is, you don't. See above.

 

Most men and women are cool; some women are jerks, some men are jerks. That's how it goes. I think you're having difficulty grasping that.

 

Most of that is well written tit for tat name calling and word twisting

 

The only thing of substance is that you think men and women should be treated the same. Well I do think that is very silly and dangerous.

 

Can you give me a good reason why men and women should be treated the same, given they're so obviously different ?

[dreamergrl]

I don't understand why you don't like the idea that men and women are different and that they should be treated differently.

 

Why do you think women should be treated less then equal? Why should women be treated with the lack of respect you give them? What makes you so much better then us?

[J2FT1]

Actually, Max, what I said was that men and women should hold themselves to the same standards by which they judge others. I never argued that men are worse than women because of biological differences; that's your own hang-up.

 

In other words - if you're going to sleep around with a bunch of people you insist on thinking of as sluts, then how on God's green Earth do you not think you're one too?? You're doing the exact same thing they are.

 

Seriously, this is not so hard to understand: if they're "sluts" because they sleep around casually, and you're also sleeping with them casually, then that makes you a...???

 

Get it now? They're both in the same boat, so BOTH or NEITHER ought to get the same label. Not just one because of a "biological difference."

 

Alternatively, we could just allow that people can sleep with whomever they want without having to be nastily labeled.

 

How is the guy a slut when it's his job to find a mate? A women's job is to be found. So when a women does what a man does (in the case of sex), she is called a slut because it's out of the norm for a women to do it. Just like if a guy does his hair, puts on makeup, and other things that females do.

 

If a woman told a bunch of women that she has a lot of sex partners, they would call her a slut. If a man told a bunch of guys that he has a lot of sex partners, they would praise him. So even women put it on themselves, not just men. In an ideal world, women and men are treated the same, but this is reality.

 

If a man has to do heavy lifting because he's a man, should the women that does the checking off boxes get paid the same? No, but they do because they understand that women can't lift because of their body structure.

 

Should women and men get paid the same in professional sports because it's "fair?" Even when the male sports generate more revenue and more excitement?

 

Should a women get hired just because of her looks? No, but sex sells.

 

Would you consider it strange if a woman goes out and works while the man stays home and take care of the kids? NO. If someone heard this, they would assume the man is taking advantage of the woman. But not the other way around.

 

Women claims to want equality but in truth, they just want the best of both worlds. Men are fine doing the men's part, not like women.

 

So you want the guy to pay for your movie ticket, but you get to weigh in on the movie to see? Bullcrap.

 

The reason "race" and "equality" between races was such an issue because we are all humans, so we should all be treated like humans. Just because a man treats a women like a women (opens door for her, pay for her ticket, makes the decisions are many things, final say) doesn't mean he's inhumane, he's normal.

 

There are different standards for men and women because we are different. If you (female) sleeps with a lot of guys, you will be called a slut. If a guy sleeps with a lot of girls, he's called a player (this could be bad or good).Get over it. Women can't suddenly become the alpha mate in 50 years, maybe a million (talking about evolution)...

[luvmy2ns]

Both men and women have free will and a brain. Therefore, in the BEHAVIOR department, they should be expected to behave with as much honesty and integrity as each other. BEHAVIOR. Not the fact that men stand up to pee and women sit down.

[J2FT1]

Why do you think women should be treated less then equal? Why should women be treated with the lack of respect you give them? What makes you so much better then us?

 

Women aren't treated less equal, just differently. Because they are women.

[J2FT1]

Both men and women have free will and a brain. Therefore, in the BEHAVIOR department, they should be expected to behave with as much honesty and integrity as each other. BEHAVIOR. Not the fact that men stand up to pee and women sit down.

 

yes, they both have free will and brains, but it's used for different things. Try to refute some of my examples. In a relationship, if the woman is not a bit submissive to the man, it will not last. This is generally speaking. If the woman excepts her role in life (like the men), they marriages would not end in divorce all the time.

[J2FT1]

I was thinking... about luvmy2ns's comment about men and women peeing. Why the heck do women always insist and expect that when the men finished peeing, he should put the seat down? If he doesn't do this then he's not a gentleman right? LMFAO, funny how your own comments serve as evidence for my psot.

[luvmy2ns]

yes, they both have free will and brains, but it's used for different things. Try to refute some of my examples. In a relationship, if the woman is not a bit submissive to the man, it will not last. This is generally speaking. If the woman excepts her role in life (like the men), they marriages would not end in divorce all the time.

 

Wake up and smell the year 2008. Back when women were "happy" being "submissive" to their men, the men brought home the bacon by themselves.

 

And I have an odd feeling that you've never been married.

[luvmy2ns]

I was thinking... about luvmy2ns's comment about men and women peeing. Why the heck do women always insist and expect that when the men finished peeing, he should put the seat down? If he doesn't do this then he's not a gentleman right? LMFAO, funny how your own comments serve as evidence for my psot.

 

Evidence? Did I say "pee standing up (and he damn well better put the f'ing seat down!)? Didn't THINK so.

[dreamergrl]

How is the guy a slut when it's his job to find a mate? A women's job is to be found. So when a women does what a man does (in the case of sex), she is called a slut because it's out of the norm for a women to do it. Just like if a guy does his hair, puts on makeup, and other things that females do.

 

There's a huge difference between sex and "hair and makeup". And who's to say it has to be the guys job to find the mate? What's wrong with a woman finding herself a mate?

 

If a woman told a bunch of women that she has a lot of sex partners, they would call her a slut. If a man told a bunch of guys that he has a lot of sex partners, they would praise him. So even women put it on themselves, not just men. In an ideal world, women and men are treated the same, but this is reality.

 

You are generalizing, that's not how it goes in every group of men and women. Plus, that has more to do with how "society" thinks then "evolution".

 

If a man has to do heavy lifting because he's a man, should the women that does the checking off boxes get paid the same? No, but they do because they understand that women can't lift because of their body structure.

 

Not every man can lift more then every woman. It's different, depending on the person, the job, the situation. You can't group like that.

 

 

 

Should a women get hired just because of her looks? No, but sex sells.

 

Should a woman get hired over a man because she can do the job better?

 

Would you consider it strange if a woman goes out and works while the man stays home and take care of the kids? NO. If someone heard this, they would assume the man is taking advantage of the woman. But not the other way around.

 

It's not that uncommon anymore for the woman or both parents to be out working verses the "stay at home mom" routine.

 

Women claims to want equality but in truth, they just want the best of both worlds. Men are fine doing the men's part, not like women.

 

I don't know about other people on here, but my bf isn't expected to pay. We treat each other, or split things.

 

So you want the guy to pay for your movie ticket, but you get to weigh in on the movie to see? Bullcrap.

[luvmy2ns]

So you want the guy to pay for your movie ticket, but you get to weigh in on the movie to see? Bullcrap.

 

You told me to answer an example, so I chose above.

 

No. I do NOT expect a man to pay for my movie ticket. I expect whoever asked the other out to pay and yes - I have done the asking AND the paying. Unless, however, you're in a relationship. I just try to make sure one or the other isn't doing all the paying when I'm in a committed relationship. AND we BOTH choose the movie so that we are BOTH happy.

 

Get it?

[dreamergrl]

yes, they both have free will and brains, but it's used for different things. Try to refute some of my examples. In a relationship, if the woman is not a bit submissive to the man, it will not last. This is generally speaking. If the woman excepts her role in life (like the men), they marriages would not end in divorce all the time.

 

OMG I know you did not just blame divorce on women.

 

I know this is going to be hard for you to understand, but not all men share your lines of thinking.

 

I was thinking... about luvmy2ns's comment about men and women peeing. Why the heck do women always insist and expect that when the men finished peeing, he should put the seat down? If he doesn't do this then he's not a gentleman right? LMFAO, funny how your own comments serve as evidence for my psot.

 

And how would a man feel if a woman left a tampon floating in the toilet? It's about doing things out of consideration.

 

Wake up and smell the year 2008. Back when women were "happy" being "submissive" to their men, the men brought home the bacon by themselves.

 

And I have an odd feeling that you've never been married.

 

I agree!

[SugarKiss]

How is the guy a slut when it's his job to find a mate? A women's job is to be found. So when a women does what a man does (in the case of sex), she is called a slut because it's out of the norm for a women to do it. Just like if a guy does his hair, puts on makeup, and other things that females do.

 

If a woman told a bunch of women that she has a lot of sex partners, they would call her a slut. If a man told a bunch of guys that he has a lot of sex partners, they would praise him. So even women put it on themselves, not just men. In an ideal world, women and men are treated the same, but this is reality.

 

If a man has to do heavy lifting because he's a man, should the women that does the checking off boxes get paid the same? No, but they do because they understand that women can't lift because of their body structure.

 

Should women and men get paid the same in professional sports because it's "fair?" Even when the male sports generate more revenue and more excitement?

 

Should a women get hired just because of her looks? No, but sex sells.

 

Would you consider it strange if a woman goes out and works while the man stays home and take care of the kids? NO. If someone heard this, they would assume the man is taking advantage of the woman. But not the other way around.

 

Women claims to want equality but in truth, they just want the best of both worlds. Men are fine doing the men's part, not like women.

 

So you want the guy to pay for your movie ticket, but you get to weigh in on the movie to see? Bullcrap.

 

The reason "race" and "equality" between races was such an issue because we are all humans, so we should all be treated like humans. Just because a man treats a women like a women (opens door for her, pay for her ticket, makes the decisions are many things, final say) doesn't mean he's inhumane, he's normal.

 

There are different standards for men and women because we are different. If you (female) sleeps with a lot of guys, you will be called a slut. If a guy sleeps with a lot of girls, he's called a player (this could be bad or good).Get over it. Women can't suddenly become the alpha mate in 50 years, maybe a million (talking about evolution)...

 

 

No you are not different tha different actually and some of you are just chauvenistic and up until the feminst revolution you had your say and things had to be played your way and that was that, well it's not so like that anyomore so YOU get over it, because you are calling "easy" women sluts and at the end of the day the women you end up in a long term relationships with are just as big a slut if not bigger but you will never know. trust me on that one!! and there ain't no way you ever know for sure but if it makes you feel more confident and more confortable and eases your psyche that we lie to you and show you we are good girls instead of "bar sleeze" then by all means let's all have a game of charades, yippeeee! it's fun to play pretend and if I can gets my jollies off as much as I want between relationshios and it lands me a long term relationship to play innocent when I do meet the right guy then who am I to try to go against a little white lying here and there?

 

 

the bottom line here is the women that are very open about their sexuality, ie let other people see that they are very in tune with their sexuality are not sluts they are "dumb" (no offense to any women at all I am just trying to make my point) but the smart woman just hides it really really well and continues on the be the good "slut" that she is, without any man catching on. and if she wants to land a guy for a long term relationship status she lays on the good girl act even thicker. so the joke is on the men who adhere to labeling women and "look" for good girls while they themselves do excatly what they fault women to do because you don't even get a good girl you just get a smart one that knows how to hide it well. as I am sure you also downplay how many sexual partners you've had if you were a total player...

[J2FT1]

Wake up and smell the year 2008. Back when women were "happy" being "submissive" to their men, the men brought home the bacon by themselves.

 

And I have an odd feeling that you've never been married.

 

This is true. But see, the men still doing their roles in 2008. Women are trying to do the men's roles, but won't their own?

 

No I have never been married but we have never seen an atom either and we how it works...

 

 

Evidence? Did I say "pee standing up (and he damn well better put the f'ing seat down!)? Didn't THINK so.

 

I meant that women expect men to put the seat down. Wtf? We're equal so do it yourself.

[SugarKiss]

 

 

I meant that women expect men to put the seat down. Wtf? We're equal so do it yourself.

 

 

It's not about a gender role, it's about being considerate for your partner.

but of course if that has to be explained to you then I really don't think there is much to discuss in the way of this entire discussion.

 

again it does not surprise that you feel something like leaving the seat should not be the man's job, when you were the first to put it up!?!?

 

If I walk into your house would you not expect me to close the door behind me? it's not about being a man or woman it is about respect for another human being, the unreasonable human being would expect YOU to drop what you are doing no matter where you are in the house and come up to the door to close the door after them.

 

that is how respect for other works, something you clearly fail to grasp.

[J2FT1]

There's a huge difference between sex and "hair and makeup". And who's to say it has to be the guys job to find the mate? What's wrong with a woman finding herself a mate?.

 

No there's not. Not in terms of what the roles of each sex is. Do you ever see men dressing up so women hits on them?

 

 

 

You are generalizing, that's not how it goes in every group of men and women. Plus, that has more to do with how "society" thinks then "evolution". .

 

they are one in the same; the way society thinks is BECAUSE of evolution.

 

 

 

Not every man can lift more then every woman. It's different, depending on the person, the job, the situation. You can't group like that.

 

You serious? Yes you can. A male and female in the same weight class..who will be stronger?

 

 

 

 

Should a woman get hired over a man because she can do the job better?

 

Yes, in an ideal world this would happen. Sexy correspondents these days, huh? Just a coincidence that its the same in every network...

 

 

It's not that uncommon anymore for the woman or both parents to be out working verses the "stay at home mom" routine.

 

You're missing point. If a woman stays at home, it is not considered taking advantage of the man because it's the man's "role" to work and provide for the family.

 

 

 

I don't know about other people on here, but my bf isn't expected to pay. We treat each other, or split things.

 

Would you be cool if he barely ever payed? A lot of men pay all the time for their gfs.

[luvmy2ns]

I meant that women expect men to put the seat down. Wtf? We're equal so do it yourself.

 

Just leave things the way you found 'em lest you be considered a slob. And that goes for both men AND women. If a woman goes to the bathroom in your house and she finds the seat up, please feel free to ask her to put it back up when she's done.

[SugarKiss]

furthermore, do you know why I think some of you men dislike and put down "slutty" women and it's not so much about the fact that they are sexual too soon...I think it is because men feel threatened that if they end up dating a really sexual woman she will cheat on him with another man, his ego does not allow him the idea of falling in love with such woman because his power would be instantly shot he would be scared to bits wondering when she will turn around and stick it to him hence he would have no power at all over her from the get-go.

 

so then he marries the "good girl" who suprisingly enough a few years into the marriage becomes totally disinterested in sex all together.

[BUENG1]

furthermore, do you know why I think some of you men dislike and put down "slutty" women and it's not so much about the fact that they are sexual too soon...I think it is because men feel threatened that if they end up dating a really sexual woman she will cheat on him with another man, his ego does not allow him the idea of falling in love with such woman because his power would be instantly shot he would be scared to bits wondering when she will turn around and stick it to him hence he would have no power at all over her from the get-go.

 

so then he marries the "good girl" who suprisingly enough a few years into the marriage becomes totally disinterested in sex all together.

 

Not wanting to be cheated on is a perfectly reasonable reason not to get involved in a relationship with someone. It boggles my mind how someone could think is somehow immoral or unreasonable.

[luvmy2ns]

furthermore, do you know why I think some of you men dislike and put down "slutty" women

 

I personally think it's because THESE two aren't the ones getting chosen to be worked over by the so-called "slutty girl." MM says he has to pay to get laid...

[J2FT1]

It's not about a gender role, it's about being considerate for your partner.

but of course if that has to be explained to you then I really don't think there is much to discuss in the way of this entire discussion.

 

again it does not surprise that you feel something like leaving the seat should not be the man's job, when you were the first to put it up!?!?

 

If I walk into your house would you not expect me to close the door behind me? it's not about being a man or woman it is about respect for another human being, the unreasonable human being would expect YOU to drop what you are doing no matter where you are in the house and come up to the door to close the door after them.

 

that is how respect for other works, something you clearly fail to grasp.

 

Well usually the person that does the showing of the house comes in AFTER! That's manners. And the guy gets out of the car and has to open all the door for the female, blah blah blah. Would he be rude for not opening the door for the female on a special occasion? Is it rude if female refuses to open the door for the male?

[dreamergrl]

No there's not. Not in terms of what the roles of each sex is. Do you ever see men dressing up so women hits on them?

 

Guys never do anything to try and impress women?

 

 

 

 

 

they are one in the same; the way society thinks is BECAUSE of evolution.

 

An opinion is formed by a person, and branches off. People choose which opinion to take based off of others.

 

 

 

 

 

You serious? Yes you can. A male and female in the same weight class..who will be stronger?

 

Even if the man is stronger, that doesn't always make him the better worker.

 

 

Yes, in an ideal world this would happen. Sexy correspondents these days, huh? Just a coincidence that its the same in every network...

 

It's not an ideal world, it's quite apparent that the women's role in the professional world is much greater then it used to be.

 

 

You're missing point. If a woman stays at home, it is not considered taking advantage of the man because it's the man's "role" to work and provide for the family.

 

And who here has claimed the man would be taking advantage of the woman if she was working?

 

 

Would you be cool if he barely ever payed? A lot of men pay all the time for their gfs.

 

It's their choice, and I have mine. That shows that not all women are the same. Not all men are the same. Get it??