Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 Would you like to get over him, if you could? No, not really. Because I truly believe that we are soulmates, and I respect that a great deal. Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Ariadne, Where is your Mother right now ?.... Is she with you ? Your Mother would be a good person to talk with this about.. Link to post Share on other sites
melodymatters Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Would you like to get over him, if you could? Thats a great question ! Ariadne, if I could give you a magic pill, and once you'd swallowed it, your feelings about Denver guy would dissapear, would you take it ? If not, then you KNOW that this fantasy gives your life some meaning, which is fine, but perhaps, just MAYBE, you could find something or someone ELSE to give your life this meaning, and they might even reciprocate ? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 Ariadne, Where is your Mother right now ?.... Is she with you ? Your Mother would be a good person to talk with this about.. Argh, my mother doesn't want to hear about DG since ages ago. That is like taboo topic. She just gets upset and cuts me off. Other than that, she only wants to hear about how great I'm doing at work (that I hate) how my son is doing in school (dropout), and how I'm looking (I gained weight). So, that's about it. But I do have nice chats with her when she tells me about the things that she has done. Like taking classes, going to teas, fashion shows, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
DollGirlfriend Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Wendy, Just one question which of course you needn't answer if you don't want to. Why did you post those private pictures of Ariadne on the Net? It wasn't a nice thing to do. You could have let the police deal with the matter. Hi Marlena, Nope, I don't mind answering. I am not apologetic for what I did, and the pictures are still on the web, just without her name attached. As far as the police go, no they couldn't help really. They can't make someone stop emailing you, and they don't take female stalking male cases very seriously (in spite of "Fatal Attraction" apparently), especially in the case of someone like DG who is huge. I got involved with the stalker thing, not because of A but because of the OTHER stalker (there's a handful). The police take it MUCH more seriously if a woman reports it, but they still can't do anything until they are on your property. Anyway, what A has neglected to mention is that I asked her repeatedly to stop emailing us (DG and myself). Being new to dealing with stalkers, I didn't understand what a mistake I was making taking it all on myself (my fault. Asking her not to contact him. I took all the blame.) and how much HE was enjoying being the victim of the horrible woman who wouldn't let his dearest email him. (shaking head) Well, hindsight. After asking her repeatedly (and her rather vicious troll friend, Wili, who was ALSO attacking me, anonymously... or so she thought) I warned her exactly what I would do. Any further communication gives me the right to do whatever I wish with any and all emails from you, your friend, past and present. She and her friend laughed me off (I'll find the emails if you want), and said "What are you going to do? There's nothing you can do to us!". And I tacked her name to the naked pictures she'd send DG, and tacked a name to the words of her vicious troll friend. Then they weren't laughing anymore. I told her that if she ceased contact with us, I would remove her name from them and get them taken out of Google. She did and I did. There was no threat of legal action on either side. So the pictures remain, but without her name. And that's the best I will do. I know that you don't know me, and you all know A and so it's probably hard to understand. But it was a really very frightening time. I imagine you all know her as harmless, but I didn't. Her "friends" were emailing me telling me she'd had fantasies of shooting me to get me out of the way. I took them seriously and dealt with them the best way I could come up with at the time. Frequently, if you make people responsible for their actions on the web, they'll stop. We hide behind anonymity to do horrible things here sometimes. (shrug) Anyway, I wasn't going to go into it, but since you asked, there you go. No, it wasn't nice. But it was the best I could come up with at the time. Wendy Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 Thats a great question ! Ariadne, if I could give you a magic pill, and once you'd swallowed it, your feelings about Denver guy would dissapear, would you take it ? If not, then you KNOW that this fantasy gives your life some meaning, which is fine, but perhaps, just MAYBE, you could find something or someone ELSE to give your life this meaning, and they might even reciprocate ? Thanks. But no, I wouldn't take it. These are things that have to work out by themselves, with no intervention. And I don't care about any other guy after I met Denver guy. Men died for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Kasan Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 So the pictures remain, but without her name. And that's the best I will do. If you aren't with DG anymore and Ariadne isn't a threat to you why not take the pictures off the website? She isn't a threat to you anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Yes, in my fantasy, Denver guy loves me even "more" than I love him. :love: But in real life he doesn't feel this way. Only his ego does and ego feed is NOT love. He is the most faithful person one could ever ask for. How so? You mean in your fantasies or real life? That is like taboo topic. She just gets upset and cuts me off. And why do you think your mom feels this way? Could it be because she sees that you're obsessed with DG and everything that you feel is all based on your fantasies, not real life? Link to post Share on other sites
DollGirlfriend Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 If you aren't with DG anymore and Ariadne isn't a threat to you why not take the pictures off the website? She isn't a threat to you anymore. Because the webpage they're attached to has taken on this whole weird life of its own. I wrote it as kind of a humor piece, though all the examples of stalker behavior are real, along the lines of "You might be a redneck" only for stalkers. I have gotten so many emails from people who stumbled across that site and really appreciated it was there. Not that there were naked pictures of A there, but that 1) someone had come up with a way to stand up to these crazy women and 2) that someone was talking about men getting stalked by women. It's not a popular subject and most people blow it off. Even the county police here found it and told me they thought that was a pretty creative way to deal with stalkers. Restraining orders don't help. (As the police told me, "nothing says 'I love you like a restraining order'") but sometimes making people look silly for their so called passionate, stalking behavior, especially ones on the web who like the attention, sometimes that can help. (shrug) Anyway, because it has become kind of a comforting place for other people being stalked by crazy women, it remains, as it was when I first put it up. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 But in real life he doesn't feel this way. Only his ego does and ego feed is NOT love. I'd even venture to say that guy is beyond the ego. In a spiritual sense. How so? You mean in your fantasies or real life? Well, he had all the chances to have sex with me (or the lawyer) and he didn't because he was waiting for his ex. And why do you think your mom feels this way? Could it be because she sees that you're obsessed with DG and everything that you feel is all based on your fantasies, not real life? She just thinks that DG is irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites
Kasan Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Because the webpage they're attached to has taken on this whole weird life of its own. I wrote it as kind of a humor piece, though all the examples of stalker behavior are real, along the lines of "You might be a redneck" only for stalkers. I have gotten so many emails from people who stumbled across that site and really appreciated it was there. Not that there were naked pictures of A there, but that 1) someone had come up with a way to stand up to these crazy women and 2) that someone was talking about men getting stalked by women. It's not a popular subject and most people blow it off. Even the county police here found it and told me they thought that was a pretty creative way to deal with stalkers. Restraining orders don't help. (As the police told me, "nothing says 'I love you like a restraining order'") but sometimes making people look silly for their so called passionate, stalking behavior, especially ones on the web who like the attention, sometimes that can help. (shrug) Anyway, because it has become kind of a comforting place for other people being stalked by crazy women, it remains, as it was when I first put it up. So you continue to humiliate a woman who isn't a threat to you. Posting her pictures on your site as a way to make her look silly is cruel given the fact that she is no longer an issue in your life. Just sayin.............. Link to post Share on other sites
Kasan Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 She just thinks that DG is irrelevant. Why would your mother feel this way? Link to post Share on other sites
whichwayisup Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 I'd even venture to say that guy is beyond the ego. In a spiritual sense. A, this is where your fantasy thoughts are mixing up reality of what really IS. Even his exgf has told you - You're an ego feed and he is just enjoying messing with your head. This is NOT spirtual. Spirtual isn't malcious, cruel or selfish...Spirtual is loving, giving and sharing...And he's done NONE of that with you!! Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 Why would your mother feel this way? Because she says that "nothing happened" and that he never loved me and that it was so long ago it's history. Link to post Share on other sites
DollGirlfriend Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 So you continue to humiliate a woman who isn't a threat to you. Posting her pictures on your site as a way to make her look silly is cruel given the fact that she is no longer an issue in your life. Just sayin.............. It is what it is. I blacked out the eyes and the "parts", and that's the best I will do. You don't know what that time was like. Until you have someone who may or may not be unstable enough to shoot you standing in your back yard you never will, and I hope that is an experience you never have. I would be a lot more sympathetic if she and her friends (including DG, bastard) hadn't caused me one of the most traumatic, stressful times of my life. I have made the best decisions I can, and the page remains. We will just have to disagree on the appropriateness of the inclusion of her pictures. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 A, this is where your fantasy thoughts are mixing up reality of what really IS. Even his exgf has told you - You're an ego feed and he is just enjoying messing with your head. This is NOT spirtual. Spirtual isn't malcious, cruel or selfish...Spirtual is loving, giving and sharing...And he's done NONE of that with you!! No. The one that is not spiritual is the gf. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Thanks. But no, I wouldn't take it. These are things that have to work out by themselves, with no intervention. Some things can't just work out without intervention, Ariadne. Imagine that you're trapped in a dark hole with no apparent means of escape. And you decide "well, it's not so bad in here as long as I just shut my eyes and dream." Meantime people are trying to hand down tools to you. A torch. A ladder. They shout at you to use these things to help yourself out of the hole...but because you're so resigned to staying in that place, you've convinced yourself that you actually quite enjoy it down there. You can't even remember what life's like outside it. You don't trust the torch or the ladder to work properly, and you're afraid of what might happen if you try to use them. I'm sure you're aware that I'm using torch and ladder as metaphors for the professional help you're resistant to. But it really doesn't sound as though things are going to just work out on their own, Ariadne. What if Denver Guy told you to get professional help? Would you try it then? Link to post Share on other sites
Kasan Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Because she says that "nothing happened" and that he never loved me and that it was so long ago it's history. How would your mother get this idea? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 What if Denver Guy told you to get professional help? Would you try it then? The problem I see here is that nobody gets Denver guy. He is the most open minded being, full of love and light. That's Denver guy. But most people misinterpret that. No, he wouldn't tell me to get professional help. But he'd be there to listen. Link to post Share on other sites
DollGirlfriend Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 A, this is where your fantasy thoughts are mixing up reality of what really IS. Even his exgf has told you - You're an ego feed and he is just enjoying messing with your head. This is NOT spirtual. Spirtual isn't malcious, cruel or selfish...Spirtual is loving, giving and sharing...And he's done NONE of that with you!! No. The one that is not spiritual is the gf. Could be, though the idea of DG as not having an ego is beyond funny to me. But okay, maybe it's me. Maybe I bring out the ego in him? I dunno. All I know is that you're not going to believe anyone about him until you see it for yourself. He's not going to invite you out. Not right now. Not with the other girlfriend already living in the house, and D will FREAK if you're both here. So you're just going to have to forcibly move yourself in, just like D did, just like L did. Just like everyone but I have. He must like it, if he keeps letting it happen. (shrug) Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 So you're just going to have to forcibly move yourself in, just like D did, just like L did. Just like everyone but I have. No, I'm not going to forcibly move myself anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 But he'd be there to listen. When in the last 2 years has he been there to listen to you ?.. or even been there for you while you have been altering your life for him... Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 No, I'm not going to forcibly move myself anywhere. Good for you Ariadne... Keep your life, child and job where they are.. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ariadne Posted June 19, 2008 Author Share Posted June 19, 2008 When in the last 2 years has he been there to listen to you ?.. or even been there for you while you have been altering your life for him... Well, he had things to do. He was in his path. I don't question that. Link to post Share on other sites
Kasan Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 The problem I see here is that nobody gets Denver guy. He is the most open minded being, full of love and light. That's Denver guy. But most people misinterpret that. No, he wouldn't tell me to get professional help. But he'd be there to listen. If DG was your "soul mate" he would want you to be happy. If he truly listened to you then he would tell you that it can never, never be. If DG was your friend, with "his open mind full of love and light" he would not want you to pine away for something that could never happen. He would want you to live a life full of joy and love. He would want you to move on............... Link to post Share on other sites
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