I heard from Denver guy

[ohhowwelaughed]

Wow, yaay me!!!

 

My, it is a small world isn't it? So how did YOU find this thread? I got an email this morning saying "Hey! What's this about? Is she really a stalker?" and a link to this thread. You?

 

Oh, about 6 months ago I thought to myself "I wonder what is up with people I used to know". I looked up DG's webpage, thought the blonde hair looked freakish and was surprise to see a link to your blog. I checked it out and got on with life. Today I just thought I'd go have another look and there was a link here, so I'm afraid I'm not the tattle.

[Trialbyfire]

See you guys what I just told you?

 

Now is fear tactic, intrigues, and intimidation.

 

I'm the crazy lady that is going to shoot Denver guy now.

Woman, will you open your eyes and start reading clearly? Read the NPD links. Take a good hard look at his website. What does he value? HIMSELF, above all!! Who the hell do you know who devotes an entire website about himself, mostly pictures of himself?

 

Edit - This guy makes my ex-H look like an unselfish martyr.

[whichwayisup]

A, don't say stuff like that.

 

It's time for you to sit and read your whole thread. Let your son read it, see what he thinks. Maybe your mom too. Really think about what we've all been telling you, let it sink in and TRY to see the other side of this, the reality side, NOT the fantasy side that you've built up about DG.

[DollGirlfriend]

Aside from all of this business. Doll, you should research NPD and how to remove yourself (physically and emotionally) from it.

 

Many, many thanks to TrialByFire for posting those links so I didn't have to look like an idiot going "Uh... so what's NPD?"

 

After all that you have been through. Physically leaving might just be the start of the removal process. Get educated as to his psychology and how to counter it.

 

Thanks, Underpants. I really appreciate your kindness, and you're right. Up until this morning, when I found out he was contacting A again, I thought "Well, he's a nice guy with some problems and things just didn't work out. No big hurry moving out. We might even still be friends." and essentially blaming myself for being unable to deal with his mother replacement, D and accept him for needing that.

 

And then I found out he'd gone right back to A for ego stroking even though it has ruined her life in the past, and he KNOWS it, and realized, yeah. Not so much on the still friends part. Not so much on the nice guy part. No, actually, he's a total schmuck. I have got to get out of here.

 

*deep breath* this is going to suck, but things work out how they're supposed to. I can open an office and find a place to live with two dogs. Yeppers.

 

The timing was all really weird too. I should've been at work today (at the doll store. Kind of an alcoholic working in a liquor store thing, that. But I love it so very much.) but I have this terrible head cold and had a fever and they told me to stay home.

 

Otherwise I would've missed this all and wouldn't have come to some pretty important realizations.

 

Like I need to get the heck out of Dodge. Pronto! So thank you. All of you (even you, Marlena) for helping me when I didn't even know I needed the help.

 

Tomorrow I'll be at work (I feel so much better! A day in bed, typing and learning that maybe the relationship falling apart wasn't ALL my fault was just what the doctor ordered!), and I can't say I expect I'll spend a lot of time on this forum (though, I'm single now. I guess you never know. I've never been on a relationship forum before. Hu.) but this has been really helpful for me.

 

I want everyone to get better from this.

 

Well, Underpants, don't worry about me. My life will be AWESOME, it's just going to take a little work to get there. Sounds like OHWL's life is pretty good.

 

Ariadne... well, she'll learn. It took me two years of living with him. Sounds like it was two years for OHWL too... so maybe A needs two years of DG with no girlfriend interference to see the truth? Good luck with that, A.

[Trialbyfire]

You're welcome DGf. I was once married to an NPDer. They can be addictive mofos loaded with charm, polish, humour, intelligence and good looks.

 

But...

 

The manipulation...wow...really bad when you can see it for what it is. When you're wearing rose-coloured glasses, you don't.

[underpants]

Edit - This guy makes my ex-H look like an unselfish martyr.

 

My ex would be jealous. He is clearly an amateur.

 

Gosh, how do these people evolve to this?

[ohhowwelaughed]

I got to hear all the horrible ways OHWL abused and used him, and was there when she finally got the email he'd sent her telling her it was over (which was like 2 days after he'd sent it, and he talked to her on the phone between when he sent the email and when she read it, and didn't mention a word of it. If I remember right.)

 

I was over at his house visiting when she came in to get her stuff. I hid out in one of the downstairs rooms, because it just seemed unwise to be there. Especially since I had heard how awful she was.

 

(I am so sorry, OHWL. At the time I believed him, and I should've known better. And now, I can only hope that someday, the girls he tells horrible stories about ME will know better. But they probably won't. I didn't just fill his closet with horsies.... I filled the whole house with creepy dolls. BWAHAHAHA!)

 

He tends to kiss and tell.

 

A lot.

 

Because it makes him feel studly to have all these women around, and yet he can spin the "and then she broke my heart" thing into making you want to make it all right for him.

 

And OHWL WAS a bit of a trophy. She was a cutie (and probably still is if she hasn't suffered an industrial accident or anything).

 

No industrial accident

 

I'm sure the stories about me make me out to be terrible. I didn't realize until I was well out of the situation that one of his ploys is to encourage people to develop financial dependence on him and then to play to victim "everyone uses me for my money". At first I thought he really was a victim of all these terrible people, but it was pretty obvious by the time I left that this is a situation he strives to create. Thankfully I missed the whole "movie" period.

 

He was an ******* to my dog and I really should have left at that point. Oh well.

 

The good news is that I'm married for 8 years now and live on a little farm, and all is good with the world. It turns out you don't have to put up with that crap.

[Trialbyfire]

Gosh, how do these people evolve to this?

Reverse Darwinism?

[ohhowwelaughed]

Yeah, I know who you are too.

 

You went to Mexico with him, ha?

 

I remember that this was one of those times when Wendy decided that she loved him after all, so she moved in with him, and he dumped you just like that after two years.

 

Oh no, I was dumped for Darlene. And what a catch she is.

[Ariadne]

Oh no, I was dumped for Darlene. And what a catch she is.

 

Is he good in bed?

[allina]

Why is DG'd gf's word golden around here? Rarely do people have great things to say about their ex after a broken engagement. And how is DG suddenly the devil here? What did he do?

 

His ex made him forward the emails to her and that's what he did trying to make it work with her. Now that he can, he has contact with Ariadne again, as a friend, soul mate or less, whatever.

[Touche]

Wow, what a read.

 

Ok, first to doll...you really need to show some class and take down the pics of A. I can totally understand why you did it but you need to take them down. Seriously.

 

You seem like a reasonable woman. So please do the right thing.

 

As for DG. I just don't get it. I agree with the NPD assessment. No question. Plus, no offense to some of you ladies but he's.... He looks like Frankenstein to me. And I've told A that before. He doesn't remind me of that Fabio guy at all. He actually reminds me of an uglier and more boring version (if that's possible) of John Tesh. :sick:

 

He's full of himself and only about himself. He doesn't give a crap about who he hurts. He's disgusting. He's not a real man. His web site and his stupid videos are laughable and very self-indulgent.

 

Frankly, and no offense to some of you ladies, I question anyone who would be attracted to the man.

 

He's a phony. And any real woman would see right through this type in a new york minute.

 

He's gross. I wouldn't even give him a minute of my time.

 

Sorry, A. You know I love you but you can surely do better than this animal.

 

He's a poser if I ever saw one.

[DollGirlfriend]

Oh no, I was dumped for Darlene. And what a catch she is.

 

*snort* OMG, I think I love you.

 

She's still around, though there's "nothing going on" between them. Even though they share a room with only one bed at the film market each year, and he runs like a puppy whenever she snaps her fingers.

 

And he giggles on the phone. Ewww.

 

She was actually a huge self-confidence problem for me. I kept looking at her picture thinking "Really? That's better than me? She gave him a three page list of everything wrong with him, and that's better than me? He told me she doesn't bathe. She's ugly. And that's better than I am? What kind of hideous monster AM I?" Until I realized that she's his mother. Seriously, she called and left a message on the machine while I was working in the office, and right after that his mother called and left a message. And for the first time, I realized, they sound the same. Same vocal quality, same speech pattern, same tone. And THEN I realized, they look alike. A LOT a like.

 

And that was when I decided it was time to go. Because I am never, EVER going to be able to come between a boy and his mother substitute. And that's a sick relationship I do not EVEN want to deal with.

 

Anyway....

 

No industrial accident

 

Glad to hear it.

 

I'm sure the stories about me make me out to be terrible.

 

I might have to stay on this forum just to hear Ariadne report the horrible stories he tells her about me. Can't wait.

 

I didn't realize until I was well out of the situation that one of his ploys is to encourage people to develop financial dependence on him and then to play to victim "everyone uses me for my money". At first I thought he really was a victim of all these terrible people, but it was pretty obvious by the time I left that this is a situation he strives to create. Thankfully I missed the whole "movie" period.

 

The movie thing hasn't helped things at all. He's throwing money at people who don't deserve it and backing the movies of people who are stupid. 90% of what he works on never gets finished, and the only reason he's going to be in this "Highwayman" piece of dung is because Darlene is producing it (and he's tall).

 

Wow are you dead on in your assessment, though. Dead. On. Wow.

 

He was an ******* to my dog and I really should have left at that point. Oh well.

 

Wait, you had a dog? I never heard about the dog. In fact, when MY dogs moved in he said there hadn't been dogs here.

 

What did he do to your dog?

 

That is one good thing. He's been pretty good to my doggies, even if Darlene calls them "The animal problem". But she's super allergic to them, and hates that they can't film movies here now because they're here and they bark. (shrug) Soon enough we'll be gone. But she's going to have a hard time finding a part of this house not covered in dog hair. What can I say? Keeshonds shed. >

 

The good news is that I'm married for 8 years now and live on a little farm, and all is good with the world. It turns out you don't have to put up with that crap.

 

Aww, congratulations!!! Hopefully, there's a happy ending for me too. I guess we'll see.

 

Thank you so much for posting to this. It means a lot to talk to you. As weird as that sounds. And it leaves me kind of hopeful that things will be okay for me too.

[underpants]

He actually reminds me of an uglier and more boring version (if that's possible) of John Tesh. :sick:

 

 

Stab him with your steely knife.

[tinktronik]

 

Stab him with your steely knife.

 

OMG :lmao:

Oh dear. What a day.

[Touche]

 

Stab him with your steely knife.

 

I mean come ON! You're talking about you "can't believe it's not butter?" I can't believe it's not a real man. Who fights over this? He's margarine in my world.

[underpants]

If I was obsessive and wanted to invest in the ink.

 

I would print out pictures of DG and go to the grocery store and tape his image to margarine buckets.

 

However, typing this gave me all the closure I needed. Besides he is not worth the ink investment.

[Lookingforward]

I mean come ON! You're talking about you "can't believe it's not butter?" I can't believe it's not a real man. Who fights over this? He's margarine in my world.

 

well to quote cher..."women fight over nothing, then marry him"

[Ariadne]

Well,

 

I told him, while asking him to get me off his webpage because you won't believe we're not involved anymore, "You were the one who wanted to bait the crazy lady again. If she shoots someone, this time it can be you or f-in Darlene."

 

Notice how she made him remove the link to her page because "I didn't believe her," and see how she twisted the whole thing like is my fault.

 

(plus adding the fact that I may become violent with him or some sht)

 

And then:

 

Up until this morning, when I found out he was contacting A again, I thought "Well, he's a nice guy with some problems and things just didn't work out. No big hurry moving out.... And then I found out he'd gone right back to A for ego stroking...

 

And notice how she twisted the whole thing like is my fault that she is going to move out of the house, too. Now the break up is because of me.

[underpants]

Well,

 

I told him, while asking him to get me off his webpage because you won't believe we're not involved anymore, "You were the one who wanted to bait the crazy lady again. If she shoots someone, this time it can be you or f-in Darlene."

 

Notice how she made him remove the link to her page because "I didn't believe her," and see how she twisted the whole thing like is my fault.

 

(plus adding the fact that I may become violent with him or some sht)

 

And then:

 

Up until this morning, when I found out he was contacting A again, I thought "Well, he's a nice guy with some problems and things just didn't work out. No big hurry moving out.... And then I found out he'd gone right back to A for ego stroking...

 

And notice how she twisted the whole thing like is my fault that she is going to move out of the house, too. Now the break up is because of me.

 

No.

 

That is your perception because you are invested. Honestly A, I think you would twist any occurrance to suit your projected fantasy. At some point you are going to have to administer CPR to this fantasy. You have so many souls wanting you to let go and get help and get better. It would be sad if you clung to the (fantasy) of one person who clearly doesn't want that for you.

 

She is just recognizing what she needs to recognize to make peace with her decision and feel okay about severing ties with a long term relationship. It is no reflection on you. This is her exit.

[DollGirlfriend]

Notice how she made him remove the link to her page because "I didn't believe her," and see how she twisted the whole thing like is my fault.

 

No, I wanted off his webpage as soon as it was pointed out that he was still on mine. I had totally forgotten, and realized I didn't want to be on his either.

 

I just said you wouldn't take it as proof that we are no longer together. Not that it was your fault. I don't WANT to be on his page. This is a good thing.

 

(plus adding the fact that I may become violent with him or some sht)

 

No, but if you think someone is in your way to getting to DG, it isn't me this time. I don't want to be put in that role, whether you're in his back yard with binoculars or a rifle. Either way. I am not involved with him.

 

And notice how she twisted the whole thing like is my fault that she is going to move out of the house, too. Now the break up is because of me.

 

Uh, no. The breakup is because of Darlene. It has nothing to do with you at all. His callous attitude towards you, not caring that he's destroyed your life with his games before (how many jobs have you lost because you spent all your time emailing him and looking at his picture?), just made me realize I was giving him too much credit and that I need to get out of here a lot quicker than I thought.

 

But no, you had nothing to do with it falling apart. Sorry.

[Citizen Erased]

Wow, what a read.

 

Ok, first to doll...you really need to show some class and take down the pics of A. I can totally understand why you did it but you need to take them down. Seriously.

 

You seem like a reasonable woman. So please do the right thing.

 

As for DG. I just don't get it. I agree with the NPD assessment. No question. Plus, no offense to some of you ladies but he's.... He looks like Frankenstein to me. And I've told A that before. He doesn't remind me of that Fabio guy at all. He actually reminds me of an uglier and more boring version (if that's possible) of John Tesh. :sick:

 

He's full of himself and only about himself. He doesn't give a crap about who he hurts. He's disgusting. He's not a real man. His web site and his stupid videos are laughable and very self-indulgent.

 

Frankly, and no offense to some of you ladies, I question anyone who would be attracted to the man.

 

He's a phony. And any real woman would see right through this type in a new york minute.

 

He's gross. I wouldn't even give him a minute of my time.

 

Sorry, A. You know I love you but you can surely do better than this animal.

 

He's a poser if I ever saw one.

 

+1,000,000 to this!

 

I think everyone concerned could do with a dose of your good sense Touche.

[Touche]

If I was obsessive and wanted to invest in the ink.

 

I would print out pictures of DG and go to the grocery store and tape his image to margarine buckets.

However, typing this gave me all the closure I needed. Besides he is not worth the ink investment.

 

:lmao: Too effing funny! Besides, who would buy margarine with DG's pic on it? If I were to buy margarine I'd want something that would make me want to eat it, you know.

 

Ok, this I don't get:

 

well to quote cher..."women fight over nothing, then marry him"

 

What does that mean, Looking? I've never fought over a man in my life. Do women really do that? Wow.

[johan]

I find this thread to be dark and depressing. Ariadne is unhelpable. Anyone who thinks they can help by reasoning with her has not really read what she has written. Unless you have some very strong ropes and you're nearby her, the only help you can really provide is prayer. And I honestly suggest that.

 

Continuing to post on this thread really only serves to fan the flames and keep the obsession alive. You're becoming part of the problem. I seriously recommend that anyone who actually cares should just back off and let nature take its course. Whether you think that outcome is desirable or not should be a concern, but is secondary to the fact that there is nothing you can actually do except to help accelerate it.

[DollGirlfriend]

This is her exit.

 

Indeed.

 

I should go to bed. I will be well enough for work tomorrow. I won't be able to answer the phone (no voice) but I'll be there.

 

Thanks for letting me come hang out on your forum, you guys. This really was exactly what I needed.

 

OHWL, feel free to email me if you like. Heck, any of you that would like to email me, go ahead. Some of you already have. I can't imagine I'll be back here. I'm done with romance, and in no need of romantic or relationship advice. So there you go.

 

It's been fun. Thanks again.

 

Bye, all y'all!

 

Wendy