Why berate Christians?

[fral945]

When I was in high school, it annoyed me to no end to have say a prayer. I mumbled through it, but it honestly pissed me off. Admittedly, it was the indignation and response of a 14 yo.

 

The thing about NOT saying a prayer is... it ONLY bothers you because you can't now. It's the CHANGE that bothers you. Do you say a prayer before you get in your car to drive to work? Probably not, and you're probably not bothered by this either.

 

From what I understand, you can say a personal prayer. Nobodies stopping you. Why force it on people like me? That's what it felt like when I was in high school. I'd look around and ask myself, "who are all these freakin idiots?" I don't feel that way now, but you know how kids can be. I was born and raised in the south, BTW.

 

You may not have any atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, whatever, in your community now, but it's conceivable you might at one point in the future. You may also have kids like me, born and raised in the South (and fully indoctrinated in all it's absurdity), and they just haven't spoken up. I never spoke up.

 

lol, I'll admit that annoyed me to, though I was sent to Catholic school thru 8th grade, so I had no choice but to endure it. I grew up in the South too, but was never was forced to pray once I got into high school (which was public and not private). Did you attend a public high school?

 

I guess for me actions are more important than words. As long as I'm not required to say a prayer, they can pray, chant, or do whatever floats their boat.

[Mahatma]

Religion does NOT only affect the person who believes. I am always getting bombarded by friends who want to "save" me. Look in some history books, people who have religion think they are right and everyone else is wrong so they must change that person's mind, even if it means war and killing the non-believers. Thats why things get heated. Both sides believe they are right.

[Haloandhorns85]

I can't help but notice that even your username suggests a conflict of interests OP.

 

 

It's a screenname. I didn't say I was perfect.

 

Besides, isn't that a really petty remark?

[Sks]

Nice troll, but I'm not going to bite. Sorry.

 

Cheers,

D.

 

More like the truth, the whole Middle East is a joke.

[Haloandhorns85]

I honestly didn't expect such an angry, hate filled response. I can't speak for your fellow Christians on here, but if they respond in such an inflammatory way as you responded to me, I can understand why people on here are getting under your skin. You're not exactly a good representative of the Christian faith.

 

You know nothing about me therefore your assumptions have no basis other than my post that seemed to get "under your skin". And Christians are allowed to feel frustration and anger just like the rest of humanity. No one is perfect. Everyone is a sinner. And FYI, I am a good Christian. I have a good relationship with my Lord, and really, that's what matters in being "a good representative of the Christian faith". That little remark right there shows your ignorance in the Christian faith. Besides, who cares if you think I'm a bad Christian? That's not what this thread was started for.

[Haloandhorns85]

When I was in high school, it annoyed me to no end to have say a prayer. I mumbled through it, but it honestly pissed me off. Admittedly, it was the indignation and response of a 14 yo.

 

The thing about NOT saying a prayer is... it ONLY bothers you because you can't now. It's the CHANGE that bothers you. Do you say a prayer before you get in your car to drive to work? Probably not, and you're probably not bothered by this either.

 

From what I understand, you can say a personal prayer. Nobodies stopping you. Why force it on people like me? That's what it felt like when I was in high school. I'd look around and ask myself, "who are all these freakin idiots?" I don't feel that way now, but you know how kids can be. I was born and raised in the south, BTW.

 

You may not have any atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus, whatever, in your community now, but it's conceivable you might at one point in the future. You may also have kids like me, born and raised in the South (and fully indoctrinated in all it's absurdity), and they just haven't spoken up. I never spoke up.

 

 

I was simply pointing out that religion has not been on the rise like the poster I replied to was saying. I didn't grow up saying prayer in school, but my mother did. That's all I was pointing out. I'm not afraid of change...that's just an ignorant assumption. People act like religion has taken over society when in reality, it's been taken out of public view in so many ways.

[FleshNBones]

Because of the rise of the religious in America. I can't speak on what it is like in other countries but for the past 35 years the religious has hijacked politics and used religion as a club to beat anybody they consider to be outside of their narrow view of what the mainstream. They have used the bible as a tool to demonize gay people and against abortion and many people are just sick of it. I don't think that all christians should be put in this group though because the civil rights and abolitionist movements were started in the churches and many religious organizations do plenty of good. Without the religious right there would not be the backlash against religion that we have today.

It goes back to WW2.

Believe it or not, the Nazis also killed off inferior people in addition to the Jews. This included retarded and disabled people. The Catholic church did nothing about the genocide or the slaughter of the weak.

Since then, they have become much more active on social issues especially abortion.

[FleshNBones]

And then go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_christianity

This is a page about the history of Christianity, where you will read about how Christianity generally succeeded in taking over several governmental systems. You will also find that Christians are, historically, the most bloodthirsty/violent/destructive/murderous religion that has ever existed.

 

The More You Know! ©

Just skimming through it, I got the impression that it was a fair and honest article.

Did you make any contributions?

[sb129]

It's a screenname. I didn't say I was perfect.

 

Besides, isn't that a really petty remark?

 

No, its an observation.

[Geishawhelk]

...And Christians are allowed to feel frustration and anger just like the rest of humanity. No one is perfect. Everyone is a sinner. And FYI, I am a good Christian. I have a good relationship with my Lord, and really, that's what matters in being "a good representative of the Christian faith". That little remark right there shows your ignorance in the Christian faith. Besides, who cares if you think I'm a bad Christian? That's not what this thread was started for.

 

And that shows a callous disregard for the feelings of others.

I was a Practising Roman Catholic Christian for over 40 years.

I am now a Buddhist.

In both cases, I learnt - and am still learning - that we are owners of our reactions and responses, and we are responsible for how things affect us, and we are wholly responsible for the way we decide to inter-act with others.

Of course we feel frustration and anger. Of course we feel stressed and despondent. Of course we are subject to every emotion under the sun. The big thing is, how we manifest it.

It is beneath us, as civilised and serious practitioners to pass those emotions on to others, when what we should be doing is feeling the experience and working to transcend such basic states.

Remember the lesson of turning the other cheek? It's not just a one off you know.

If we accept a certain standard of literal teaching, then it is up to us to accept it 100%, and to live it 100% of the time. Or else, we cannot call ourselves "practising" anything.....

 

That you are a good christian is not for you to say. It is for others to evaluate your ability to practise what you are supposed to be learning.

And what you are supposed to be learning is to be a Christ-ian. Just as what I am daily learning is to be a Buddhist.

 

And before you tell me that Christ lost his temper with the traders and merchants in the grounds of the temple, I will tell you this:

If in all his 30+ years, that is the only account of his losing his temper, he hasn't done too badly.

We need to strive to do likewise.

 

 

 

With much metta to all.

 

GW

[sb129]

More like the truth, the whole Middle East is a joke.

 

Actually, much of the Middle East is very beautiful, and a great holiday destination.

 

Some Middle Eastern cities are among the cleanest, most organised and sophisticated cities I have ever been to.

[electric_sheep]

Geishawhelk, you're awesome!

[sb129]

Thats not the Middle East, thats tourist attractions. Many Muslims loathe you, your freedom and your lack of worship to Islam.

 

Many wouldn't have a problem cutting your hands off if they weren't getting your money.

 

As they say, you will convert or die........

 

Been there, have you?

[I Luv the Chariot OH]

Wow, I had no idea blatant, ignorant racism was tolerated at ls! The More You Know.

[Geishawhelk]

Geishawhelk, you're awesome!

 

No, really, I'm not.

 

But when a thread is titled "Why berate Christians?", comments like the ones Haloandhorns85 made, give us a plain and simple answers why. And that's a crying shame....

 

Attitude begets attitude. So if you give it out, don't be surprised if it rebounds and smacks you in the chin.

[Sks]

Been there, have you?

 

I don't need to, I think that the story about the Saudi female who had been gang raped and sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in jail speaks for it self.

 

Only after international coverage did they pardon her.

[Geishawhelk]

I think we're getting off-topic, here...

 

The original question was "Why berate Christians?"

 

Could we please get back to the question... ?

 

Ortherwise I can see this thread being closed or heavily clipped......

[I Luv the Chariot OH]

But when a thread is titled "Why berate Christians?", comments like the ones Haloandhorns85 made, give us a plain and simple answers why. And that's a crying shame....

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

Q. Why berate Christians?

 

A. "Just as your lack of religious belief affects us. At football games, in a community where no one has an objection to saying a prayer before the game, we are now not allowed to do so by law. Also, it is now politically incorrect to tell a fellow Christian in public Merry Christmas...now the "right" thing to say is "Season's Greetings". In a country where majority is suppose to rule (um, isn't that how voting and democracy works?), it seems the minority has taken over. Careful not to offend the minority! Oh No! It's just so horrible! But its perfectly ok for the minority to offend the majority?" - haloandhorns85

 

"Who is the one suicide bombing people? Its not Christians. / The Muslim religion is 800 years behind Christianity, look at the culture that endorses it. / As much as people go on about equality, Christianity is superior Islam any day of the week, at least at this point in time." - sks

 

"Who is the one suicide bombing people? Its not Christians. / The Muslim religion is 800 years behind Christianity, look at the culture that endorses it. / As much as people go on about equality, Christianity is superior Islam any day of the week, at least at this point in time." - sks

 

In short, because while I'm sure intelligent, open-minded, non-self-righteous Christians exist, they are far, far too rare.

[Sks]

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

Q. Why berate Christians?

 

A. "Just as your lack of religious belief affects us. At football games, in a community where no one has an objection to saying a prayer before the game, we are now not allowed to do so by law. Also, it is now politically incorrect to tell a fellow Christian in public Merry Christmas...now the "right" thing to say is "Season's Greetings". In a country where majority is suppose to rule (um, isn't that how voting and democracy works?), it seems the minority has taken over. Careful not to offend the minority! Oh No! It's just so horrible! But its perfectly ok for the minority to offend the majority?" - haloandhorns85

 

"Who is the one suicide bombing people? Its not Christians. / The Muslim religion is 800 years behind Christianity, look at the culture that endorses it. / As much as people go on about equality, Christianity is superior Islam any day of the week, at least at this point in time." - sks

 

"Who is the one suicide bombing people? Its not Christians. / The Muslim religion is 800 years behind Christianity, look at the culture that endorses it. / As much as people go on about equality, Christianity is superior Islam any day of the week, at least at this point in time." - sks

 

In short, because while I'm sure intelligent, open-minded, non-self-righteous Christians exist, they are far, far too rare.

 

I am an atheist

[sb129]

No, really, I'm not.

 

But when a thread is titled "Why berate Christians?", comments like the ones Haloandhorns85 made, give us a plain and simple answers why. And that's a crying shame....

 

Attitude begets attitude. So if you give it out, don't be surprised if it rebounds and smacks you in the chin.

 

Absolutely.

 

 

In short, because while I'm sure intelligent, open-minded, non-self-righteous Christians exist, they are far, far too rare.

 

This is the quote of the thread.

[Davey McG]

Rape is OK in the Bible:

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

 

Murder is OK under some (read A LOT) of circumstances:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

 

Slavery is OK:

http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

 

The Bible constantly contradicts itself:

http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

 

Many non-christians are worried that if you base your law on this sometimes confusing book that you'll end up with a less than pleasant country. What's more worrying is that many Christians believe that if you don't follow this book, you're hell bound and immoral. This is pretty strange, as many of the acts advocated in the good book aren't very good at all or moral at all.

 

The above site is set-up to discredit the bible, but nothing in it is made up or not present in the bible.

 

Even the devil can quote the bible to his own ends.

[Lovelybird]

Did Jesus Lord do any harm to others? no, what he did were good to people, brought good news to people. YET, people spit on him, beaten him, and finally cruelly killed him. Yet Lord forgave them

 

That is the reality

 

If you conform to this world, then nobody has problem with you, probably will compliment you some. People who don't know Lord, they are in a world full of bitterness and hatred and screwed mindsets, they received those garbages and throw out to others. Christians are supposed to be washed by Lord's love and tender care to overcome those garbages if they stay close to Lord

 

IMO don't care too much what others say, nobody can control other's mouth. at least, you can taste a little how Lord felt at that time and more appreciate what he did for us. see Lord changes and blessing our lives, and answers prayers, that are exciting and good enough for me.

 

Lord said for those who loves him, he will make himself real for them

[FleshNBones]

I believe Islaminc people preserved much of the knowledge lost through the dark ages.

 

The problem in Islam is the fanaticism. It has led to warfare among muslims, and weakening them to foreign conquest. They aren't 800 years behind. They were ahead, and then retrogressed to what they are today. They probably think the success in the west somehow contributes to their decline.

I wonder if having such large families in Europe is part of a grander scheme to displace the white European population.

Maybe the Mexican illegals are trying to expand the borders of Mexico.

Another topic for another day I guess.

 

 

Rape is OK in the Bible:

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

 

Murder is OK under some (read A LOT) of circumstances:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

 

Slavery is OK:

http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

 

The Bible constantly contradicts itself:

http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

 

Many non-christians are worried that if you base your law on this sometimes confusing book that you'll end up with a less than pleasant country. What's more worrying is that many Christians believe that if you don't follow this book, you're hell bound and immoral. This is pretty strange, as many of the acts advocated in the good book aren't very good at all or moral at all.

 

The above site is set-up to discredit the bible, but nothing in it is made up or not present in the bible.

 

Even the devil can quote the bible to his own ends.

I don't remember rape ever being condoned. In the past warfare, the victors would usually plunder, and take the women. I wonder if the the whole bad-boy thing is just the genetic legacy of this practice.

 

Murder is OK in wartime situations, and self-defense.

 

Slavery was legal in the US, and in most of the world until fairly recently. Industrialization made slave labor obsolete.

 

In the past, people were ruled by dictatorship, or whoever was the strongest. I see that kind of tyranny returning if you remove the Christian influences. Perhaps the athiests want their own kind of tyranny.

[disgracian]

I see that kind of tyranny returning if you remove the Christian influences.

Influences such as the divine right of kings? The spreading of their religion across Europe at the point of a sword, across the Americas at the barrel of a gun? The influences that led to the Dark Ages?

Perhaps the athiests want their own kind of tyranny.

What a singularly ironic statement, given that the rise of secular influences overthrew much of the Christian tyranny we suffered under hundreds of years ago.

 

Cheers,

D.

[Sks]

Influences such as the divine right of kings? The spreading of their religion across Europe at the point of a sword, across the Americas at the barrel of a gun? The influences that led to the Dark Ages?

 

What a singularly ironic statement, given that the rise of secular influences overthrew much of the Christian tyranny we suffered under hundreds of years ago.

 

Cheers,

D.

 

But those influences that overthrew Christianity are now pushing their own agenda onto everyone else.

 

I don't like any religion but I recognize Christianity has been one of the main contributers to America remaining stable.

 

When you have one side of fanatics, you need the opposite side to be just as fanatical to push back aginst any encroachment.

 

In the US Christians aren't beating females who got gang raped, can't say the same about Muslim countries.